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CS:GO was up there for a long time. So were games like Skyrim. And many other games. They're popular. So they sell well. For a long time. There's nothing 'shady' about that.
No 'conspiracy' is needed to explain it. It's a popular game that sells well.
No 'proof' has been given that the spot is 'bought out'. Only red herrings and anomaly hunting. Those are not 'proof' of anything. It's pure circular reasoning. It's bought out. How do you know. Because it's on top. Why is it on top, because its bought out. And non sequitors such as 'treating customers badly' == buying out slot in top 10. Those are totally unrelated things even if you accept the former is true, it does not mean the latter is.
I've given you strict salient reason why it CAN and DOES happen.
I pointed you towards the music charts where records had done similarly despite any conspiracy theory.
I gave you clear reasons WHY the market can do this,based upon it's obscene popularity in the LARGEST sales region on Steam.
The point is simply this - YOU are ignoring possibility and denying it.
There is no conspiracy unless YOU provide some evidence for it. The onus is ALWAYS on the poisitive claimant to provide evidence, Just saying "it's impossible" is NOT evidence - all it shows is your lack of understanding of the situation.
And lastly, saying "it's bought out" has been pointed out to time and again to be a situation that is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE - there is no purpose in "buying" such a slot.
Lol.
That would only add to the tinfoil-hattedness of the situation if someone got reprimanded for this.
"Look, see, it's a conspiracy - they got the mods to silence me".
As long as we're civil, I hope we can make sure the situation stays clear enough so that won't be a problem :)
Still, I guess we'll see...
Here are the facts about STEAM and Sales to population ratios..
DayZ is the ONLY game in Steam's history to spend 10 months in the top 10 sales list with a significant portian of that in the first 6 months within the top 3 slots. No other game has EVER held the top 3 slots as long as DayZ. (at least 6+ months)
No game on Steam has dropped in player population while STILL being in the top 10 sellers other then DayZ. Games often drop population when falling out of the top ten sellers after their first month of release but NEVER EVER when they are still in the top 3. DAYZ lost population while still in the top 3.
DayZ has managed to lose 20% population in just one month despite being in the top 10 sellers.
There are many games on steam that cost more then DayZ, haven't sold as many copies as dayZ but have higher player populations. There are many games on Steam that SELL worse then dayZ yet have significantly higher player populations. (in comparison to their pricing to Days.
There are strictly single player games on steam with higher player populations then Dayz. Muiltiplayer games in general tend to have more people online. DayZ has never reached 40,000 players online despite 10 months of record breaking Steam Rankings. Shadows of Mordor (A single player game) broke 40,000 players in just one month.
Games that sell in their millions such as Dayz often have populations far exceeeding 50,000 players online yet DayZ bucks that trend with much lower populations.
Steam/Valve NEVER release sales figures. They have yet to explain why they don't release sales figures but see fit to list 10 ten sellers.
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Now here's my OPINION on these facts and the reasons that could be explantion for the numbers that don't add up.
The sales figures are true and millions of people have bought DAYZ with thousands more buying it weekly in the belief that DAyZ is a great game then trying it and within 10 mins uninstalling it because they think its bad.
The problem with that theory though is alot of games sell on word of month. If DAYZ is so crappy that it drives millions never to play it again why haven't sales dropped due to bad word of month? DAYZ is so bad that 99.9% of the people buying it can't stand playing it for at all? but they recommend it to everyone so they end up buying it too?
The Top 10 Sales list is borked/glitched/bugged and sales from months ago or a games first week/month still count towards your top 10 ranking.
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Some other bug/glitch borks the 10 ten sellers list causing it to be inaccurate in certain cases.
A deal was done to keep DayZ on the front page or advertised as a top 10 game. It has happened before in the games industry. Game shops use to rig their top ten sellers list in their stores to try sell more of that game by duping people into thinking its good.
Why does Steam/Valve never release sales figures but see fit to release a 10 ten sellers list?
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Now personally I believe the 10 ten sellers list isn't accurate at all in regards to Dayz based on all the facts of the situration although I conceed I could be wrong. The truth could be the sales figures may be true but Dayz is such a bad game that 99% of the people buying it hate it or can't stand playing it yet tell all their friends to buy it regardless.
Oh but music charts DO share similarities that I've detailed. You can't just stick your fingers in your ears and say "nope". By all means counter my points.
Again, your assumptions are flawed, and it seems quite clear you haven't even read my points which counteresd this some time ago. You're wrongly assuming that people are uninstalling it.
I'll reiterate for your that CIS is the LARGEST region for Steam now - not America, not Europe, not Asia. As the game is MASSIVELY popular over there, when you add that to it being popular elsewhere, you have a perfect example for hitting the top of the charts and staying there.
Furthermore, games DO tend to spend longer at the top of the charts so this is far from unprecendented. Skyrim was there on and off for some time, as were Portal 2 and others.
Lastly, as I've said already, MANY people on Steam buy games and sit on them. I've already detailed that out of the (as of March) 75,000,000 active accounts being in evidence, only 5,000,000 are being used at any given time, sometimes less. It's not difficult to see how the "owned to playing" ratio is as you've claimed.
There is another very salient point which you've failed to account for - that DayZ is Early Access. PLENTY of people buy Early Access games SPECIFICALLY to put them aside for later use. They want to buy it now, cheaper, and play when it's a decent way down the development path.
So, I reiterate again, you're not viewing all the possibilities, and your claims STILL do not demonstrate a shred of evidence of fraud.
I note you avoid my question yet again - WHAT PURPOSE THEY GET OUT OF THIS? WHY WOULD THEY "BUY" A SLOT AT THE TOP OF THESE CHARTS WHEN IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE TO SALES?
1. Buying a slot on the front page increases sales.
2. A Game store putting a game in the top 10 increases sales.
3. Games companys routenly spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on advertising and premoting their game. That is a FACT
4. Famous utubers do paid promotions for games fairly often.
5. Gaming review sites do paid promotions.
6. Game stores do paid promotions.
7. I have known brick and mortar GAME stores here to put games in their top ten sales that don't belong there as part of a promotion for that game. So yes it does happen!
8. Deals are done all the time in the gaming industry that break our trust in gaming sites. WB did a deal with a bunch of sites saying that games reviewers could not get a early review copy Shadows of Mordor without agreeing to premote it. That happens constantly.
9. Famous utubers do paid promotions for games fairly often.
What part of the above examples don't you understand?
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Music sales have NOTHING to do with Steam sales. You can't view the population of people currently playing music and music sales figures are openly reported on. Your comparing apples and oranges.
Steam/Valve refuse to say what the sales figures for the games on their store. They have been interviewed on the topic and said they refuse to give out numbers. Why would they refuse? Don't you think listing how many copes games are selling would increase sales? Unless of course the top sellers lists are NOT strictly based on sales but just as a way for Steam/Valve to premote whatever games they wish too if they so choose or if a games companys wants to do a deal.
All people sit on full release games and early access games but despite this games that sell like DayZ has do have much higher online populations regardless. This includes early access games. No game has came close to holding the 10 ten sales position DayZ has on Steams store. Not even Skyrim held the top spot that long.
The fact is DayZ is the biggest selling game on Steam for all time if we trust the top ten sales rankings over the last 10 months. Despite this its online population is low, has never peaked past 40,000 and is dropping all the time.
You really think its more likely that millions of people are buying Dayz just to sit on it till release day 2 or 3 years from now? Really?
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There are many shady deals and promotions done about behind closed doors that no one would even know about without the storys being LEAKED or EXPOSED to gamers by famous utubers and sites.
Would we ever had known that WB was telling review sites that they only get a early review copy of Shadows of Mordor if you promote their game unless famous utubers who tried to get a copy exposed this shady practice? HELL NO! and I bet no one would believe WB and the sites were pulling this crap without the utubers exposing it in the first place.
No one ever believes stuff like this is going on in the gaming industry till someone respected or at least well known exposes it. I'm not saying its happening with DAYZ but no one can tell us it can't happen or isn't happening without solid proof it isn't. Not in this era of gaming with all the curruption thats going on.
My personal opinion is I don't believe DayZ's position in the top ten sales over the last 10 months was accurate based on Dayz's population figures. Feel free to have your opinion disgreeing with me but don't tell me it can't happen.
Other supposed 'shady deals' ARE NOT PROOF that the DayZ being in the top 10 is a shady deal
You ahve to PROVE that the deal exists. Which you have not done. You've only been putting out red herrings which are not proof that said deal exists. Especially when all your 'proof' have utterly reasonable explanations that don't require the massive assumpiton that payment of the top 10 spot. Especially when other MUCH BIGGER companies with marketing budgets the size of small nations could easily out pay Bohemia Interactive for the top 10 spot. Yet magically this hasn't happend. Is Bohemia Interactive some special company.
if its money steam would be taking money from EVERYONE for the top 10. In which case bohemia woudl easily lose out on the 'bidding war' for that. Your supposed conspiracy requires that a tiny publishing company can somehow out maneouver the marketing budgets of the biggest publishers in the world. 2K, Sega, Bethesda, Take2, Activision, etc. Apparently none of these bohemoths have done so. Why wouldn't Activision do it? Pump up the sales of CoD:Ghosts. They coudl dump the TV budget for the next CoD into Valve and buy up the #1 spot for the next DECADE. But no apparently Bohemia is outbidding all of them?
REALLY?
Your entire premise falls on its face because the model is unsustainable and is internally inconsistent.
One can disagree with your opinion, since it is not based on facts or reality in any way shape or form. Feel free to delude yourself and pretend your 'theories' are correct. They aren't. Your biases simply blind you to that. Your 'personal opinion' isnt worht the electrons it was used to transmit them.
And again, you've not taken the variables that ARE possible over the favour of YOUR premise you've demonstrated NOTHING for.
I admit my request for you to demonstrate the buying of a place on that list is rhetorical as you won't be able to demonstrate it. The simple fact remains that even if you could, the simple means of OTHER promotion, such as front page promotion, or other advert is MORE effective.
Now, please start demonstrating some evidnce or there's really no reason to continue further.
amm.... do you see my profile? Check how many trades I've done (and these doesn't include outside trades). Then check how many games I've in my inventory (these games are for trading).
Trading games is kinda my hobby. Which gives me a very clear picture of which games are on demand & which aren't. And to avoid loosing money, I've to asses which games will be on demand throughout the year, how many times they may go on sale, how lower they will go etc....
And guess what? The games that Steam shows in top seller's list happen to be the same games people ask me most frequently for trade.
Is that evidence enough for you?