Trend of unfinished games

[Zoltan]

Its very rare to see a finished game. Some games look like they are finished but they are not. If we divide games in to "start", "Mid game" and "End game" you will notice trend to. I think reviews need to tackle these different parts of the games more.

"Start": For most games most of the game is found here. There may be a tease and a grind to open new aspects of the game which if fine. Its always fun to think about the game your playing developing into something for fun and less redundant. The trend is if devs think this part of the game is good enough that its almost finished even though its really only one third of the way.

"Mid Game": The trend is that this part of the game often becomes very redundant and this is where most game lose their players or they lose interest. The developer may have had plans for this section but did not have enough time to implement them all. Pressure from the financial end also contributes to the not spending much time on this. Maybe too much time was spent on the start game and not enough here. Mid games should be designed to maintain player interest so they can progress to the end game. This part of the game tends to get very buggy.

"End game": many games are deliberately not finished here. Some games rush these and you feel like you were just starting a game that was getting interesting and suddenly its finished. Other games may delay the end by giving you a sense of eternal grind. We get the feeling here that not a lot of effort was made here by the developers and we become very disappointed in the amount of time spent on the game and regret starting this game in the first place. This is the part of the game with the most bugs. Sometimes it get so buggy the end of the game is a bug.

The solution is for devs to plan better how these parts of the game keep players on their toes. They should know by now that designing a game takes much longer than they forecast and the financial side needs to have patience for when its final release.

Mods will also increase play ability. I find it amazing how many mod devs will give vast amount of their time for free to enhance a game. Devs that don't consider allowing their games to be modded are cutting down the games play ability by 10 times of its potential. Player content is very vital to a games lifespan.

Devs need to finish their games properly so players can get satisfaction. If they want to do more just sell additional content via add ons. That way they can get paid for adding content. Whether it extends the game past the end game or adds mini games within the game.

I find that games that have a lot of mini games inside of it eliminate the feel of repetition. Having the option of doing something different with the game you like everyday helps in its life span.

For those that have a large collection of games you know what I am talking about. You have a large collection of unfinished games you got bored of and a lot of content you never got to see because you did not want to suffer to get yourself there. It was easier to just buy a new game.

I think most players are not as worried about game cost as devs and their financial end are. They are willing to pay more for a game that keeps them on there toes. Devs need to pay more attention on how this works to bring value to their creations.

[Start_Running]

TheStoryteller01 の投稿を引用：

Zoltan の投稿を引用：

Trend of unfinished games

Zoltan, you need to understand the 3 golden rules of Early Access games.

Rule #1. Whatever your problem with a game is, it's never the devs fault. You always had a choice and you made your choice, now life with it.

Rule #2. Whatever your problem with a game is, it's never the devs fault. You always had a choice and you made your choice, now life with it.

Rule #3. Whatever your problem with a game is, it's never the devs fault. You always had a choice and you made your choice, now life with it.

The sooner you accept this, the better.

And in case you don't.....there is a highly motivated team on the forums 24/7 to explain the above in all length and depth necessary until you finally give up your highly entitled standpoint.

Three rules to follow. And if you're going to buy earkly access. do some bloody research. Check what the devs have done before. CHech the forums tos ee how and if the devs respond to issues mentioned.

[Zoltan]

TheStoryteller01 の投稿を引用：

Zoltan の投稿を引用：

Trend of unfinished games

Zoltan, you need to understand the 3 golden rules of Early Access games.

Rule #1. Whatever your problem with a game is, it's never the devs fault. You always had a choice and you made your choice, now life with it.

Rule #2. Whatever your problem with a game is, it's never the devs fault. You always had a choice and you made your choice, now life with it.

Rule #3. Whatever your problem with a game is, it's never the devs fault. You always had a choice and you made your choice, now life with it.

The sooner you accept this, the better.

And in case you don't.....there is a highly motivated team on the forums 24/7 to explain the above in all length and depth necessary until you finally give up your highly entitled standpoint.

I usually wait fpr the Early access to get done which could take years and years. Though I bought a few because they were most up my ally and hoped to influence its direction.

I am sick and tired of the hired goons that jump at a games defense when you try to give the devs ideas. Its pretty obvious they are paid to make anyone who has an opinion look stupid. This is probably why games are not as good as they could be because devs are not getting the feed back these goons are preventing take seriously.

Sometimes I post in the game forums to test if they have paid goons. Then I avoid buying that game because good games don't need paid trollish goons.

I don't believe that only 5% of games are completed because they get too hard. I think most players get too bored before getting to the end and see a different game to try.

[Zoltan]

I also do research on the devs before buying. Many keep changing their company names because they have failed to put out a game. Basically these devs are scammers. This pattern is coming from certain foreign countries. Devs should give visibility so you know what your getting into with Early access. Your paying them to finish a game. Which is upside down and a scammers dream come true.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

TheStoryteller01 の投稿を引用：

I am sick and tired of the hired goons that jump at a games defense when you try to give the devs ideas. Its pretty obvious they are paid to make anyone who has an opinion look stupid. This is probably why games are not as good as they could be because devs are not getting the feed back these goons are preventing take seriously.

This kind of stuff right here is where you lose any semblance of credibility. Trying to label anyone that has an opinion different than yours as a paid goon is laughable and just makes you seem even more naive than before.

[Blitz4]

Zoltan の投稿を引用：

OP

End game sucks for most all open world games. There's some games I just couldn't bear. Fallout 3 was horrid. Valheim, sure it's Early Access, but there's no way that they can .. nevermind, it's Early Access and they have tens of millions to play with now. Fallout 4 was worse. No Man's Sky was terrible at release. The Witcher 3 has a great open world as did Gothic 1/2, Final Fantasy 13. Somehow even X3 has a more exciting open world than some games.

I said it, that's right, nobody has the steel to say names of games. You have to if we're going to talk about games. So what do the games I said that I don't like have in common? Crafting. Survival. Building. Base Building.

This is an analysis to identify patterns, nothing more. As I mentioned earlier in Stratedgy's video, a game is nothing more than a combination of elements that come together to form an identity. Those elements are often called mechanics. No two games share the same mechanics, yet they're borrowed, tossed around, you name it.

Skyrim, talk about Skyrim, specifically the campfire and the snow mods. They let you have to survive the elements, make a campfire to rest at night, gather wood for the fire, etc. That and disabling fast travel made Skyrim feel like an adventure. But was it fun? Only if you were role playing it. Which again was mentioned in that stratedgy video.

Focus groups. What's a focus group? In marketing it's basically recon to determine how likely their target customers are going to enjoy their product, it's a small sample size they let sample the product or service. Stratedgy mentioned that as well, how a game is a combination of variables that align to maximize the amount of target customers and maximize their enjoyment of the game. This form of designing a game is like selling flavored paper. Sure it tastes good, but it's paper, why are we eating paper?

Open world games are boring. There's no arguing that. It's like comparing a work of art that someone spent years on and in a matter of a month, taking that painting and smearing it everywhere. Sure it's still that same piece of art, but the only thing recognizable are the colors and small globs of paint. It takes a keen eye or a twisted mind to see open world games as being more beautiful than a hand crafted one.

If you feel that open world games are the best thing ever made, specifically open world games with crafting and survival elements. Please play The Long Dark and let me know if you feel that way. Note that I am specifically not biasing my opinions by playing these games with other people. No Mans Sky, it'd be impossible for me to touch that game without a friend to talk to.

It's not open world that's the issue. It's the lack of care to create an interesting open world. Like valheim and No Mans Sky are boring because the world is randomly generated. You can not have a fun randomly generated open world without spending more time simulating what is being taken away from these worlds. I'm not getting into that, it feels like a tangent. Here's another stratedgy video, specifically about open worlds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxckAE9OU8M

[HyperWayne]

The gaming industry was fantastic years ago. Its now all unfinished games. Unpolished giant pieces of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥. Devs do not care about us anymore. Corporate mongrels have taken over. ( Battlefield 2042 servers are constantly unable to be connected too , Halo Infinite Multiplayer is just a reskinned version of their old halo and its garbage, Destiny reskinned dungeons and enemies nothing new , Skyrim just released a 10th year anniversary that I did purchase and now am refunding because nothing looks different, Warzone is beyond glitched but their more focused on selling skins, Forza Horizon 5 got released and I got that game because I have the g923 LG steering wheel.... they released the game without patching the most popular wheel out currently.... Elite Dangerous beyond buggy and very low FPS even on high end GPU's ever since the expansion of Odyssey, Tarkov flooded with hackers and glitched but to be expected based on the origins of the game. SCUM dont even get me started that game is the biggest piece of ass on this planet, ARKs optimization is so awful they abandoned it and started ARK 2 , Atlas quick money grab no where near even a complete game and abandoned )

The list goes on and on... Its all money grabs for these big corp companies.

[ReBoot]

Vote with your wallet. Companies will sell you whatever you'll buy. Don't want to buy an unfinished buggy mess? Don't buy that unfinished buggy mess. Game lacks a crucial feature (i.e. steering wheel support in a racing simulator)? Don't buy the game.

Wait til the game gets a feature set you're fine with paying for and buy it then. If the game never reaches that state, well, there's no shortage of other games to play, including a lot of them being finished.

Punish evil gaming companies the only way they understand: by withholding money.

[Kargor]

Also, decide whether you want to talk about games in general, like the opening post, or "Early Access" like many of the latest posts. Because EA games are unfinished by definition, although I've never bought one so I can't know how much they are going to change.

ReBoot の投稿を引用：

Vote with your wallet.

That's the point. It's always amazing how people buy EA games and complain about them being incomplete, or how they can buy Call of Duty 126 and complain about how it's a reskin of Call of Duty 125, which they complained about last year because it was a reskin of Call of Duty 124, which they complained about the year before for being too close to Call of Duty 123, which they complained about because...

[synesta]

This seems to be more so a case for indie game studios, a lot of indie games end up getting half-finished with developers sending out messages promising updates that either never come or are heavily delayed due to time and money restraints, and it's sad because most of the time these games are very good too, other big game studios that re-release games or just re-skin are just money milkers and for whatever reason people can't stop themselves from putting money into them, but right as soon as they don't like something they'll cry about it on a public forum. It's not the game studio's fault at that point.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Lord Robicheaux の投稿を引用：

The gaming industry was fantastic years ago. Its now all unfinished games. Unpolished giant pieces of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥. Devs do not care about us anymore. Corporate mongrels have taken over. ( Battlefield 2042 servers are constantly unable to be connected too , Halo Infinite Multiplayer is just a reskinned version of their old halo and its garbage, Destiny reskinned dungeons and enemies nothing new , Skyrim just released a 10th year anniversary that I did purchase and now am refunding because nothing looks different, Warzone is beyond glitched but their more focused on selling skins, Forza Horizon 5 got released and I got that game because I have the g923 LG steering wheel.... they released the game without patching the most popular wheel out currently.... Elite Dangerous beyond buggy and very low FPS even on high end GPU's ever since the expansion of Odyssey, Tarkov flooded with hackers and glitched but to be expected based on the origins of the game. SCUM dont even get me started that game is the biggest piece of ass on this planet, ARKs optimization is so awful they abandoned it and started ARK 2 , Atlas quick money grab no where near even a complete game and abandoned )

The list goes on and on... Its all money grabs for these big corp companies.

No it wasn't. There were trash games being put out years ago as well. Stop acting like the gaming industry has been nothing but a spree of stellar games in the past. You're choosing to ignore the game you thought were bad.

[Kargor]

Damp Wizard Sleeve の投稿を引用：

There were trash games being put out years ago as well. Stop acting like the gaming industry has been nothing but a spree of stellar games in the past. You're choosing to ignore the game you thought were bad.

That's quite normal; the bad stuff is forgotten, people remember the good old times... that never existed in isolation.

[TheStoryteller01]

Damp Wizard Sleeve の投稿を引用：

I am sick and tired of the hired goons that jump at a games defense when you try to give the devs ideas. Its pretty obvious they are paid to make anyone who has an opinion look stupid. This is probably why games are not as good as they could be because devs are not getting the feed back these goons are preventing take seriously.

I can play that game too.

[nullable]

Lord Robicheaux の投稿を引用：

The gaming industry was fantastic years ago. Its now all unfinished games. Unpolished giant pieces of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥. Devs do not care about us anymore. Corporate mongrels have taken over.

It's a fantasy. One that's believed by people who become aware of issues in game development, but assume they're new issues because they didn't notice them when they were five.

There's always been bad games, there's always been incomplete games, there's been canceled games, games with cut content. Games that were rushed out to meet release deadlines. You name it. Living in a cave in the 80's, 90's, or 00's doesn't make those issues go away.

If anything with digital distribution, lots of games see lives and development cycles that would have seemed magical and utopian in 2001. Sure, some things change, some things are different, and the industry isn't perfect. But it's never been. And you're kidding yourself to believe otherwise.

[Satoru]

Lord Robicheaux の投稿を引用：

The gaming industry was fantastic years ago. Its now all unfinished games. Unpolished giant pieces of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥. Devs do not care about us anymore. Corporate mongrels have taken over.

Its sort of convenient people have forgotten 3 infamous letters

LJN

Like an entire company that pumped out an entire continent's landfill worth of terrible cartridge games for a decade

Or that somehow people forgot that things like Big Rigs on the PC weren't really an anomaly they were simply put into the bargain bin extremely fast

[Lunacy]

Paratech2008 の投稿を引用：

No, You just accept the game as is when you buy it. There may or may not be updates. That is advertised on ALL EA games.

The literal definition of Early Access is that there should be ongoing updates until it's a fully released game that no longer needs content updates. If they don't we call that abandonware, which treads the line of illegality.