Why are developers "manning up" female game characters ?.

[Grimaldus]

It's happening more and more in games where we see developers hire a beautiful woman
to play their ingame female protagonist or overall character... and they end up changing
the face of the ingame female so much they look more like a man with female characteristics than they look like the actual actress they hires for the job.

https://i.imgur.com/eZXlHzf.png

Now take a look at the games Star Wars the Fallen Order where the actor hired to play
the character Cal Kestis , he looks SPOT ON ... literally cloned into the game .

https://preview.redd.it/future-character-wishes-v0-g46zc98mv4u81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0f4d2229751c1d12a5d0dedfeb70c9335b3d9729

Why can't game developers simply just let beautiful women stay beautiful in games
and stop changing them into female russian wresters .

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

Ok.. here's what the deal is. If her face was MOCAPED while voice-acting,
or if her face in ANY WAY was used to make the face of Kay Vess.
then it's utter BS that they went and changed her face from a beautiful woman,
into something horrible looking.. with Ben affleck's cheek.

Just look at the face of the actress, her facial structure is nothing like Kay Vess's is.

Then she is a voice actress only and getting paid to do so.

The character is just that, a character and the looks of the voice actress has nothing to do with what the character looks like.

I see no problem here at all.

I've seen ugly woman with beautiful voices and I have seen beautiful woman with horrible voices. The voice has nothing to do with it.

Lets be hone here, in your case, you just don't like the character they made. It really has nothing to do with the voice actress at all. If you have that much of an issue with the character, then don't buy the game OR wait for a mod to swap her out (and save money in the process). Simple solution for a simple problem of opinion.

[SKARDAVNELNATE]

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:

Because they are only used as a base, not as the entire character. Take the base, then change it to fit the role and story

So use someone as a base who actually looks the way they want.

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:

Doesn't work like that. Watch people's mouths when they talk. Even if they use the same words, their faces do so in a different way. It would be obvious that the voice isn't coming from those expressions and facial muscles.

1) Lip reading is a thing that people can do. The formation of words isn't so unique from one individual to another.

2) You have your rigging for the character's movement and facial expressions. You can map that onto any character no matter how different they look from the person who did the recording.

3) I have played plenty of games where the characters mouths don't even move when they speak and never thought it detracted from the game. Something that is realistic but made unnatural stands out far more than something consistently unrealistic.

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:

At that point, may as well make the character model from scratch as it would end up looking the same.

Yes, I find this preferable. The end result would fit the art style of the graphics better than trying to cram a somewhat real person into it.

[wesnef]

Still want to know what game that is linked in the OP, and what the other characters in it look like. (i.e, that face looks odd, no matter if it's male or female, do all of them look like that; i.e, does the game have an intentionally strange style?)

I also have serious doubts about the "all male characters that are modeled after their male voice actors are perfect!" claim.

[Grimaldus]

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:

Then she is a voice actress only and getting paid to do so.

The character is just that, a character and the looks of the voice actress has nothing to do with what the character looks like.

.

She was hired to do the same job as Cameron Monahgan . Then take a look at how
Cal Kastis ended up looking, then compare Humberly González with how Kay Vess looks.

[Grimaldus]

Originally posted by wesnef:

Still want to know what game that is linked in the OP, and what the other characters in it look like. (i.e, that face looks odd, no matter if it's male or female, do all of them look like that; i.e, does the game have an intentionally strange style?)

I also have serious doubts about the "all male characters that are modeled after their male voice actors are perfect!" claim.

Mass Effect Andromeda , and Star Wars Outlaws (to be released) .

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

It's happening more and more in games where we see developers hire a beautiful woman
to play their ingame female protagonist or overall character... and they end up changing
the face of the ingame female so much they look more like a man with female characteristics than they look like the actual actress they hires for the job.

https://i.imgur.com/eZXlHzf.png

Now take a look at the games Star Wars the Fallen Order where the actor hired to play
the character Cal Kestis , he looks SPOT ON ... literally cloned into the game .

https://preview.redd.it/future-character-wishes-v0-g46zc98mv4u81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0f4d2229751c1d12a5d0dedfeb70c9335b3d9729

Why can't game developers simply just let beautiful women stay beautiful in games
and stop changing them into female russian wresters .

Just another trend. Just like the "Torpedo Boobs" trend in female characters in mid to late 90's. Or the overly bouncy boobs thing from the mid-90's to...well that's still ongoing.

Though inall fairness it's not a really big trend.. just in a very small space of the VG industry.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

How to tell that an OP has never encountered real woman in one easy step

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

Originally posted by Spawn of Totoro:

Then she is a voice actress only and getting paid to do so.

The character is just that, a character and the looks of the voice actress has nothing to do with what the character looks like.

.

She was hired to do the same job as Cameron Monahgan . Then take a look at how
Cal Kastis ended up looking, then compare Humberly González with how Kay Vess looks.

And if all the games had the same voice actor, and the same character model, what would happen? Who owns the rights at that point?

Doesn't matter if game A did this and game B did that. The point is that you are simply using the excuse of the "voice actor" to push your personal dislike of the character.

[Ben Lubar]

By the way, OP, the reason the two pictures look very different is that the woman in real life has a completely different facial expression, haircut, and lighting to the character in the game. Not because the fictional character is secretly a man or some other conspiracy theory like that.

[Aachen]

Grimaldus, explain what you think the term “mocap” entails.

[Pierce Dalton]

If you think that every women looks super feminine you never went outside.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by the grinch wetbandit:

snip

And another buzzword bingo.

Originally posted by inpurpleshadows:

Not sure if it's me, but I barely notice any women in games becoming "ugly", like, at all. It's probably the kind of games I'm playing, but the way most in-game women look in modern games is the same as a decade ago, this time, with a higher poly-count.

I thankfully never quite liked youtube and don't have the patience to watch streamers and youtube personalities. If you get out of that bubble of ragebaiting you notice how little all of that matters in reality. These people don't know up to which extent they're spoiling themselves their own fun for the sake of making a few youtubers a bit more rich.

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

Another example of ... mysteriously altered female looks, while men are spot on.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-17ffeaf8cf79066eb1b6c7f975556f2a-pjlq

The male is spot on there, really?
Here's another take on the actor vs the character, shall we?
https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/scott-ryder.jpg
Alec Ryder vs Clancy Brown
https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Alec-Ryder.jpg
Gethin Anthony & Gil Brodie
https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Gil-Brodie.jpg
Gary Carr & Liam Costa
https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/liam.jpg

And now let's get into:

Originally posted by Grimaldus:

If her face was MOCAPED while voice-acting,
or if her face in ANY WAY was used to make the face of Kay Vess.
then it's utter BS that they went and changed her face from a beautiful woman,
into something horrible looking..

Daniella Rayne - Vetra Nyx
https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/vetra.jpg
Garret Ross - Kallo Jath
https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/kallo-jath.jpg
Stanley Townsend and Nakmor Drack
https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/nakmor-drack.jpg
Kumail Nanjiani & Jarun Tann
https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Jarun-Tann.jpg

[skOsH♥]

See: It's Always Sunny episode where Dennis loses his mind when Dee decides to get her hair butchered

[shado]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Ah , another " all woman in video games should be fap material for my fantasies" thread.
Riveting. :lunar2019deadpanpig:

they mess up when importing real faces as game texture? no, your just coomers.
glad for your input.

[Crazy Tiger]

People seem to forget that mocap with full facial cameras doesn't actually mean the character will look the same. It can alos mainly be used for the facial expressions and the like.