Family sharing conundrum.

[luckiee]

I know this has been done to death but I was wondering if a Steam employee could address this.

Say I have a shed with 120 bikes, I lend one to a friend. Now I am locked out my shed, unable to use the other 119 bikes. In what world does this make sense?

I have a license for one person to play a game. It makes no sense that you cannot play two *different* games at a time in a househould. I understand why you wouldn't be able to play the same game at the same time but this is ridiculous as I may aswell allow her (GF I shared access with) total access to my Steam account which achieves the same thing with the same limitations (not being able to play 2 games at once) breaking Steam TOS.

The idea of a shared family PC which this is designed for is outdated by about 20 years.

I am aware of workarounds via Steam and third party sources, but I feel one should not have to circumvent this draconian policy as it shouldn't be implemented in this way in the first place in *current year*.

[Nx Machina]

Postat inițial de luckiee:

As I've written about 274 times, the fact the same games (by the SAME publishers and devs, if you are hard of reading comprehension) are available to share much with more lenient/forgiving/less PITA restrictions on other platforms would lead me to believe it is a decision mostly made by Valve and not the devs/publishers.

No it is agreed with devs, pubs but you prefer to die on that hill rather than accept facts.

Tip: Family Sharing will not change for niche users.

Postat inițial de luckiee:

And most of those don't have a problem with offline account sharing, therefore, your point, as stated before is a non sequitor as it is not the same.

I suggest you read the TOS you agree to when creating accounts. They ALL state you cannot share your account but hey here you are complaining about Famy Sharing while violating what you agreed to.

Still ignoring you cannot Family Share on those other PC clients. Lets list them again. Epic Launcher, GOG Galaxy, Rockstar Launcher, Batttlenet.app and Origin.

[Aachen]

Postat inițial de luckiee:

It's not my perceptions LMAO literally google "sharing oxford definition" bro I'm not arguing linguistics with you.

From that[www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com] which I guess to be your preferred source:

.... give some of yours
​ [transitive, intransitive] to give some of what you have to somebody else; to let somebody use something that is yours
John had no brothers or sisters and wasn't used to sharing.
share something The conference is a good place to share information and exchange ideas.
share something with somebody This online resource will give farmers a new way to share knowledge with each other.
Eli shared his chocolate with the other kids ....

[Mad Scientist]

Postat inițial de luckiee:

In the analogy the car is the game. She is using 1 game (driving one car) which prevents me from driving other cars I own. Again, not playing the same game at the same time, but two different games.

The car is the library.

One user, at a time.

You've been given Valves direct quotes which notes no concurrent users.

The game is in the Library, think of it like an object in the car. When the car is with you, and not the other person - that object is not available to them.

These are not difficult concepts to understand.

[luckiee]

Postat inițial de Nx Machina:

No it is agreed with devs, pubs but you prefer to die on that hill rather than accept facts.

it is agreed VIA VALVE. They have obviously made arrangements VIA SONY/MICROSOFT which allows more lenient sharing. I am not arguing this anymore.

I suggest you read the TOS you agree to when creating accounts. They ALL state you cannot share your account but hey here you are complaining about Famy Sharing while violating what you agreed to.

Still ignoring you cannot Family Share on those other PC clients. Lets list them again. Epic Launcher, GOG Galaxy, Rockstar Launcher, Batttlenet.app and Origin.

This is true, I stand corrected. The only service I actually use out of these is R* and I don't share my account. However, I still have less than no idea the point you're trying to make by bringing this up as we're on Steam, thus making your point (I seem to be using this word a lot with you) irrelevent.

Furthermore Microsoft store allows for it, there ya go pal.

Wish I could lock this.

[luckiee]

Postat inițial de Mr. Gentlebot:

The car is the library.

One user, at a time.

You've been given Valves direct quotes which notes no concurrent users.

The game is in the Library, think of it like an object in the car. When the car is with you, and not the other person - that object is not available to them.

These are not difficult concepts to understand.

I do understand that however I find the way it's implemented (i.e. sharing the license to ones whole library (I guess?) rather than for individual games) to be ridiculous.


I'm not going to reply to any other posts on this, as I said earlier, this has devolved past the point of original intent and nobody is gaining anything.

So long and thanks for all the Fish guys, all the best.

[Mad Scientist]

Postat inițial de luckiee:

Furthermore Microsoft store allows for it, there ya go pal.

This isn't Microsoft, and they're not a great example given the whole Windows 11 bits going on.

Postat inițial de luckiee:

Wish I could lock this.

If you're not up for discussions, don't make threads. You can however, state you don't want a discussion with users, and a moderator will inevitably lock it.

Postat inițial de luckiee:

I do understand that however I find the way it's implemented (i.e. sharing the license to ones whole library (I guess?) rather than for individual games) to be ridiculous.

Well you agreed to these things, they're clearly labeled on the FAQ, and if another store does it the way you want it - go shop there.

Postat inițial de luckiee:

I'm not going to reply to any other posts on this, as I said earlier, this has devolved past the point of original intent and nobody is gaining anything.

Starting off by reading and understanding things before making posts is always a strong suggestion. Things aren't going to changed for users whims especially when it would be economically damaging.

[luckiee]

Postat inițial de Aachen:

:homelol: No acknowledgement that “to share” is in fact used without an implicit expectation of reciprocity or simultaneity, despite your claims?

I lied I am going to reply to this.

We share a cake, and I ate all of it, and didn't give you anything back.

Yeah bro sounds like sharing to me

please google the definition of "lending/giving/borrowing".

[Aachen]

Postat inițial de luckiee:

Postat inițial de Aachen:

No acknowledgement that “to share” is in fact used without an implicit expectation of reciprocity or simultaneity, despite your claims?

I lied I am going to reply to this.

We share a cake, and I ate all of it, and didn't give you anything back.

Yeah bro sounds like sharing to me

please google the definition of "lending".

I shared one relevant page with those reading the thread.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Postat inițial de luckiee:

I know this has been done to death but I was wondering if a Steam employee could address this.

Say I have a shed with 120 bikes, I lend one to a friend. Now I am locked out my shed, unable to use the other 119 bikes. In what world does this make sense?

I have a license for one person to play a game. It makes no sense that you cannot play two *different* games at a time in a househould. I understand why you wouldn't be able to play the same game at the same time but this is ridiculous as I may aswell allow her (GF I shared access with) total access to my Steam account which achieves the same thing with the same limitations (not being able to play 2 games at once) breaking Steam TOS.

The idea of a shared family PC which this is designed for is outdated by about 20 years.

I am aware of workarounds via Steam and third party sources, but I feel one should not have to circumvent this draconian policy as it shouldn't be implemented in this way in the first place in *current year*.

All these goofy real world analogies are completely irrelevant. Read the 3 billion posts about this that came before you saying the exact some pointless drivel as you.

[Nx Machina]

Postat inițial de luckiee:

it is agreed VIA VALVE. They have obviously made arrangements VIA SONY/MICROSOFT which allows more lenient sharing. I am not arguing this anymore.

It is a mutual agreement.

PS (Sony), XB (Microsoft) are irrelevant.

Postat inițial de luckiee:

This is true, I stand corrected. The only service I actually use out of these is R* and I don't share my account. However, I still have less than no idea the point you're trying to make by bringing this up as we're on Steam, thus making your point (I seem to be using this word a lot with you) irrelevent.

Furthermore Microsoft store allows for it, there ya go pal.

Wish I could lock this.

Microsoft Store is irrelevant.

What is relevant is: You cannot Family Share on those other PC clients. Lets list them again. Epic Launcher, GOG Galaxy, Rockstar Launcher, Batttlenet.app and Origin.

[Tito Shivan]

Postat inițial de luckiee:

It's not my perceptions LMAO literally google "sharing oxford definition" bro I'm not arguing linguistics with you.

The problem is not In the verb, it's in its subject.

The subject you're sharing is unitary (the library) and cannot be sub-divided.
Two people cannot play games in a library at the same time just life you cannot play two games in different computers at the same time.

You're sharing a bike. You either ride it yourself or your friend rides it.

[𝕎𝕠𝕦𝕤𝕖𝕝𝕫]

Postat inițial de Tito Shivan:

You're sharing a bike. You either ride it yourself or your friend rides it.

Unless it's a tandem...
No offense... I just couldn't resist...

[nullable]

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Postat inițial de Aachen:

:homelol: No acknowledgement that “to share” is in fact used without an implicit expectation of reciprocity or simultaneity, despite your claims?

I lied I am going to reply to this.

We share a cake, and I ate all of it, and didn't give you anything back.

Yeah bro sounds like sharing to me

please google the definition of "lending/giving/borrowing".

So now your argument is Valve is misusing the the word sharing? And you seem to believe you have a better understanding of the usage that most anyone else? Well, that's convenient.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Thing is, a lot of people who have issue with family share. Are legit misusing it anyway.

It's a means to share games with family, for example on a single family PC, that allows children to play games without giving them full access to the account details.

But then people out here family sharing with friends, and complete strangers. Then, there's tools out there family sharing for profit (look at the poker night community, people family sharing the games for keys.)

Frankly? Be glad the system in place now, is even there.

[ShelLuser]

Postat inițial de luckiee:

Postat inițial de Mr. Gentlebot:

[What you want is irrelevant. The system is designed to prevent abuse, and it's meant for [b]family sharing[/b]. Using it for non family sharing is already abuse, wanting to be able to use it as it's not designed is not going to make it happen. Valve has millions of accounts, they know the big picture ramifications of listening to any one users personal desire against income, devs rights, etc.

I'm not sure what your definition of sharing is, but generally sharing is considered where two people both get part of something.

If I share my bike with someone then I won't be able to ride it while they're riding it.

Sounds to me as if Steam's methodology fits your narrative like a glove.