Steam they have to do something against epic store

[elite_dude]

Yeah every new good game like Evil dead the game epic store makes exclusive deals to force people to play on their platform... And steam/gaben they are not doing (Anything) about it and they dont care.

Steam made a lot of money and they still earning...So do something, Do exclusive deals like epic
to be honest most of the new games you can find it only on epic store.

Even they are not making new games like half life/team fortress 3... And the only reason they made a new half life game, Is just to force people to play on VR which it's garbage for my opinion.

They are not doing anything, And in the future for sure we will see new hot games from companies like Rockstar... And it will be for sure exclusive on epic store.
And again steam dont care, it's like this if the number of players on steam is going down, We will sell our platform and that's what i believe.

[Haruspex]

Messaggio originale di The Brown Hornet:

I like the fact other platforms create, develop and service their games unlike Steam who simply sells games and does away with you. Valve has even convinced Steam subscribers that buying a game that ultimately doesn't work is your fault not theirs (EAG for example). I don't approve of that business model, have we learned nothing of the crash of 83 when crap with no quality control flooded the market? Steam does a lot of the same practices, quality control... What's that? Milk your audience, milk your fanbase, that seems to be the business model around here.

What has Epic made recently that isn't Fortnite? I think they made Robo Recall 5 years ago, but that's a VR game and you've made it crystal clear what you think about VR.

Valve hasn't done much in the same time frame in that department either. We got Alyx a couple of years ago. (Another VR game which according to you is a console gaming babies toy.) A tech demo for Steam Deck and a couple of DOTA related things.

What do they have to show for their efforts then, if not AAA games because they clearly aren't making those? (Though I will argue Alyx is in fact a AAA release. It's just not what you wanted so I'll count it out.)

Epic has an extremely barebones storefront/money hole they're throwing cash into. They have Unreal Engine, and I must say Unreal Engine 5 is looking fantastic. They also have a collection of (losing) lawsuits arguing that they shouldn't have to pay anyone, anything to publish and host their games on other platforms like Google Play and the App Store.

Also for someone so self-admitted to knowing nothing about Epic, their business practices, or Valve and their business practices, you sure do hold a lot of strong opinions about both. You've suggested whatever business deals go down in those companies doesn't matter to you, but some of us like to be better informed. If Valve was using child slave-labor to make VR headsets, I would avoid purchasing one of those products and I would recommend others do the same. With your logic though it shouldn't matter. That whatever business practices occur are basically none of my business, and the only thing I should be concerned about is the product and the price.

Nah son. It is my business. I'll vote with my wallet thanks, and that vote isn't going towards Epic. Sorry.

[The Brown Hornet]

Messaggio originale di 8bitbeard:

Messaggio originale di The Brown Hornet:

I like the fact other platforms create, develop and service their games unlike Steam who simply sells games and does away with you. Valve has even convinced Steam subscribers that buying a game that ultimately doesn't work is your fault not theirs (EAG for example). I don't approve of that business model, have we learned nothing of the crash of 83 when crap with no quality control flooded the market? Steam does a lot of the same practices, quality control... What's that? Milk your audience, milk your fanbase, that seems to be the business model around here.

What has Epic made recently that isn't Fortnite? I think they made Robo Recall 5 years ago, but that's a VR game and you've made it crystal clear what you think about VR.

Valve hasn't done much in the same time frame in that department either. We got Alyx a couple of years ago. (Another VR game which according to you is a console gaming babies toy.) A tech demo for Steam Deck and a couple of DOTA related things.

What do they have to show for their efforts then, if not AAA games because they clearly aren't making those? (Though I will argue Alyx is in fact a AAA release. It's just not what you wanted so I'll count it out.)

Epic has an extremely barebones storefront/money hole they're throwing cash into. They have Unreal Engine, and I must say Unreal Engine 5 is looking fantastic. They also have a collection of (losing) lawsuits arguing that they shouldn't have to pay anyone, anything to publish and host their games on other platforms like Google Play and the App Store.

Also for someone so self-admitted to knowing nothing about Epic, their business practices, or Valve and their business practices, you sure do hold a lot of strong opinions about both. You've suggested whatever business deals go down in those companies doesn't matter to you, but some of us like to be better informed. If Valve was using child slave-labor to make VR headsets, I would avoid purchasing one of those products and I would recommend others do the same. With your logic though it shouldn't matter. That whatever business practices occur are basically none of my business, and the only thing I should be concerned about is the product and the price.

Nah son. It is my business. I'll vote with my wallet thanks, and that vote isn't going towards Epic. Sorry.

Well just to be honest I'm not arguing that Epic is a Triple A powerhouse, Epic simply seems to be a platform set on competing directly with Steam while other platforms are content to exist on the fringes of Steam's monopoly. I applaud Epic's willingness to compete! It's different, it's new, it's a legit challenger. PC gaming needs stronger platform competition.

When it comes to Triple A's Ubisoft and EA seem to have a fair share of those. This summer I have time to dig into my backlog and I have a lot of Far Cry and Assassin's Creed to tend to at Ubi. In addition at EA I'm currently playing Fallen Order and I'm loving it, it's like a Star Wars Dark Souls Tomb Raider.

If Square Enix plans to be exclusive to Epic in the future then for me that's a no brainer. I'm a fan of Square if that's where they do business then that's where I do business. I was a Squaresoft fan long before Steam ever existed. Fact is on PC you can play on any platform so I fail to understand loyalty to one. At Steam you are just another account.

[KalGimpa]

Messaggio originale di Start_Running:

Messaggio originale di The Brown Hornet:

Like I said I think for PC gamers who grasp the concept of open platform it takes a degree of mental gymnastics to rebuke an offer of free triple A titles. If you feel you have some moral obligation to a digital store then Valve has really got some powerful mind control over its subscribers.

Just because its AAA doesn't mean its a title the person wants.
Just because it is free doesn't mean its worth getting. as said. People have their own calibrations for CBA. They are different from yours.

I used to hoover up those free games as said, but I stopped because the gain literally wasn't worth it. I don't need MOAR games. I need to find time to play the games I already have :P.
Kinda helped that most of there offerings weren't games I was interested in, or already had on one of the other platforms.

Messaggio originale di kalcuey-freehk:

and insulting those that don't. it is why i think it is what i was saying, arguing to argue. my brother loves it. i refuse to play

Arguing to argue can lead to great thought experiments and POV shifts, assuming one is actually prepared to argue, not simply make assertions that you expect to be granted as a given.

THe person in question seems to just have a hard time comprehending that just because someone doesn't want to use the EGS doesn't mean they are loyalist fan boys. Just means they , for whatever reason, do not see the hassle of dealing with that store as being worth the effort.

For myself. I just don't want to have another launcher to deal with.3 is enough. and thusly I pick the three that offer me the most utility. Secondly EGS's exclusives never really bother me since I almost never buy games in the same year as they are launched. I wait for at least a 50% discount drop, and a game that gets down to 60% in their first year..probably has something wrong with it.

That doesn'tg mean I don't consider it an anti-gamer tactic. It's one thing if a dev/pub chooses to do so..its another thing when they are paid to do so.

no doubt. devil's advocate is a thing for a reason and can be used to benefit. people like that or my brother, though, not so much

[crunchyfrog]

Messaggio originale di The Brown Hornet:

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

No you're missing the point.,

My opinion is irrelevant. It's MINE. I can't be arsed to go over to Epic because I don't like their business practices much, and I don't like thier Chinese involvement, and I do0n't like the fact that they offer less of a service for the same games.

SO they have lesser utility to me.

As I play on all platforms, I happily toddle between platforms. That's no rpboelm to me. But they must offer what I want them to do, and Epic just doesn't cut it. So if it's a game I haven't got elsewhere, then of course I'll get it for free, but otherwise I can't be arsed to get a lesser service, dig?

ABut you're missing the point. You calimed the no true scotsman fallacy about not being a TRUE PC gamer unless you do that - that's complete bollocks.

A PC gamer is someone who has played any amount of PC games regardless. And that part is NOT opinion, but objective fact.

I have no issue with Chinese or Japanese business, as a matter of fact they are leading innovators in technology and digital markets, not sure why you do, sounds racists or nationalistic to me.

Oh then maybe you should ask why isntead of assuming then.

I have no issue with any country or race, but I have massive problems with the CCP. You know that every company has CCCP backing and must by law have members of the government in their board right?

You know about the dirty stuff the CCP does in regards to stealing all company secrets and so on?

Never mind the crap they do to Uiygurs and all that.

That's why I don't support Chinese businesses wherever I can.

So please stop tying desperately to make up strawmanning claims and actually LISTEN.


As for my thing of "can't be arsed" which you were also wrong about, I simply do it becase Epic doesn't offer enough.

Here on Steam I can get a game dirt cheap (as I never fork out much for purely digital games), and get achievements, friends to play with and so on. On Epic I have neither of those,. On PSN, XBL, I also get those.

Might not seem much to you but it does to me.

So please stop the strawmanning and jumping to assumptions.

[Paratech2008]

If Squaresoft goes with Epic exclusively that's their choice, but ignoring Steam will just cost them sales.

Epic is losing money with their exclusives and bribing gamers with free games, EA tried it and it didn't work long term.

Epic is not upgrading their store or offering what Origin, Uplay, GOG, as well as Steam offers. That doesn't make me feel like investing in a company long term if they won't invest in it long term.

I just used free games to test if I'd like them. I purchased them on GOG or Steam as I believe they are here for the long term. I don't trust Epic long term.

But if people want to buy games there they can be my guest. I don't care where other people buy their games. I buy on Steam, GOG, Origin, and Uplay. I'm diverse on my purchases. I primarily use Steam and GOG.

[Haruspex]

Messaggio originale di The Brown Hornet:

I was a Squaresoft fan long before Steam ever existed. Fact is on PC you can play on any platform so I fail to understand loyalty to one. At Steam you are just another account.

Again, I don't have some kind of Steam loyalty. I have accounts on several storefronts... just not on Epic. I hated Steam when HL2 forced me to install it. It got between me and my game, and I didn't like that. I was a pretty big Epic fan long before I even knew what Valve was or that Half Life existed. I grew up making stuff in ZZT and playing Jazz Jackrabbit and Jill of the Jungle. I was firmly on Team Unreal when the big argument was between Unreal Tournament and Quake 3.

Then the early 00s happened, and Epic decided PC gaming was dead and console was the way forward. Valve thought otherwise and went full Steam ahead with PC as a gaming platform. (heh.) Console wasn't a bad bet persay but it was clear PC Gaming didn't die off like Epic expected. Also the other mastermind at Epic, Cliff Bleszinski, resigned. Arguably he was the real mastermind behind the games at Epic. He was the Steve Wozniak to Sweeney's Steve Jobs. He was firmly the man behind every great Epic (Mega) game I enjoyed growing up, and he left.

PC gaming not dying off like he predicted upset Mr. Sweeney. He's now throwing all his resources at trying to undo Valve's basically unopposed rise to power.

You can support Epic's efforts, or not. I choose the latter. Regardless of which you pick though, the free games and paid exclusive deals are not sustainable, and will eventually come to an end. If one or both of those are the reason you support Epic, you may not have much reason to once they stop.

[crunchyfrog]

Messaggio originale di Paratech2008:

If Squaresoft goes with Epic exclusively that's their choice, but ignoring Steam will just cost them sales.

Epic is losing money with their exclusives and bribing gamers with free games, EA tried it and it didn't work long term.

Epic is not upgrading their store or offering what Origin, Uplay, GOG, as well as Steam offers. That doesn't make me feel like investing in a company long term if they won't invest in it long term.

I just used free games to test if I'd like them. I purchased them on GOG or Steam as I believe they are here for the long term. I don't trust Epic long term.

But if people want to buy games there they can be my guest. I don't care where other people buy their games. I buy on Steam, GOG, Origin, and Uplay. I'm diverse on my purchases. I primarily use Steam and GOG.

I have no faith EGS was ever going to be updated as I think that they had second thoughts immedaitely.

Remember when they launched and people sai "where's half the features?" and they rushed out a timetable?

Then they kept failing it and removed it. Still to this day haven't done half the thing they said they were going to do.

So yeah, that's another reason I have little faith in them. Proofs in the pudding and all that.

[DESTROYER]

Only some of SE games are currently Epic exclusives, certainly not any of the ones I'm interested in owning, such as the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters, nor will be Triangle Strategy or Live a Live, probably the two releases I'm looking forward to the most this year.

[The Brown Hornet]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di The Brown Hornet:

I have no issue with Chinese or Japanese business, as a matter of fact they are leading innovators in technology and digital markets, not sure why you do, sounds racists or nationalistic to me.

Oh then maybe you should ask why isntead of assuming then.

I have no issue with any country or race, but I have massive problems with the CCP. You know that every company has CCCP backing and must by law have members of the government in their board right?

You know about the dirty stuff the CCP does in regards to stealing all company secrets and so on?

Never mind the crap they do to Uiygurs and all that.

That's why I don't support Chinese businesses wherever I can.

So please stop tying desperately to make up strawmanning claims and actually LISTEN.


As for my thing of "can't be arsed" which you were also wrong about, I simply do it becase Epic doesn't offer enough.

Here on Steam I can get a game dirt cheap (as I never fork out much for purely digital games), and get achievements, friends to play with and so on. On Epic I have neither of those,. On PSN, XBL, I also get those.

Might not seem much to you but it does to me.

So please stop the strawmanning and jumping to assumptions.

Steam definitely has great social networking, when I first joined Steam that's what hooked me in, playing online, team shooters, adding friends, never really got into trading but I know people love that but social gaming has become least important to me. I'll take a single player game over multiplayer any day.

This is because there are also negative aspects of social integration, fact is a lot of gaming communities at Steam are toxic. I use to love L4D2 but now expect to be vote kicked for making one mistake in Vs. That's not cool but its literally the norm. As a result I rarely play multiplayer games at Steam any longer. That's partially why I don't mind other platforms or see it as a weakness that they don't have fully developed online gaming, social networks, forums, online communities etc... However if that's a large part of the gaming experience for you then I can understand why Steam is your preference.

[Haruspex]

Messaggio originale di The Brown Hornet:

This is because there are also negative aspects of social integration, fact is a lot of gaming communities at Steam are toxic. I use to love L4D2 but now expect to be vote kicked for making one mistake in Vs. That's not cool but its literally the norm. As a result I rarely play multiplayer games at Steam any longer. That's partially why I don't mind other platforms or see it as a weakness that they don't have fully developed online gaming, social networks, forums, online communities etc... However if that's a large part of the gaming experience for you then I can understand why Steam is your preference.

Eh, that's less an issue with Steam specifically and more an issue with online discourse in general in 2022. No matter the platform, it feels like the viciousness got more vicious in recent years. This is true whether it be gaming, discussion boards, or social media.

[DESTROYER]

A lot of gaming communities in general are toxic, that's not remotely a Steam specific thing at all. Something tells me Fortnite is not all sunshine and rainbows, and let's not pretend Overwatch and League of Legends are some bastion of greatness in that regard either.

[Start_Running]

Messaggio originale di 8bitbeard:

Messaggio originale di The Brown Hornet:

I was a Squaresoft fan long before Steam ever existed. Fact is on PC you can play on any platform so I fail to understand loyalty to one. At Steam you are just another account.

Again, I don't have some kind of Steam loyalty. I have accounts on several storefronts... just not on Epic. I hated Steam when HL2 forced me to install it. It got between me and my game, and I didn't like that. I was a pretty big Epic fan long before I even knew what Valve was or that Half Life existed. I grew up making stuff in ZZT and playing Jazz Jackrabbit and Jill of the Jungle. I was firmly on Team Unreal when the big argument was between Unreal Tournament and Quake 3.

ude there was not argument. I mean UT'99 all the way.

Messaggio originale di ☎need4naiim☎:

PC gaming not dying off like he predicted upset Mr. Sweeney. He's now throwing all his resources at trying to undo Valve's basically unopposed rise to power.

I don;t even think its abiout Valve. Personally think Sweeney's having some sort of mid-life crisis. He loojked up and realized that Hardly anyone even remembered he existed.

Messaggio originale di The Brown Hornet:

This is because there are also negative aspects of social integration, fact is a lot of gaming communities at Steam are toxic.

This seems to be a statement made by the toxic elements of those communities. Can'rt say I've seen any community I'd wholly consider toxic.

Messaggio originale di ☎need4naiim☎:

I use to love L4D2 but now expect to be vote kicked for making one mistake in Vs.

Yeah because as far as your team mates are concerned, you're a liability. COmmunication helps. Maybe start by saying you're not pro, and any advice or directions would be appreciated. Be surprised how far that goes toward mitigating votekicks.

They'll happily tell you what they need you to do and when.

Messaggio originale di ☎need4naiim☎:

That's not cool but its literally the norm. As a result I rarely play multiplayer games at Steam any longer.

If you keep having the same experience across many communities.. you might actually be the problem and not the community. And I say this having sunk hours into Dota2. Again be communicativem, be open, be willing to listen and follow orders.

[The Brown Hornet]

Messaggio originale di DESTROYER:

A lot of gaming communities in general are toxic, that's not remotely a Steam specific thing at all. Something tells me Fortnite is not all sunshine and rainbows, and let's not pretend Overwatch and League of Legends are some bastion of greatness in that regard either.

I've never played those games, they look toxic, not to mention the other reason I don't bother with multiplayer games any longer, cheaters and hackers, it's out of control

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Messaggio originale di DESTROYER:

A lot of gaming communities in general are toxic, that's not remotely a Steam specific thing at all. Something tells me Fortnite is not all sunshine and rainbows, and let's not pretend Overwatch and League of Legends are some bastion of greatness in that regard either.

Back in my day, LoL was crazy toxic AF on the forums, and in-game chat that before rules were being enforced really. But yeah if there is competitive games, then it's very likely you come across toxic players no matter the game really if it allows communicating with others.

[Aahzmandias]

Gaming communities are mostly honest. Snowflakes think telling the unmasked truth to their faces is "toxic". If Gamers do not like an opinion one bit, they tell it in uncertain terms.

The term toxic itself is overused by certain social groups, that should just stay away from our hobby. We want escapism, not lectures on actual real live events.

And sometimes the toxicity in gaming lobbies is just "Trash talk". These people do not even understand the reason for that... It's psychological warfare. People, who are angry make mistakes. Btw, if you realize what the others try, you are no longer affected by it.