Riot vs moonton. Why valve didnt help riot??

[Sagitta Luminis]

It was happened before and riot won but now its happening again.
This is the 2nd time and the case is viral on every social media in my country. The case was about copyright / similiarity between LoL and mobile legends and riot want this case to be Brougt to the court. Riot claim that mobile legend copying their heroes, skin, map, abilities etc but i think theres so many things too that exactly look like the same for Dota 2 in mobile legend. Many of their heroes concept, abilities, item and ability icon look like Dota 2. Why Gaben didnt bother to punish that China trash mobile game?? I think if Valve work together with riot, that china dev Will surely close / delete their game forever. Not only Dota22 and lol but This crap mobile game sucking many concept, art style from amny other video games since 2016
that game is #1 downloaded moba game ini my country its Shame knowing the game stealing things from other games and many kids playing it in here..
I know Its not our thing to considered about but at least give ur opinion from Valve perspective
P.s : sorry for bad english

[Define Brackish Water]

Mobile Legends: Bang Bang was on Steam? I thought it was a mobile phone app on Android or iOS.

[ReBoot]

From Valve's perspective this isn't their business. Have you noticed how neither of those games are theirs? Have you noticed how Valve don't run a mobile games store?

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引用自 Akalafintonio777：

but i think theres so many things too that exactly look like the same for Dota 2 in mobile legend. Many of their heroes concept, abilities, item and ability icon look like Dota 2. Why Gaben didnt bother to punish that China trash mobile game??

Maybe Valve doesn't agree with your appraisal.

引用自 Akalafintonio777：

I think if Valve work together with riot, that china dev Will surely close / delete their game forever.

Imagination is a hell of a drug.

引用自 Akalafintonio777：

Not only Dota22 and lol but This crap mobile game sucking many concept, art style from amny other video games since 2016
that game is #1 downloaded moba game ini my country its Shame knowing the game stealing things from other games and many kids playing it in here..

Valve isn't the Internet police. They have options, and they'll do what they think is best. You may have opinions about what they ought to do. But arguably you don't have the experience and expertise either as a game developer, a digital distributor, or a lawyer to base the opinions on. Valve does though. So.... who's opinion has more weight in this case?


And the short version, I agree with ReBoot. Although Valve can change their mind at any point during the process too if circumstances change.

[Mad Scientist]

This is a classic example of how some people say "Steam is too big, they shouldn't be a monopoly" (they aren't).

Then other users see how big Steam is, and want Valve to throw around power to get involved with other parties problems and try throwing their weight around where they have 0 involvement, 0 interest, and it has 0 effect on their business. Do you know how bad that would look if they tried to use their size to affect something else? Why would they get involved?

[nullable]

Yeah, probably at best Valve could do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amicus_curiae depending on the circumstances and jurisdiction.

It also makes me think about Newegg fighting patent trolls back in 00's and 10's, they didn't swoop in to save other targets. But when a patent troll knocked on their door they'd spend all the time and money to kick the trolls teeth out, which ends up helping everyone. And hopefully provides a bit of a chilling effect on that sort of anti-social behavior and arguable misuse of patents.

[crunchyfrog]

Lol, thinking that any Chinese dev will close their game is pure fantasy. When you have the CCP at your back that's NEVER going to happen.

Sorry, but you have a weird understanding of things OP.

The fact is Valve have absolutely nothing to do with this. You can't just insert youself into legal cases. There's this thing called "STANDING".

You should look that up.

[captainwiseass]

As others have asked, why would Valve insert itself into a lawsuit that doesn't affect it? I'm sure the company's legal team would enjoy the extra billable hours, but that's about the only benefit anyone would see from it.

[Reggaejunkiedrew]

Are there any public cases of Valve taking legal action against anyone for any reason? They don't seem like a very litigious company.

[my new friend]

You think Valve wants to insert themselves into another Dota inspired lawsuit?
https://www.cinemablend.com/games/Blizzard-Valve-Settle-DOTA-Lawsuit-42430.html

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引用自 Reggaejunkiedrew：

Are there any public cases of Valve taking legal action against anyone for any reason? They don't seem like a very litigious company.

It would be very surprising if they haven't had to sue anyone. Not being litigious is one thing, but lawsuits are just a way to resolve issues when two parties are incapable of resolving it between themselves. Even if Valve was amazing at that end of it, solving issues between themselves, it's inevitable there's disagreements you need an authority to resolve.

It just may be Valve's lawsuits aren't that interesting. Just like every kidnapped child doesn't make national news, neither does every lawsuit.

[crunchyfrog]

The thing to remember is they CANNOT just insert themselves in a lawsuit.

They must have standing, essentially. This means they must have a legitimate claim.

[Sagitta Luminis]

thanks for the answer guys
i know its not easy, its fight between dev VS dev so it will be huge
i wrote this post cause i got mad / angry at those china dev making their game by just copying from others and many kid here play the game without knowing that
so sad looking that my axe (dota 2) as baldmond (mobile legend), drow ranger (dota 2) as miya (mobile legend) an many others idea in cheap mobile game without those kid knowing the origin of that characters

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Akalafintonio777：

thanks for the answer guys
i know its not easy, its fight between dev VS dev so it will be huge
i wrote this post cause i got mad / angry at those china dev making their game by just copying from others and many kid here play the game without knowing that
so sad looking that my axe (dota 2) as baldmond (mobile legend), drow ranger (dota 2) as miya (mobile legend) an many others idea in cheap mobile game without those kid knowing the origin of that characters

Well, that's nice to hear. Such honesty you should be very proud of - I certainly respect that.

Yeah sadly, I get your anger. China does like to copy everything. They don't generally innovate much themselves because of this and the CCP actually protects such stuff.

I've not looked into this case, but I doubt it'll actually do antying anyway. If it's in the western world, then if the western company wins, the CHinese company will likely just carry on regardless. The CCP won't allow them to be taken to task.

On the other hand, if it's IN China, then that case is as good as dead anyway.

But the fact remains, a court case is only relelvant to those with STANDING. Ie, with a direct connection to the case. They can't just insert themselves.

[Sagitta Luminis]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 Akalafintonio777：

thanks for the answer guys
i know its not easy, its fight between dev VS dev so it will be huge
i wrote this post cause i got mad / angry at those china dev making their game by just copying from others and many kid here play the game without knowing that
so sad looking that my axe (dota 2) as baldmond (mobile legend), drow ranger (dota 2) as miya (mobile legend) an many others idea in cheap mobile game without those kid knowing the origin of that characters

Well, that's nice to hear. Such honesty you should be very proud of - I certainly respect that.

Yeah sadly, I get your anger. China does like to copy everything. They don't generally innovate much themselves because of this and the CCP actually protects such stuff.

I've not looked into this case, but I doubt it'll actually do antying anyway. If it's in the western world, then if the western company wins, the CHinese company will likely just carry on regardless. The CCP won't allow them to be taken to task.

On the other hand, if it's IN China, then that case is as good as dead anyway.

But the fact remains, a court case is only relelvant to those with STANDING. Ie, with a direct connection to the case. They can't just insert themselves.

thanks, and glad u are with me
i just write my opinion here,, and u know what make it even worse? that china decs sell all those copy (new heroes, skin etc) with very high price and i cant believe it so many ppl here bought them without knowing that is the copying other works..
i hope riot won cause if im not mistaken they have more than 100 proof that china dev copying their game

[Mad Scientist]

There's basically no accountability for China, though, when it comes to intellectual property and respecting / adhering to it which is why almost everything has a cheaper knockoff version.

They're a big trade country, which is double edged, but they'll likely not be held to any ruling.