Do I own my games or not?

[Zoltan]

I was around back when STEAM started. It took time to trust them that they will be around long enough from buying the games that were on disk to buying them on steam and still owning them.

Now I am being told I don't own my games that games are only a service.

What the Hell !

We need to know if steam is sticking to the original plan that we own our games.

[xAlphaStarOmegax]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

We own nothing.

Exactly. According to the world economic forum, we will own nothing, and be happy.

[Zefar]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xAlphaStarOmegax:

Oprindeligt skrevet af xBCxRangers:

We own nothing.

Exactly. According to the world economic forum, we will own nothing, and be happy.

With PC games this has been the case the past 30+ years.

[Lunacy]

You buy a broom, you own it.
You buy a car, you own it.
You buy a game, you apparently don't own it and your right to play it can be taken away at any moment.
*confused look meme*

[Piston Smashed™]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lunacy:

You buy a broom, you own it.
You buy a car, you own it.
You buy a game, you apparently don't own it and your right to play it can be taken away at any moment.
*confused look meme*

You and others keep saying "you buy a game" but you don't and none of you even pay attention to anything being said. You buy a "LICENSE" to allow you to play a game, you NEVER buy a game.

[Knee]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lunacy:

You buy a broom, you own it.
You buy a car, you own it.
You buy a game, you apparently don't own it and your right to play it can be taken away at any moment.
*confused look meme*

If you read through the thread you’d understand the various reasons on why that is

[Zoltan]

I bet you next you will try and convince people we don't own our own bodies.

[how bout i do anyway]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zoltan:

I bet you next you will try and convince people we don't own our own bodies.

If you can't sell yourself into slavery or sell your organs/limbs, do you own your body?

I own my car. I can sell it whole, I can sell it piece-by-piece, I can destroy it and sell it for scrap metal.

I own my computer. I can sell it whole, I can sell it piece-by-piece, I can destroy it and sell it for scrap metal.

I can't sell my body. I can't sell pieces of my body. It's even illegal to kill myself or to have myself buried in a way not approved by the state. Seems to me that my body is not considered private property.

If you think everything is private property and subject to the same laws and regulations, then you are simply wrong. Sometimes, when you spend money, you are not buying private property. Sometimes, you are buying a limited license.

[how bout i do anyway]

Until IP law and contract law is amended in such a way as to give you full ownership over digital content you purchase, you will not have full ownership over digital content.

[Tobacjoe]

No man, the only thing we own is the racing thought in our heads at our last breath.

[D. Flame]

nope, they will pull a game right out of your library whenever they want.

[Zef]

The only thing you own is a license to use said product.

Its 2024, how is this still news to people? Did you just crawl out of your gooncave OP?

[Blitz4]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zef:

The only thing you own is a license to use said product.

Its 2024, how is this still news to people? Did you just crawl out of your gooncave OP?

Oprindeligt skrevet af Piston Smashed™:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lunacy:

You buy a broom, you own it.
You buy a car, you own it.
You buy a game, you apparently don't own it and your right to play it can be taken away at any moment.
*confused look meme*

You and others keep saying "you buy a game" but you don't and none of you even pay attention to anything being said. You buy a "LICENSE" to allow you to play a game, you NEVER buy a game.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zefar:

Oprindeligt skrevet af xAlphaStarOmegax:

Exactly. According to the world economic forum, we will own nothing, and be happy.

With PC games this has been the case the past 30+ years.

Please provide an example of a PC single-player game here on Steam that removed your ability to play similar to how The Crew removed your ability to play the game. It's the first example I've heard of. For me, this gentleman is the first to explain what happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOPA7uNdVXE

[Zefar]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Blitz4:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zefar:

With PC games this has been the case the past 30+ years.

Please provide an example of a PC single-player game here on Steam that removed your ability to play similar to how The Crew removed your ability to play the game. It's the first example I've heard of. For me, this gentleman is the first to explain what happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOPA7uNdVXE

Valve doesn't do this. I bought a Chinese knock off of Double Dragon https://steamcommunity.com/app/1093270/discussions/ that game.
I can still install and play it.

You can't buy the game and it was removed rather quickly. But it's still available to everyone who did spend money on it.

But none of this changes the fact that we own a license to play the game.

[DeadPhoenix]

We pay for a license. We do not own anything. And they can revoke your access without questions.

We're paying for long rentals. If you want true ownership, Buy Physical or get it from GOG.

[andreasaspenberg575]

gog and steam work the same way but, gog have one advantage and that is offline installers. even if a game`s developers pulls out, the game is still available, unless it requires a server to play, at which point you can download it but not play it.