Used game market on Steam

[One30Seven]

Not being able to sell products we own is actually theft. We could easily have a used game market on here, but of course they wouldn't like that bc it means a loss of coin for them. That's not our problem but they've made it our problem. I say limit your spending with Steam etc until they finally understand who puts food on the table for them. It's time for a change or a change of hobby. Physical copies were always better. They had worth after you bought them. As of now... its a complete loss. Become a squeaky hinge about this and don't approach me with your brand of Stockholm syndrome. That's how we got here.

[rawWwRrr]

Originally posted by Achilles137AB:

Not being able to sell products we own is actually theft.

No it isn't.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Achilles137AB:

Used game market on Steam

Not being able to sell products we own is actually theft. We could easily have a used game market on here, but of course they wouldn't like that bc it means a loss of coin for them. That's not our problem but they've made it our problem. I say limit your spending with Steam etc until they finally understand who puts food on the table for them. It's time for a change or a change of hobby. Physical copies were always better. They had worth after you bought them. As of now... its a complete loss. Become a squeaky hinge about this and don't approach me with your brand of Stockholm syndrome. That's how we got here.

It's not theft.

Feel free to spend your money elsewhere.

[Chompman]

This has nothing to do with steam as you just buy a game license and they are a one time use once linked to a account.

This has been a thing since game keys were introduced and reselling games have not been a thing for a long time because of it.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Originally posted by Achilles137AB:

Used game market on Steam

Not being able to sell products we own is actually theft. We could easily have a used game market on here, but of course they wouldn't like that bc it means a loss of coin for them. That's not our problem but they've made it our problem. I say limit your spending with Steam etc until they finally understand who puts food on the table for them. It's time for a change or a change of hobby. Physical copies were always better. They had worth after you bought them. As of now... its a complete loss. Become a squeaky hinge about this and don't approach me with your brand of Stockholm syndrome. That's how we got here.

It's not theft.

Feel free to spend your money elsewhere.

:winterbunny2023:

Too bad no one makes physical PC games anymore, thanks to Steam.

And yes that's hyperbole, there must be one or two devs selling physical copies of their games.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

It's not theft.

Feel free to spend your money elsewhere.

Too bad no one makes physical PC games anymore, thanks to Steam.

And yes that's hyperbole, there must one or two devs selling physical copies of their games.

There are more than that but yes.

Going back to console for the limited amount of time left for physical games you can resell is what people could do.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Too bad no one makes physical PC games anymore, thanks to Steam.

And yes that's hyperbole, there must one or two devs selling physical copies of their games.

There are more than that but yes.

Going back to console for the limited amount of time left for physical games you can resell is what people could do.

:winterbunny2023:

I know, one or two was just hyperbole too.

[Chompman]

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

It's not theft.

Feel free to spend your money elsewhere.

:winterbunny2023:

Too bad no one makes physical PC games anymore, thanks to Steam.

And yes that's hyperbole, there must one or two devs selling physical copies of their games.

You try fitting games on cd's when they can be over 100 gb's when first released.

Short of replacing game disks with ssd's in the box the day of physical media has not been in demand enough to keep up with technology to accommodate larger size as HD 4k textures some games use mean they don't have to worry about game file size with digital downloads like they used to when they had to fit everything on cd's.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

Originally posted by rawWwRrr:

No it isn't.

meh, French/EU courts have already ruled otherwise. Valve in there desperation keep appealing, butthey can only do that for so long.

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=77bb2501-995c-4df9-a27f-89b09d25e6ad

Not really. The The Paris Court of Appeal found in Valve's favor. I am not aware of any appeals from the other party afterwords either.

Originally posted by Achilles137AB:

Not being able to sell products we own is actually theft. We could easily have a used game market on here, but of course they wouldn't like that bc it means a loss of coin for them. That's not our problem but they've made it our problem. I say limit your spending with Steam etc until they finally understand who puts food on the table for them. It's time for a change or a change of hobby. Physical copies were always better. They had worth after you bought them. As of now... its a complete loss. Become a squeaky hinge about this and don't approach me with your brand of Stockholm syndrome. That's how we got here.

From the SSA:

2. LICENSES ⏶

A. General Content and Services License

Steam and your Subscription(s) require the download and installation of Content and Services onto your computer. Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a non-exclusive license and right, to use the Content and Services for your personal, non-commercial use (except where commercial use is expressly allowed herein or in the applicable Subscription Terms). This license ends upon termination of (a) this Agreement or (b) a Subscription that includes the license. The Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services. To make use of the Content and Services, you must have a Steam Account and you may be required to be running the Steam client and maintaining a connection to the Internet.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by Chompman:

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Too bad no one makes physical PC games anymore, thanks to Steam.

And yes that's hyperbole, there must one or two devs selling physical copies of their games.

You try fitting games on cd's when they can be over 100 gb's when first released.

Short of replacing game disks with ssd's in the box the day of physical media has not been in demand enough to keep up with technology to accommodate larger size as HD 4k textures some games use mean they don't have to worry about game file size with digital downloads like they used to when they had to fit everything on cd's.

There's a new kind of disc (yes, disc, not disk) that can store terabytes of data, I think it was created by the Chinese, watched a video about it long ago.

[d3str0y3r]

Originally posted by Achilles137AB:

Not being able to sell products we own is actually theft. We could easily have a used game market on here, but of course they wouldn't like that bc it means a loss of coin for them. That's not our problem but they've made it our problem. I say limit your spending with Steam etc until they finally understand who puts food on the table for them. It's time for a change or a change of hobby. Physical copies were always better. They had worth after you bought them. As of now... its a complete loss. Become a squeaky hinge about this and don't approach me with your brand of Stockholm syndrome. That's how we got here.

This would be the biggest lawsuit of the year. As EVERY dev/publisher would be suing Valve for allowing users to resell THEIR property.

Games are licensed, which is 100% legal and they do not have to allow the resale or transfer of said license.

[JPMcMillen]

Originally posted by d3str0y3r:

Originally posted by Achilles137AB:

Not being able to sell products we own is actually theft. We could easily have a used game market on here, but of course they wouldn't like that bc it means a loss of coin for them. That's not our problem but they've made it our problem. I say limit your spending with Steam etc until they finally understand who puts food on the table for them. It's time for a change or a change of hobby. Physical copies were always better. They had worth after you bought them. As of now... its a complete loss. Become a squeaky hinge about this and don't approach me with your brand of Stockholm syndrome. That's how we got here.

This would be the biggest lawsuit of the year. As EVERY dev/publisher would be suing Valve for allowing users to resell THEIR property.

Games are licensed, which is 100% legal and they do not have to allow the resale or transfer of said license.

I imagine if that happened Valve would probably just stop selling games in the affected regions, charge fees to people already there to sell games to each other, and cut the dev/publishers in on it just to keep them happy. Of course, this means no new games for those people, so they will find out real quick that actions, and laws, have consequences.

[Sasori Kigaru]

Only two ways change will happen. Either a court case is won in the US in regards to digital media ownership and thus laws change OR people stop purchasing digital media in favor of physical again.

Whether or not people like the outcome in the end though is another matter entirely.

The whole "Reality grants wishes like a monkey's paw" quote comes to mind.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by JPMcMillen:

Originally posted by d3str0y3r:

This would be the biggest lawsuit of the year. As EVERY dev/publisher would be suing Valve for allowing users to resell THEIR property.

Games are licensed, which is 100% legal and they do not have to allow the resale or transfer of said license.

I imagine if that happened Valve would probably just stop selling games in the affected regions, charge fees to people already there to sell games to each other, and cut the dev/publishers in on it just to keep them happy. Of course, this means no new games for those people, so they will find out real quick that actions, and laws, have consequences.

If these regions are profitable enough, I'm pretty sure that devs/pubs would produce physical media to sell there.

[Amaterasu]

Under legal definition, the fact that you have exchanged money for a digital good means that you have exchanged money for something. Ergo, theft has not occurred. There is a different legal term for such a thing if it is non-refundable and non-transferrable, but that term is not theft.

If you were to hand Valve money and you got nothing in return, then theft would have occurred.

[Chika Ogiue]

Originally posted by Achilles137AB:

Not being able to sell products we own is actually theft.

Given that you don't own anything, it's not theft at all. You purchased permission to access the item you were interested in. You did not also purchase permission to transfer that permission to someone else.