I have added Tekken 8 to my ignore list

[Bagel]

Why is Tekken 8 propaganda on Steam's main store page still being shoved into my face?

[Crashed]

I'm getting the banner for Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth.
Valve always showcases big new releases. No different than GameStop putting up big ads for new releases on their outside windows to draw in consumers.

[Pierce Dalton]

Postat inițial de Unicorn Hunter:

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Well, so yes, right?

What is the evidence? I'm really curious because i always assumed it was baned on heuristics. If steam was lying and actually letting people pay to have their game displayed then wow that is scummy of them.

I thought I saw subnautica developers a few years back saying steam chose them to be featured for an upcoming sale, and that they didn't pay for it for instance. So if you have evidence that shows otherwise i'd love to see it.

Well, it's important to keep in mind that these two things aren't mutually exclusive. They can advertise some games for free, while receiving money to advertise others.

[Unicorn Slayer]

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Postat inițial de Unicorn Hunter:

I believe it would make no sense to advertise on your documentation for developers that you don't have paid advertising, and then have paid advertising. it would let any developer sue steam for misleading them and open them up to massive liability that would be incredibly easy to prove in court.

I mean unless you have evidence such as a developer saying they can pay for advertising then i'll trust the evidence versus random claims without evidence.

Well, of course, it would let any developer sue Steam if they find out, which will never happen. Do you know what an NDA is?

They cant offer a developer to pay for advertising without telling them they can pay for advertising... Again though, what is the evidence? I'm not saying your lying but its a pretty big claim to make without anything to back it up. All you've said is conjecture without a single fact to back it up.

There is far more evidence that Steam doesn't charge for advertising then they do unless you can show the evidence. Now that I tihnk about it its odd that i've seen a few users over the last few weeks keep making these massive claims about steam, yet when asked where their info comes from they keep refusing to ever provide anything to back up their claim.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Well, of course, it would let any developer sue Steam if they find out, which will never happen. Do you know what an NDA is?

Something like lying in one document, then being encouraged to do it in another way, would be out side of any NDA and open a company up to a lawsuit.

Occam's razor really does work here. Simplest answer is usually the correct one and making up a theory about "Company is lying to you!" with such obvious holes, is really easy to cut up.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Postat inițial de Unicorn Hunter:

What is the evidence? I'm really curious because i always assumed it was baned on heuristics. If steam was lying and actually letting people pay to have their game displayed then wow that is scummy of them.

I thought I saw subnautica developers a few years back saying steam chose them to be featured for an upcoming sale, and that they didn't pay for it for instance. So if you have evidence that shows otherwise i'd love to see it.

Well, it's important to keep in mind that these two things aren't mutually exclusive. They can advertise some games for free, while receiving money to advertise others.

Cool.

Show us evidence that any game has paid to be advertised on Steam. No leading questions, just evidence.

[Unicorn Slayer]

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Well, it's important to keep in mind that these two things aren't mutually exclusive. They can advertise some games for free, while receiving money to advertise others.

That would directly contradict the statement that they do not sell marketing space at all and you'd have expected them to be sued by developers for lying to them to get their business, so again, is the claim based on any actual proof, or just what you personally think they do not backed up by any actual evidence?

[Pierce Dalton]

Postat inițial de Unicorn Hunter:

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Well, of course, it would let any developer sue Steam if they find out, which will never happen. Do you know what an NDA is?

They cant offer a developer to pay for advertising without telling them they can pay for advertising... Again though, what is the evidence? I'm not saying your lying but its a pretty big claim to make without anything to back it up. All you've said is conjecture without a single fact to back it up.

There is far more evidence that Steam doesn't charge for advertising then they do unless you can show the evidence. Now that I tihnk about it its odd that i've seen a few users over the last few weeks keep making these massive claims about steam, yet when asked where their info comes from they keep refusing to ever provide anything to back up their claim.

Well, do you mind answering the question in my previous post?

[Pierce Dalton]

Postat inițial de SlowMango:

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Well, it's important to keep in mind that these two things aren't mutually exclusive. They can advertise some games for free, while receiving money to advertise others.

Cool.

Show us evidence that any game has paid to be advertised on Steam. No leading questions, just evidence.

Well, do you really believe that Valve would be stupid enough to let this kind of evidence leak to the public?

[Unicorn Slayer]

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Postat inițial de Unicorn Hunter:

They cant offer a developer to pay for advertising without telling them they can pay for advertising... Again though, what is the evidence? I'm not saying your lying but its a pretty big claim to make without anything to back it up. All you've said is conjecture without a single fact to back it up.

There is far more evidence that Steam doesn't charge for advertising then they do unless you can show the evidence. Now that I tihnk about it its odd that i've seen a few users over the last few weeks keep making these massive claims about steam, yet when asked where their info comes from they keep refusing to ever provide anything to back up their claim.

Well, do you mind answering the question in my previous post?

Sure a non disclosure agreement. Now are you aware an NDA does not prevent someone from filing a lawsuit over illegal business practices nor does it prevent someone from testifying in court if their testimony is relevant? NDA's offer no protection from legal action which supersedes the NDA.

Now that I answered your question perhaps you can show some civility and answer the question on what evidence do you have to back up your claim?

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Postat inițial de SlowMango:

Cool.

Show us evidence that any game has paid to be advertised on Steam. No leading questions, just evidence.

Well, do you really believe that Valve would be stupid enough to let this kind of evidence leak to the public?

So then you have no evidence at all, and your saying the lack of any evidence must be evidence....

Besides the evidence wouldn't need to leak to the public, the game developers would know if they were able to pay Valve for advertising, and they would sue.

[Pierce Dalton]

Postat inițial de Spawn of Totoro:

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Well, of course, it would let any developer sue Steam if they find out, which will never happen. Do you know what an NDA is?

Something like lying in one document, then being encouraged to do it in another way, would be out side of any NDA and open a company up to a lawsuit.

Occam's razor really does work here. Simplest answer is usually the correct one and making up a theory about "Company is lying to you!" with such obvious holes, is really easy to cut up.

Well, you seem to be a rational individual, Spawn. Let me ask you something:

Imagine that you own a building in a big city, New York for example. Would you let companies put signs on your building for free? Like this?

https://cdn.getyourguide.com/img/tour/64c2acb09ef30.jpeg/145.jpg

[Unicorn Slayer]

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Why do you keep refusing to provide evidence? Do you not have any evidence to back up your claim?

[Unicorn Slayer]

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Postat inițial de Spawn of Totoro:

Something like lying in one document, then being encouraged to do it in another way, would be out side of any NDA and open a company up to a lawsuit.

Occam's razor really does work here. Simplest answer is usually the correct one and making up a theory about "Company is lying to you!" with such obvious holes, is really easy to cut up.

Well, you seem to be a rational individual, Spawn. Let me ask you something:

Imagine that you own a building in a big city, New York for example. Would you let companies put signs on your building for free? Like this?

https://cdn.getyourguide.com/img/tour/64c2acb09ef30.jpeg/145.jpg

Thats not a very good comparision. Steam gets money from people buying games on Steam so advertising what THEY think is popular and will get them more sales makes more sense then letting people pay to advertise niche games for instance people won't buy.

So logically for a business like Steam not letting people pay for AD's makes very good sense.

Now do you have any information that contradicts that? Not to mention paid advertisements wouldn't work well with tens of thousands of games. You'd be waiting months for your turn to be advertised if you could pay, or you'd get 12 seconds of advertisement before the next ad switched over.

[Pierce Dalton]

Postat inițial de Unicorn Hunter:

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Well, do you mind answering the question in my previous post?

Sure a non disclosure agreement. Now are you aware an NDA does not prevent someone from filing a lawsuit over illegal business practices nor does it prevent someone from testifying in court if their testimony is relevant? NDA's offer no protection from legal action which supersedes the NDA.

Now that I answered your question perhaps you can show some civility and answer the question on what evidence do you have to back up your claim?

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Well, do you really believe that Valve would be stupid enough to let this kind of evidence leak to the public?

So then you have no evidence at all, and your saying the lack of any evidence must be evidence....

Besides the evidence wouldn't need to leak to the public, the game developers would know if they were able to pay Valve for advertising, and they would sue.

Well, I'm not sure how people can miss this detail, but if the game developers have an NDA with Valve, they wouldn't be allowed to tell anyone about that.

And in case they do it, it's Valve that would sue them for breaking the NDA.

[Pierce Dalton]

Postat inițial de Unicorn Hunter:

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Why do you keep refusing to provide evidence? Do you not have any evidence to back up your claim?

When did I claim having any evidence?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Postat inițial de Pierce Dalton:

Postat inițial de SlowMango:

Cool.

Show us evidence that any game has paid to be advertised on Steam. No leading questions, just evidence.

Well, do you really believe that Valve would be stupid enough to let this kind of evidence leak to the public?

Thank you for confirming that there is no evidence meaning what you've said is nothing but baseless speculation to start arguments.