Is Steam going to *Dump* Windows-11 at the same time as Windows-10? (Help?)

[battlezoby]

I want to upgrade enough to not deal with upgrading for a while, so I think I'm going to go to Windows-11 just so I hopefully don't have to re-upgrade as soon, even though I REALLY hate Windows-10 a lot less than Win-11.

But then I though:

• Steam F'ed Windows XP and Vista at exactly the same time.
  
• Steam is again dumping Windows-7 and Windows-8.1 at the same time, so...
  
  
• Is Steam going to dump Windows-11 at same times as Windows-10?

Or is Windows-10 almost certainly going to go first?

I really hate upgrading. But I'm doing it so I can keep gaming.

I want to go to Windows-11 if it'll buy me a few extra years, or maybe a year, but if they keep trashing the OS's two a time, there's no reason for me to subject myself win Win-11 instead of Win-10.

So all opinions as to what they'll dump first are welcome and appreciated. [See extra comments below]

[ReBoot]

Rule of thumb: history repeats itself unless there's a really good reason not to (and then it will still repeat itself, we got nazis in our parliament which, like, totally didn't go wrong a century ago).

So yeah, Win10 and Win11 will likely drop out of Valve's support (that one sounds weird) at about the same time. However, chances are, a Win12 will exist by then.

[battlezoby]

Messaggio originale di ReBoot:

Rule of thumb: history repeats itself unless there's a really good reason not to (and then it will still repeat itself, we got nazis in our parliament which, like, totally didn't go wrong a century ago).

So yeah, Win10 and Win11 will likely drop out of Valve's support (that one sounds weird) at about the same time. However, chances are, a Win12 will exist by then.

That's what I'm worried about, except Windows-11 seems so much more evil than Windows-10 I'm thinking they'll want to move people to Windows-11.

[battlezoby]

BTW... I prefer to not discuss Win-11 vs. Win-10 here otherwise since I have my opinions of it, which are probably different than other people's opinions, and hereby off-topic for the intent of thread. Thanks again.

P.s. I avoid Microsoft for "real life" as much a possible. So just worried about gaming. Not email. Not web. Not shopping. Not work. Just gaming. (Sort of a hint I'm shouldn't try to tax-deduct the machine. )

[Kage Goomba]

Short Answer - No.

Long Answer - Why would they do that?

First off - Steam isn't "Stopping Support" - that's not dumping - that means - if it works - it works - if it doesn't - well that's on you.

Secondly - Windows 7,8 are no longer considered "supported" systems by Microsoft.

Windows 7 was retired/killed off a couple years back.

Considering how long it took Steam to "pull the plug" - that's a good chunk of time.

Thirdly - Windows 10 is still live and will continue to be backed by Microsoft until October of 2025.

That's over a year away.


Windows 11 is Microsoft's CURRENT Operating System - mainstream.


That being said - why in the world would you think Windows 10 or 11 is on the chopping block in the first place?

Setting aside Windows 11 - Windows 10 will likely continue to be more or less supported by Steam for at least 4-5 years out maybe longer. (That's a guess yes but its a good one based on history - it's kind of foolish to kill support for the majority of users on the planet)

Me thinks you need to spend less time around folks who are panicking/screaming/wearing tin foil hats.


In short - relax - you got plenty of time to jump off Windows 10 - even then no one said you had to leave it behind even at that point.

While Windows 12 is on the horizon - we should at least have Windows 11 around for 4 more years if not 6.


Your encouraged to go to Microsoft's main websites to research their OS's life expectancy based on history and maybe gauge a 2 year estimation or so of when Steam (if they do at all) decides to say "nope" to that OS.

[ReBoot]

Messaggio originale di battlezoby:

Messaggio originale di ReBoot:

Rule of thumb: history repeats itself unless there's a really good reason not to (and then it will still repeat itself, we got nazis in our parliament which, like, totally didn't go wrong a century ago).

So yeah, Win10 and Win11 will likely drop out of Valve's support (that one sounds weird) at about the same time. However, chances are, a Win12 will exist by then.

That's what I'm worried about, except Windows-11 seems so much more evil than Windows-10 I'm thinking they'll want to move people to Windows-11.

Would you rather Win11 get support longer, than Win10? That's really weird. Anyway, They're both as evil as Win7/Win8 was.

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

why do you have to upgrade just to change os?

just wipe your drive and install new os on it dont need to change your hardware

[Chika Ogiue]

Messaggio originale di battlezoby:

Is Steam going to *Dump* Windows-11 at the same time as Windows-10?

Only if both Win 10 and 11 are obsoleted by Microsoft at the same time Valve decide to drop support and the user stats for both is lower than 10%.

[Crazy Tiger]

I'm sure someone has a working crystal ball somewhere.

All people can do is speculate and guess. It's likely sonce Valve everytime does it in batches, but knowing for sure is impossible.

It all depends on the evolution of Chromium. If Chromium cuts suooort for Win 10 but not Win 11, Valve likely will only drop Win 10, for example.

Nobody knows..

[battlezoby]

Anyone think Chromium will cut off Win-10 before Win-11?

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

I'm sure someone has a working crystal ball somewhere.

All people can do is speculate and guess. It's likely sonce Valve everytime does it in batches, but knowing for sure is impossible.

It all depends on the evolution of Chromium. If Chromium cuts suooort for Win 10 but not Win 11, Valve likely will only drop Win 10, for example.

Nobody knows..

Actually, Steam does what it wants.

More specifically, pretty sure they've be running Chromium without support for Windows 7 for a very long time before announcing the cut off, and then went another... I forget... 7 to 10 months of unsupported Chromium afterwards.

Steam can support Chromium themselves. It's an excuse for forcing up to upgrade.

Put "conspiracies aside", (which isn't a very realistic thing to do in these case) someone did point out that the more expensive games need the newer OS's, and that is at least one "conspiracy free" reason for Steam to try to get us to upgrade.

That any if you're not "working with Microsoft", you can be easily victimized by Microsoft, as the ability to force updates at any time lets Microsoft break any software (even Steam) whenever they want and as often as they're willing to put the effort into.

Honestly, I doubt it has anything to with Chromium, but nonetheless, if anyone has some good estimates at how many months/years Steam has kept Chromium past a Windows-Support cutoff, and guess at when Chromium will stop supporting Win-10 and Win-11, please let me know.

[Crazy Tiger]

Messaggio originale di battlezoby:

Anyone think Chromium will cut off Win-10 before Win-11?

Messaggio originale di Crazy Tiger:

I'm sure someone has a working crystal ball somewhere.

All people can do is speculate and guess. It's likely sonce Valve everytime does it in batches, but knowing for sure is impossible.

It all depends on the evolution of Chromium. If Chromium cuts suooort for Win 10 but not Win 11, Valve likely will only drop Win 10, for example.

Nobody knows..

Actually, Steam does what it wants.

More specifically, pretty sure they've be running Chromium without support for Windows 7 for a very long time before announcing the cut off, and then went another... I forget... 7 to 10 months of unsupported Chromium afterwards.

Steam can support Chromium themselves. It's an excuse for forcing up to upgrade.

Put "conspiracies aside", (which isn't a very realistic thing to do in these case) someone did point out that the more expensive games need the newer OS's, and that is at least one "conspiracy free" reason for Steam to try to get us to upgrade.

That any if you're not "working with Microsoft", you can be easily victimized by Microsoft, as the ability to force updates at any time lets Microsoft break any software (even Steam) whenever they want and as often as they're willing to put the effort into.

Honestly, I doubt it has anything to with Chromium, but nonetheless, if anyone has some good estimates at how many months/years Steam has kept Chromium past a Windows-Support cutoff, and guess at when Chromium will stop supporting Win-10 and Win-11, please let me know.

The Chromium version they're using still supports Win 7, it's a severely outdated version they're using currently.

They're now going to upgrade to a version that doesn't support Win 7 and 8 anymore.

The rest of your post is just the usual tin foil hattery.

[battlezoby]

Messaggio originale di Chika Ogiue:

Messaggio originale di battlezoby:

Huh? As I said before, Steam dumped "Xp with Vista", and "Win-7 with Win-8.1". Microsoft didn't stop support for those at the same time.... or did they?

Read that again. If both OSes are obsoleted (have been made obsolete) at the same time Valve decide (as in, when at the time Valve make their decision both OSes are already obsolete).

Ok. I guess I did misread, or at least miss some of your intent. Thanks for pointing that out.
Accordingly, I deleted my reply to it. Feel tree to delete your reply to mine if you like too, in which case, I can delete this one next. :-) [Or don't...]

[Tyrian]

thez r u just forcimg ppl on unsecure failsoft win 10 or past that fail to work with old games.
this way failsoft can collect more data from users.

[Zarineth]

Messaggio originale di Tyrian:

thez r u just forcimg ppl on unsecure failsoft win 10 or past that fail to work with old games.
this way failsoft can collect more data from users.

Windows 7 have no security updates = is less secure, than newer versions.
All games that worked on win 7 work on win 10. No one in few months were able to prove otherwise.
Win 7 have the same telemetry win 10 have.

[battlezoby]

Messaggio originale di Zarineth:

All games that worked on win 7 work on win 10. No one in few months were able to prove otherwise.

The problem isn't the games... it's Steam forcing the upgrade, and the upgrade tending to need newer and better hardware because Windows-11 is a bigger hog than Win 7.

Window-10 is just stupid... Win-11 is a worse piece a garbage, but at least it will hopefully avoid yet one more annoying a heck upgrade when I just want to keep playing the same games.

Messaggio originale di Zarineth:

Windows 7 have no security updates = is less secure

I swear, nobody on Steam knows what "Secure" means. Having Microsoft, an evil anti-competitive company with little regard for the law and privacy push whatever they want onto your PC whenever they want is NOT SECURE!!!

Older versions can have other security problems addressed by other ways, but if you're letting Microsoft push stuff, and if you're letting all those MS bots search and collect whatever they want, YOU'RE NOT SECURE!

Yes, significant security on the internet is rare, but Microsoft wants you to upgrade to REDUCE YOUR SECURITY and give them MORE CRAZY-HIGH LEVELS OF CONTROL OF YOUR MACHINE. Steam, for whatever reason, is in the business is getting control on the now very-vast-majority of games not now owned by Microsoft and, for whatever reason, getting you lessen your privacy and security by moving to newer and more malicious versions of MS-Windows.

[OctoberFox]

This whole thing has been a showcase of the problem with digital ownership vs physical ownership. I can still play console games from 25 years ago without a problem, but I have to wipe and start over on my PC if I want to keep playing what I paid for. All of the flaming, ad hominem, and bullying doesn't change that.

Messaggio originale di Zarineth:

Messaggio originale di Tyrian:

thez r u just forcimg ppl on unsecure failsoft win 10 or past that fail to work with old games.
this way failsoft can collect more data from users.

Windows 7 have no security updates = is less secure, than newer versions.
All games that worked on win 7 work on win 10. No one in few months were able to prove otherwise.
Win 7 have the same telemetry win 10 have.

Telemetry is not the same even though it exists on both operating systems, and "not secure" is a scaremongering catch all that doesn't actually address what "not secure" means. No OS is totally secure, but it takes a specific set of circumstances to affect most computers.

And before anyone starts attacking me (again) I have computers running every windows version since 7, and 7 & 8 (with classic shell) are superior, while 10 is flat our broken, and 11 loses some odd features while gaining a others. Windows 7 & are more customizable, more stable, and more compatible with a broad number of games that do not work (or do not function correctly) on either 10 or 11.