Capitalism Fest!?!

[scambammer]

YES! I love capitalism!!! It bought me everything I have

[scambammer]

Messaggio originale di No Gender Only Bones:

Anyone in this thread smoke weed?

that's how Trudeau toppled Canada

[Dr. Jester]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di Dr. Jester:

Name one that works.
I'll wait.

The NHS here in Britain.

While it is true that the Tories have tried their best to sell it off and dismantle it, it still works well.

I've said it many times on here but my last tripe to A&E was like this.

I've got spina bifida and sometimes I get issues with kidney stones or infections. As sod's law would have it, my last one was a Saturday night (busy time obviously) in the early morning.

My missus rings for an ambulance, which arrives within about 20-30 minutes. They give me some pain relief, which doesn't really work enough and confirm it's a kidney issue and ask which hospital I wish to go to. I choose Peterborough and am taken there (around 20 miles).

I arrive in A&E about 3.30 am. I am given a gas and air bottle to tide me over and the ambulance staff wait with me until I'm seen. About 40 minutes later I'm seen and given some stronger pain relief after confirming that I have suspected kidney stones. The pain relief is Pethadin. I wait around, now much more comfortable, and around 5 am I get sent for an MRI scan. This confirms I do have stones which have broken and stuck in my tubes.

So about 6.30 am I get sent up to a ward. I ahev to wait about half and hour for a bed to be ready and as soon as I get a bed a menu is thrust in my hands to ask me if I want to order anything. I really don't feel like much so I have a cup of tea and some toast. I'm given some morphine too as the Pethadin is wearing off (later on). I get put on a course of strong antibiotics and I spend a few days in to be monitored.

I pass the bits of stones over the next couple of days, keep getting attended to, fed three times a day, and given pethadin regularly via n injection in my backside.

After these few days around 6 one evening, I get discharged with some more antibiotics to take home and a taxi is called for me to take me home.

Total cost for all of this? The medicines, scans, attention, food and even the taxi and ambulance?

ZERO.

Now do tell me how this doesn't work.

NHS, the one that is struggling, needing more money to fund it and full of bloat?
That one?

The one where you are actually paying a lot and thinks its free?

[Dr. Jester]

Messaggio originale di Tiberius:

Messaggio originale di Dr. Jester:

Wait? You are moving the goal posts? Nice!!

Because we are talking about Canadians fleeing the socialized healthcare system.

Which still proves I am right :)

My initial argument was nvr abt canadians. You guys kept making this notion like the usa is a popular destination for medical tourism, when in fact, it's not true at all. It's one of the worst destination for medical tourism. Why would anyone want to visit a country where millions of their ppl leave their country to get treatment elsewhere?

But i'm sure you still believe the usa system is somehow superior despite all that

If it is one of the worst, why it is one of the best? Multiple links have shown that. People do choose other regions, but your socialist medicine in Canada is so good people are also going elsewhere./

[Leader of the Zakonistians]

Here's something to think about: Why do so many people, including a lot of Americans, believe that Capitalism is evil? What about it gives it a negative mindset? It's simply a type of governing belief. It is a method of government, a style of government if you will. Nothing about it seems out of space or immoral. I know that all types of government have their problems but Capitalism seems like a good strategy. So why are so many of us against it?

[Intelligent Jew Businessman]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di Intelligent Jew Businessman:

Socialized healthcare doesn't work based on my experience. I already admitted that maybe it works other places and im happy it does work for some people. Im in no position to a debate european socialized healthcare, Why wouldnt i be?

Because your claim was that it didn't work. PERIOD.

That cannot be the case if there are some that exist that do.

It's basic logic.

Show me where i said that? I specifically said it may work some places but its not working here. I also said both systems have pros and cons.

Are you confusing me with someone else or do you think you have me figured out based on one stance on one issue like that number guy did?

[Intelligent Jew Businessman]

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di Intelligent Jew Businessman:

You are a minority.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/public-satisfaction-nhs-and-social-care-2022

Overall satisfaction is 20 percent.... Not good.

Wrong.

Social care is to do with the elderly care homes and disability care. There's a massive problem with that for a number of reasons. Mostly because this is usually administered by local government or county council and NOT NHS trusts directly, and they love to either mismanage or cut corners. It's frankly pretty piss poor.


Maybe learn to read evidence BEFORE you post it, trying to cherry pick data that suits your narrative.

That ain't the NHS system in totalis. It's one arm of it.

Are you blind? Did you click the link? That coveres both. Yes, your social care has an even less approval rating. Just read the link. "nhs and social care 2022"

Also, Jesters link...

[Scott, President of Dominos]

Messaggio originale di Intelligent Jew Businessman:

Canada has to rely on US for all drugs since we dont make any here except a few generics. Pandemic taught us that. We were last in line for the pfizer vax.

“Operation Warp Speed”

Congress funded the production and distribution of the various vaccines. It wasn’t a private initiative.

[Scott, President of Dominos]

Messaggio originale di Leader of the Zakonistians:

Here's something to think about: Why do so many people, including a lot of Americans, believe that Capitalism is evil? What about it gives it a negative mindset? It's simply a type of governing belief. It is a method of government, a style of government if you will. Nothing about it seems out of space or immoral. I know that all types of government have their problems but Capitalism seems like a good strategy. So why are so many of us against it?

Because Americans will blame anything or anyone that isn’t themselves for their problems based on their personal identity.

If it’s white people, it’s immigrants fault everything is ♥♥♥♥.

If it’s socialists, it’s capitalism’s fault

If it’s Nazis, it’s the fault of da jooz

If it’s Republicans, it’s Democrats

If it’s Democrats, it’s Republicans

If it’s Homer Simpson, it’s Ned Flanders.

[Intelligent Jew Businessman]

Messaggio originale di Makise Kurisu:

Messaggio originale di Intelligent Jew Businessman:

Canada has to rely on US for all drugs since we dont make any here except a few generics. Pandemic taught us that. We were last in line for the pfizer vax.

“Operation Warp Speed”

Congress funded the production and distribution of the various vaccines. It wasn’t a private initiative.

So? You guys got it done and we didnt. You dont think justin threw public money at the problem. Im pretty sure everyone was printing and throwing money at the problem. Moderna made 18 billion alone from covid vaccine just last year. Id say operation warp speed was a good investment since it already paid itself off multiple times.

You cant compare the two. Canadas pharma industry is valued at 34 billion cads. US. Pharma is valued at 603 bilion usd. Please stop.

Even if canada had publicly funded "operation warp speed" we dont have the manufacuting capabilities and we have hardly any research.

Our drug companies dont even come close to big US pharma. Or even europharma.

Private companies did the research and already had the manufacturing capabilities in place. Canada has none of that on a comparable scale. Canada had a hard time just sourcing enough deep freeze freezers to store the vaccines.

Canada was actually hoping to buy sinovac from china until we imprisoned the huawei girl and china was like, yeah, no vaccine for you. Hence why canada was the last developed western nation to distribute the vaccine. Why do you think it took another 5 months before anyone in canada got the jab?

You cant compare. Canada does everything half assed, we are a half assed country. And we pay for it.

Other than one real large city and a few other decently sized cities, canada is nothing but a frozen barren wasteland. We cant even feed ourselves due to the cold long winters. All our produce comes from ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

We send all our crude to texas to refine into gasoline, then buy it back at twice what wr sold it for. We cant even build a oil refinery, what makes you think we can develop and manufacture state of the art drugs en masse?

Japan buys BC lumber, loads it onto their factory ship. Sail out to international waters, cut the raw lumber into 2x4s then turn around and sell it back to us at a huge mark up. Canadians love taking it up the bum.

I dont blame you, most of the rest of the world dont know exactly how pathetic our government is. We get bullied all day long for our natural resources by other countries who pretend to be our friends. We are a spineless nation and this happened some time after ww2 and formation of nato. When we stopped investing in our own military. Speaking of military, yeah, canada cant protect itself. At all. Pathetic. But you seem to think we are capable of researching and manufacuring state of the art drugs... Yeah, no chance.

["Twas'G'lorious"]

I'm not sure that the "jab" as you folks call it wasn't just some sort of placebo to funnel billions of dollars into big pharma. It definitely wasn't state of the art medicine considering a lot of the people who took it still got sick. It was a scare tactic and everyone bought the cow because of it, well, most everyone. Unlike them i trust my immune system to do its job and it has. Caught covid twice and lived both times. some got the vacc and still died but hey, its state of the art medicine. Let mother nature play its course, and if a bunch of weak and sickly people die off, it only strengthens the generations to come.

[crunchyfrog]

Messaggio originale di "Twas'G'lorious":

I'm not sure that the "jab" as you folks call it wasn't just some sort of placebo to funnel billions of dollars into big pharma. It definitely wasn't state of the art medicine considering a lot of the people who took it still got sick. It was a scare tactic and everyone bought the cow because of it, well, most everyone. Unlike them i trust my immune system to do its job and it has. Caught covid twice and lived both times. some got the vacc and still died but hey, its state of the art medicine. Let mother nature play its course, and if a bunch of weak and sickly people die off, it only strengthens the generations to come.

That demonstrates you don't understand medicine, chemistry or how things work at all.

No jab ever is 100% effective or anything close.

Especially when you need to develop something quickly. It's a miracle it got as close as it did. It could have been MUCH worse. Go look at how long it took work on AIDS to reach anything like a level where they could keep it under control.

You can't critique something when you demonstrably don't understand what you're talking about.

[Pokemastuh]

Messaggio originale di "Twas'G'lorious":

I'm not sure that the "jab" as you folks call it wasn't just some sort of placebo to funnel billions of dollars into big pharma. It definitely wasn't state of the art medicine considering a lot of the people who took it still got sick. It was a scare tactic and everyone bought the cow because of it, well, most everyone. Unlike them i trust my immune system to do its job and it has. Caught covid twice and lived both times. some got the vacc and still died but hey, its state of the art medicine. Let mother nature play its course, and if a bunch of weak and sickly people die off, it only strengthens the generations to come.

The jab was never an immunization. Too few people did their research on it to realize that, and the media spin did not help. The point of the vaccines was to make it so that, in the event you caught it, your symptoms would be less severe and reduce the number of hospitalizations. Basically, leaving you with a milder form of the symptoms that your body can deal with on its own. It primarily benefited the Immuno-compromised and elderly.

The lockdowns were useless and only prolonged the time until we hit peak saturation and relative herd immunity though, as well as deeply damaging the world economy. Did show which countries are willing to go full authoritarian though, like Australia.

Messaggio originale di crunchyfrog:

Messaggio originale di "Twas'G'lorious":

I'm not sure that the "jab" as you folks call it wasn't just some sort of placebo to funnel billions of dollars into big pharma. It definitely wasn't state of the art medicine considering a lot of the people who took it still got sick. It was a scare tactic and everyone bought the cow because of it, well, most everyone. Unlike them i trust my immune system to do its job and it has. Caught covid twice and lived both times. some got the vacc and still died but hey, its state of the art medicine. Let mother nature play its course, and if a bunch of weak and sickly people die off, it only strengthens the generations to come.

That demonstrates you don't understand medicine, chemistry or how things work at all.

No jab ever is 100% effective or anything close.

Especially when you need to develop something quickly. It's a miracle it got as close as it did. It could have been MUCH worse. Go look at how long it took work on AIDS to reach anything like a level where they could keep it under control.

You can't critique something when you demonstrably don't understand what you're talking about.

Not that big a miracle really. They pretty much used information they'd already gathers working on MERS if I recall. Haven't looked that up in a while though.

[Doomerang]

See you in the 4 hour bread lines comrades!

[crunchyfrog]

Messaggio originale di Doomerang:

See you in the 4 hour bread lines comrades!

Nah the opposite of capitalism isn't communism.

Why do you peple always jump to that? It shows you don't even understand basic politics.

[Cellmember]

Messaggio originale di "Twas'G'lorious":

I'm not sure that the "jab" as you folks call it wasn't just some sort of placebo to funnel billions of dollars into big pharma. It definitely wasn't state of the art medicine considering a lot of the people who took it still got sick. It was a scare tactic and everyone bought the cow because of it, well, most everyone. Unlike them i trust my immune system to do its job and it has. Caught covid twice and lived both times. some got the vacc and still died but hey, its state of the art medicine. Let mother nature play its course, and if a bunch of weak and sickly people die off, it only strengthens the generations to come.

Dingdingding.