Support for the Unsupported

[DKatana]

This thread is for vocalizing wholesome and reasonable support for those continuing to use Windows 7 and 8 for Steam gaming. As of yesterday these operating systems became unsupported on Steam.

As so many topics rightly said: there are valid reasons for keeping Windows 7 and 8 for PC games. Certain old or niche games are incompatible or run badly on Win 10/11. Older PCs cannot run Win 10/11 so well. Some are opposed to the telemetry and data collection introduced with Win 10, or prefer the simpler, easy to use aspects of 7. No amount of 'lol just upgrade bro' invalidates these issues.

[Tito Shivan]

Автор сообщения: ReBoot

I've read Fallout 3 a couple times in similar threads, played it on Windows 11 though.

Fallout 3 was one of those games people brought up as 'Doesn't work on W7' back when Steam dropped Windows XP support.

[Start_Running]

Автор сообщения: DKatana

Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers

We have our games. What else needs to be said.

True, and to add...

Talk of Steam suddenly bricking for 7/8 users is pure speculation. If/when issues crop up, Win 7/8 will receive technical support unofficially between the community. For those of us who have an older PC with Win7 for enjoying classic titles like the original Rome: Total War, life goes on. The sky isn't falling.

And then the servers stop accepting connections.
See thats the endpoint here and you will get there.

Автор сообщения: 😡 Duck 😡

Too many people who don't care will just say "Just upgrade."



The fact is that some older computers, although they can install win10, usually have reduced performance because win10 has more telemetry and privacy collectors running in the background of the system, as well as some unnecessary processes that may be able to be turned off with some optimisation tools to boost performance a little, but may result in a system that is unstable, and not all of us are in a position to do that.

This sort of things do not have any actual impact on user performance since this telemetry well.. its done in down time.

Автор сообщения: 😡 Duck 😡

Not only does it run slower, win10 takes up more of the hard drive, it's not a good idea to continue running win10 on a mechanical hard drive, you may need to buy a faster SSD.

A couple gigs more space isn't that big of a deal.n As for faster. Well W10 doesn't benefit any more or less than any other OS from being on an SSD.

Автор сообщения: 😡 Duck 😡

They also don't care that there are still poor people in the world, they don't care if they have the money to get a new computer that can run win10 better, they just want to shut the poor people up so that it doesn't affect their mood every day.

Dude. I have built a new computer for less than the cost of a $60 game.
Like legit. Yiou can find decent cpus for like $15, and mobos around $30-40, with the ram being abiout the same as the CPU.

Everything else can hjust be transfered from the old system.
Actual Poor people know all these cost saving tricks and use them.
So please don't talk about poor people. You're not one of them, and you clearly don't know any of them. What you do know are entitled middle class people who don't know how to manage their money.

I mean a year was given. Bouy a few games less last year and you'd have all you need to build a new system this year.

OSes are not like consoles. and its rather telling that I'm seeing the same arguments used now that were used hen XP was shut down. Like literally the same arguiments. and in some cases the same games being given as examples.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Автор сообщения: DKatana

True, and to add...

Talk of Steam suddenly bricking for 7/8 users is pure speculation. If/when issues crop up, Win 7/8 will receive technical support unofficially between the community. For those of us who have an older PC with Win7 for enjoying classic titles like the original Rome: Total War, life goes on. The sky isn't falling.

Unfortunately for you, you will find out soon that this was a bad decision. It is not anything that can be discussed because it is a fact based on history: At some point Steam WILL cease to function on Windows 7. It will happen. You can not avoid it. You can't remain in offline mode forever. Some day you will lose access to steam if you remain on Windows 7.

Автор сообщения: Letobrick

I agree, for anyone who plays older games on Steam, Windows 7 and 8 support on Steam MUST continue, end of story. :47_thumb_up:

Support for these operating systems is already ended. It's gone now. Later they will some day issue an update to Steam that will make Steam require some feature that is only present in Windows 10, which will then make steam stop working for Windows 7. You will lose access to Steam on Windows 7 some day in the future. Most likely before the end of this year.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Автор сообщения: 😡 Duck 😡

The fact is that some older computers, although they can install win10, usually have reduced performance because win10 has more telemetry and privacy collectors running in the background of the system, as well as some unnecessary processes that may be able to be turned off with some optimisation tools to boost performance a little, but may result in a system that is unstable, and not all of us are in a position to do that.

Anyone can download Shutup10 and WinAeroTweaker and disable all of this in Windows 10 in literally seconds. It's not even difficult. This sort of thing being in Windows 10 is NOT something that anyone can use as an arguing point as it's been possible to disable all of that for multiple years. Also Windows 10 has EXACTLY the same system requirements as Windows 7. Windows 10 is no more resource-heavy than Windows 7 on any computer.

Автор сообщения: 😡 Duck 😡

Not only does it run slower, win10 takes up more of the hard drive, it's not a good idea to continue running win10 on a mechanical hard drive, you may need to buy a faster SSD.

Even if people are on Windows 7 they should of migrated to an SSD a long, long time ago. No one should actually be using a mechanical hard drive for their primary boot drive in 2023, regardless of what OS they are using.

Автор сообщения: 😡 Duck 😡

They also don't care that there are still poor people in the world, they don't care if they have the money to get a new computer that can run win10 better, they just want to shut the poor people up so that it doesn't affect their mood every day.

Fortunately for all the poor people in the world Windows 10 can be installed and run on any computer that runs Windows 7 because the system requirements are the same. Also they don't have to buy a Windows 10 license as they can use Windows 10 without activating it for free for years. The upgrade to Windows 10 is 100% completely free. No new hardware is required. No money for keys or licenses. All free.

[Chika Ogiue]

Автор сообщения: Shaggin'Wagon

The upgrade to Windows 10 is 100% completely free. No new hardware is required. No money for keys or licenses. All free.

I'm curious, which upgrade path is still available for free? Microsoft ended the one most people used last year.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Автор сообщения: Chika Ogiue

Автор сообщения: Shaggin'Wagon

The upgrade to Windows 10 is 100% completely free. No new hardware is required. No money for keys or licenses. All free.

I'm curious, which upgrade path is still available for free? Microsoft ended the one most people used last year.

Neither. You can download a Windows 10 ISO, create a bootable USB stick with it, backup your computer, format the drive, do a clean install, skip entering the key and use Windows 10 forever for years without entering a key and without activating. No money required. It's completely legal and allowed by microsoft.

[Steven Seagull]

Автор сообщения: Shaggin'Wagon

Автор сообщения: Chika Ogiue

I'm curious, which upgrade path is still available for free? Microsoft ended the one most people used last year.

Neither. You can download a Windows 10 ISO, create a bootable USB stick with it, backup your computer, format the drive, do a clean install, skip entering the key and use Windows 10 forever for years without entering a key and without activating. No money required. It's completely legal and allowed by microsoft.

No, it is not legal. Only for 30 days, then you need a license. Technically it works even after 30 days but legally it is not legal to use it that way.

[Chika Ogiue]

Автор сообщения: Shaggin'Wagon

You can download a Windows 10 ISO, create a bootable USB stick with it, backup your computer, format the drive, do a clean install, skip entering the key and use Windows 10 forever for years without entering a key and without activating. No money required. It's completely legal and allowed by microsoft.

Yeah, that's not a legit path. If your Windows 7/8 key cannot be used to activate, then it's not valid. The 30 days is for you to evaluate whether the system is suitable for your hardware, after that you are legally supposed to purchase a license.

[Stellar Remnant]

Автор сообщения: DKatana

This thread is for vocalizing wholesome and reasonable support for those continuing to use Windows 7 and 8 for Steam gaming. As of yesterday these operating systems became unsupported on Steam.

As so many topics rightly said: there are valid reasons for keeping Windows 7 and 8 for PC games. Certain old or niche games are incompatible or run badly on Win 10/11. Older PCs cannot run Win 10/11 so well. Some are opposed to the telemetry and data collection introduced with Win 10, or prefer the simpler, easy to use aspects of 7. No amount of 'lol just upgrade bro' invalidates these issues.

You can run Windows 7 in a VM or on a second drive. No need to keep it as the main.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers

Автор сообщения: Komarimaru

It was many comments I've stated that Support dropped does not equate to a bricked client, not one.

And you never came for information, your post history is quite public. So unless you intended to delete all your posts(Which won't matter since most are quoted by others so already archived), it clearly shows you've done nothing but hook onto any lie as a fact, to then get upset when proven wrong, repeatedly and frequently.

And my comments have been a correction of misinformation, unlike yours with your conspiracy theories, ignorance and refusing to educate yourself on said topics, and you instigating others with lies and fallacies.

Perhaps in the future, you'll refrain from doing such things, so won't feel tortured when corrected with facts.

People will come here with questions and matters as they deem fit. And when you're wrong, be a man and admit it. It's not only the right thing to do, it just may be the polite thing to do.

Now, disappear.

"Blocked user - Show"

That's that. Ridiculous.

Telling others to man up when you have been wrong multiple times and haven't?

Nearly everything you post is conjecture and speculation.

We'll see how you feel when support really ends in a few months from now or if your laptop dies.

You have told multiple people in this forum that you are sticking to consoles. You have told others multiple times, to stick to consoles. Yet you refuse to do so. Yet when others tell you to stick to consoles, you thumb your nose at it. Funny how that works.

So, take your own advice, cut your losses and stick to consoles.

Because one of two things is going to happen in no particular order. Support will really end as in your client is not going to work on that OS any longer. Or your laptop is going to die.

You can't make anyone here disappear. But, at some point Windows 7 users will only be able to post on the forums.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Автор сообщения: Steven Seagull

No, it is not legal. Only for 30 days, then you need a license. Technically it works even after 30 days but legally it is not legal to use it that way.

Please stop spreading misinformation. You're just trying to prevent windows 7 people from upgrading and that's really not cool when we're trying to help them. YES it very much IS LEGAL. Microsoft provides the option during setup to skip it and they also do nothing to us after we have it installed for a very long time. Which by the way the 30 day thing was Windows 7 that did that. Windows 10 and Windows 11 did away with that 30 day period for being not-activated. I have my test bench computer in the other room with the same windows 10 install that has been in use for multiple years without activating it. It still works normally. Anyone can use Windows 10 and Windows 11 for as long as we want to without activating it.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Автор сообщения: Shaggin'Wagon

Neither. You can download a Windows 10 ISO, create a bootable USB stick with it, backup your computer, format the drive, do a clean install, skip entering the key and use Windows 10 forever for years without entering a key and without activating. No money required. It's completely legal and allowed by microsoft.

Do note you lose some features (cosmetic ones) and after a wile, there is a watermark on your screen that even shows in-game.

It being legal seems debatable. Many articles seem to go either way, so with out analyzing the SSA, I can't say for sure. What I can say is, they don't seem to prevent it at this point.

[Bad_Conduct]

Автор сообщения: Spawn of Totoro

Автор сообщения: Shaggin'Wagon

Neither. You can download a Windows 10 ISO, create a bootable USB stick with it, backup your computer, format the drive, do a clean install, skip entering the key and use Windows 10 forever for years without entering a key and without activating. No money required. It's completely legal and allowed by microsoft.

Do note you lose some features (cosmetic ones) and after a wile, there is a watermark on your screen that even shows in-game.

It being legal seems debatable. Many articles seem to go either way, so with out analyzing the SSA, I can't say for sure. What I can say is, they don't seem to prevent it at this point.

Just get a key from a key site, they are like $5 on Aliexpress...

[Steven Seagull]

Автор сообщения: Shaggin'Wagon

Автор сообщения: Steven Seagull

No, it is not legal. Only for 30 days, then you need a license. Technically it works even after 30 days but legally it is not legal to use it that way.

Please stop spreading misinformation. You're just trying to prevent windows 7 people from upgrading and that's really not cool when we're trying to help them. YES it very much IS LEGAL. Microsoft provides the option during setup to skip it and they also do nothing to us after we have it installed for a very long time. Which by the way the 30 day thing was Windows 7 that did that. Windows 10 and Windows 11 did away with that 30 day period for being not-activated. I have my test bench computer in the other room with the same windows 10 install that has been in use for multiple years without activating it. It still works normally. Anyone can use Windows 10 and Windows 11 for as long as we want to without activating it.

You are wrong. Please, don't spread misinformation. Rather do read the EULA:
"You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method."

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

[lsdninja]

You have to be licking Microsoft’s boots pretty damn hard to have this much of a problem with something that they’re actively allowing to happen and aren’t doing a thing to try and stop (even thought it’s well within their power)…