Win 7 here. Should i buy games, knowing that Steam will not work?

[Sooh]

There are games in solds, but now i'm facing a wall that Steam will block access because i use windows 7. Should i turn to GOG? the problem with GOG is games are Solo. not multiplayable.

Steam should offer a Legacy version of steam to Windows 7 users.

Windows xp was old and limited to 4gb of ram 32bits... Win 7 is limited to 128gb of ram and 64 bits. It's still a powerfull OS. (still better than windows 10 which is a nightmare).

[zero254]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hobbit XIII:

Oprindeligt skrevet af zero254:

gog actually has some dope support but they can be slow. Then again so can support here. They are probably flooded all the time from cs2

The games I have from GoG not all of them as havnt downloaded them but these are the ones i got right now installed :

Darklands an old game that will make your screen cry as it was not made for higher res. but if you get into it it is a fun and atmospheric game.

Hitman Blood Money and other Hitman games to be installed.

Freedom force - got this for nostalgia only.

Close Combat 5 - good old strategy. Are you going to be the defensive commander and save your troops or just get them all killed off for laughs?

Imperialism not installed Imperialism 2 yet. ~This game could be a game board and is still fun.

Thief Gold - nostalgia and because Bethesda peed me off with a well known level glitch on the ps3.

Legacy of Kain series - still awaiting the original Soul Reaver but already completed that on console.

Sleeping Dogs - need to do a bit of fancy work on the graphics for this 'potato' (info all over the net) but played it on ps3 and pretty damn good game.

I got more but about to fall asleep and rather just read now than type lol

Havnt needed to use Support yet so will see how it goes.

The support I got was not os dependent but rather they gave me a key that was actually already used on an old game and it was banned from every server because it was actually a generic key people used to do malicious stuff. So servers just banned people using that version of the game from the get go. Lucky for us gog has unique keys on deck (but for some reason don't just give them by default with the game since it comes activated??)

Game runs on every os though, even 7 or mint. Unfortunately you can no longer buy it on this store nor that store so it was quite the pickle up till then.

[Hobbit XIII]

Oprindeligt skrevet af 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hobbit XIII:

not disputing what you are saying for ease of reading could you break each point up.

I already did. I split it up as much as I care to and I'm not going to do it any further than I already did. If you can't read my words then that's your problem. Also please don't tell me how to write my comments in the steam forums. I will write what I want to how I want to write it.

You are not the god of grammar. You can't tell other people what to write in the steam forums.

excuse me I can read it fine was just suggesting a way so people can read at a glance and make your points stand out more.

prick.

[Hobbit XIII]

Oprindeligt skrevet af zero254:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hobbit XIII:

The games I have from GoG not all of them as havnt downloaded them but these are the ones i got right now installed :

Darklands an old game that will make your screen cry as it was not made for higher res. but if you get into it it is a fun and atmospheric game.

Hitman Blood Money and other Hitman games to be installed.

Freedom force - got this for nostalgia only.

Close Combat 5 - good old strategy. Are you going to be the defensive commander and save your troops or just get them all killed off for laughs?

Imperialism not installed Imperialism 2 yet. ~This game could be a game board and is still fun.

Thief Gold - nostalgia and because Bethesda peed me off with a well known level glitch on the ps3.

Legacy of Kain series - still awaiting the original Soul Reaver but already completed that on console.

Sleeping Dogs - need to do a bit of fancy work on the graphics for this 'potato' (info all over the net) but played it on ps3 and pretty damn good game.

I got more but about to fall asleep and rather just read now than type lol

Havnt needed to use Support yet so will see how it goes.

The support I got was not os dependent but rather they gave me a key that was actually already used on an old game and it was banned from every server because it was actually a generic key people used to do malicious stuff. So servers just banned people using that version of the game from the get go. Lucky for us gog has unique keys on deck (but for some reason don't just give them by default with the game since it comes activated??)

Game runs on every os though, even 7 or mint. Unfortunately you can no longer buy it on this store nor that store so it was quite the pickle up till then.

That would really piss me off :p

[WolfEisberg]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Spawn of Totoro:

Oprindeligt skrevet af N3tRunn3r:

1 million Windows 7 users on Steam? No! It is way way way less...

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Windows 7 64-bit: 0.69 %
Windows 7 32-bit: 0.06 %

Windows 7 pool in November 2023: 0.75 %

And with a peak of 32 million users today:

.75 percent of 32,000,000 = 240,000

Should use the total active users, not peak active users. out of total active users it would be ~ 1 million users. The question is how much revenue does Valve get from that ~ 1 million? My guess is not very much, not enough for continued support.

[WolfEisberg]

Oprindeligt skrevet af 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Oprindeligt skrevet af frank2351:

Stick to current version for existing games: https://windowsreport.com/disable-steam-automatic-updates/

and slowly migrate to other stores. That's what i do.

Win7 is far superior in performance to win10 and win 11 on certain systems. It can make up to 25% difference in framerates.

And then you are going to find out very soon that this is not an option. Rockstar games' launcher, Ubisoft launcher, Battle.net game launcher, and Epic Games all already completely ended support for Windows 7. Can not open them. Will not launch. Can't use it. The choice for "Other stores" is pretty much "slim pickings" for you now. You're going to have to update to Windows 10 some day to continue playing games on PC. There is no way around it.

Epic has NOT stopped support for Windows 7 at this time.

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c5719341124379/launcher-support-c5719357217435/system-requirements-for-the-epic-games-launcher-a5720223129627

And doing a search brings nothing about Windows 7 support being gone either.

Epic Store Client still runs on Windows 7.

[Hobbit XIII]

Oprindeligt skrevet af WolfEisberg:

Oprindeligt skrevet af 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

And then you are going to find out very soon that this is not an option. Rockstar games' launcher, Ubisoft launcher, Battle.net game launcher, and Epic Games all already completely ended support for Windows 7. Can not open them. Will not launch. Can't use it. The choice for "Other stores" is pretty much "slim pickings" for you now. You're going to have to update to Windows 10 some day to continue playing games on PC. There is no way around it.

Epic has NOT stopped support for Windows 7 at this time.

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c5719341124379/launcher-support-c5719357217435/system-requirements-for-the-epic-games-launcher-a5720223129627

And doing a search brings nothing about Windows 7 support being gone either.

Epic Store Client still runs on Windows 7.

In your opinion what is the down side of using Epic?
And is there any benefit over GoG ?

[MonkehMaster]

Oprindeligt skrevet af WolfEisberg:

Oprindeligt skrevet af 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

And then you are going to find out very soon that this is not an option. Rockstar games' launcher, Ubisoft launcher, Battle.net game launcher, and Epic Games all already completely ended support for Windows 7. Can not open them. Will not launch. Can't use it. The choice for "Other stores" is pretty much "slim pickings" for you now. You're going to have to update to Windows 10 some day to continue playing games on PC. There is no way around it.

Epic has NOT stopped support for Windows 7 at this time.

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c5719341124379/launcher-support-c5719357217435/system-requirements-for-the-epic-games-launcher-a5720223129627

And doing a search brings nothing about Windows 7 support being gone either.

Epic Store Client still runs on Windows 7.

true, but some tend to think "support" is stopping said clients from running on win 7, sadly these people are mistaken, no support is needed.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hobbit XIII:

excuse me I can read it fine was just suggesting a way so people can read at a glance and make your points stand out more.

prick.

You're the one that picked apart my comment and then went to the effort to completely re-write my entire comment in YOUR way how YOU wanted to see it. And you think I'm the prick. I wanted to write it that way. I wrote it that way on purpose. Seriously: Screw you and the high horse you rode in here on.

[WolfEisberg]

Oprindeligt skrevet af UaintSeenMe:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Grimsdottir:

"why should they continue to spend time optimizing for an OS that a majority of the PC user base has moved on from?"

I dunno, lets ask all the linux users who have for decades had about the same amount of users as windows 7 has now and have always had thier own client, and in fact valve supplied them with thier own handheld (which is whats articifialy boosting the linux user numbers now, those are not linux users, those are console peasants using steam) and spent countless man-hours developing proton for them.

Valve went out of thier way to support a userbase smaller than the current win7 userbase for over a decade, so lets not pretend this has anything to do with "user numbers", and all you windows11 fanboys using that as justification are just "wrong" sorry for using reality as a weapon against you....

I'm currently on windows 10, i have no dog in this fight, this doesnt effect me, but i do realy hate see'ing stupid people, regurgitate stupid claims.

You are right about Linux support doesn't have to to do with the numbers. For Valve, Linux support is more about being prepared with something just in case Microsoft decides to do something real bad with Windows, like turn it into an Apple iOS like system that won't even allow other stores to exist on Windows, or anything else they might think of doing that can cause disruption to Steam.

If Valve didn't have this worry about Microsoft, then I doubt they would be supporting linux in such a way they are doing now.

[Hobbit XIII]

Oprindeligt skrevet af 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hobbit XIII:

excuse me I can read it fine was just suggesting a way so people can read at a glance and make your points stand out more.

prick.

You're the one that picked apart my comment and then went to the effort to completely re-write my entire comment in YOUR way how YOU wanted to see it. And you think I'm the prick. I wanted to write it that way. I wrote it that way on purpose. Seriously: Screw you and the high horse you rode in here on.

No, it was just a suggestion because the points were not clear at a glance.
It wasn't a big change literally i put some spacing and numbers that is all.

Usually I would apologise but in this case I will not because you know all and know I am scum for making it more coherent at such a late hour.

I will take my primitive Kurgan ways and leave you happy in your misery at the audacity of a few spaces and numbers added to what was a very helpful piece of information to people.

[WolfEisberg]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hobbit XIII:

Oprindeligt skrevet af WolfEisberg:

Epic has NOT stopped support for Windows 7 at this time.

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c5719341124379/launcher-support-c5719357217435/system-requirements-for-the-epic-games-launcher-a5720223129627

And doing a search brings nothing about Windows 7 support being gone either.

Epic Store Client still runs on Windows 7.

In your opinion what is the down side of using Epic?
And is there any benefit over GoG ?

My opinion? Well to understand my opinion, I'm someone that the ONLY thing I care about with store clients is:

- Buy game
- Download game
- Update game if I want it to update, and still be able to play the game without it being updated (Steam fails at this part even in offline mode)
- With in the same household have more than 1 different game from the same library being played at the same time without using an offline mode. (Steam fails at this one)
- Play game.

That's it.

So to answer your question, in my opinion the only downside to EGS is that if a game has an update available, I have to go into offline mode for the game to prevent it from updating, alternatively I can user Heroic Launcher without being offline and it will ask me if I want to update the game before launching the game, I can say no and play the game.

So that is the only downside.

other than Epic having games that GOG doesn't have due to Epic allows games with DRM, GOG is better since I don't need to use offline mode (or use an alternative client) to prevent updating of games, and they have up to 5 most recent versions of the game always available to roll back to if needed.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Oprindeligt skrevet af WolfEisberg:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Spawn of Totoro:

And with a peak of 32 million users today:

.75 percent of 32,000,000 = 240,000

Should use the total active users, not peak active users. out of total active users it would be ~ 1 million users. The question is how much revenue does Valve get from that ~ 1 million? My guess is not very much, not enough for continued support.

That often the problem they refuse to listen to that logic knowing they're in the tiny fraction of the user base, and very few think delusionally they make up for the majority that buys the games versus the 99.9% of the user base.

Oprindeligt skrevet af WolfEisberg:

Oprindeligt skrevet af 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

And then you are going to find out very soon that this is not an option. Rockstar games' launcher, Ubisoft launcher, Battle.net game launcher, and Epic Games all already completely ended support for Windows 7. Can not open them. Will not launch. Can't use it. The choice for "Other stores" is pretty much "slim pickings" for you now. You're going to have to update to Windows 10 some day to continue playing games on PC. There is no way around it.

Epic has NOT stopped support for Windows 7 at this time.

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c5719341124379/launcher-support-c5719357217435/system-requirements-for-the-epic-games-launcher-a5720223129627

And doing a search brings nothing about Windows 7 support being gone either.

Epic Store Client still runs on Windows 7.

At some point I wouldn't be shocked if Epic said they drop it this year at some point, or next year, they been on & off what they're doing with their client slow but getting there what they're doing from roadmap.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hobbit XIII:

Oprindeligt skrevet af WolfEisberg:

Epic has NOT stopped support for Windows 7 at this time.

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c5719341124379/launcher-support-c5719357217435/system-requirements-for-the-epic-games-launcher-a5720223129627

And doing a search brings nothing about Windows 7 support being gone either.

Epic Store Client still runs on Windows 7.

In your opinion what is the down side of using Epic?
And is there any benefit over GoG ?

Gog > all others if all you care about DRM free, with no need of client / launcher.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Oprindeligt skrevet af WolfEisberg:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Spawn of Totoro:

And with a peak of 32 million users today:

.75 percent of 32,000,000 = 240,000

Should use the total active users, not peak active users. out of total active users it would be ~ 1 million users. The question is how much revenue does Valve get from that ~ 1 million? My guess is not very much, not enough for continued support.

We don't have solid numbers for total users, only guesses by 3rd parties. I was using a proven, solid number, not pulling them out my rear.

Oprindeligt skrevet af WolfEisberg:

Oprindeligt skrevet af 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

And then you are going to find out very soon that this is not an option. Rockstar games' launcher, Ubisoft launcher, Battle.net game launcher, and Epic Games all already completely ended support for Windows 7. Can not open them. Will not launch. Can't use it. The choice for "Other stores" is pretty much "slim pickings" for you now. You're going to have to update to Windows 10 some day to continue playing games on PC. There is no way around it.

Epic has NOT stopped support for Windows 7 at this time.

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c5719341124379/launcher-support-c5719357217435/system-requirements-for-the-epic-games-launcher-a5720223129627

And doing a search brings nothing about Windows 7 support being gone either.

Epic Store Client still runs on Windows 7.

https://www.pcgamer.com/fortnite-drops-windows-7-and-8-support/

Epic dropped support for Windows 7 and 8 is Fortnite. It really isn't much of a stretch to think they will do the same with the Epic Store too. After all, they have announce they will maintain support either and you know Tim Sweeney would jump at any chance to "one up" Valve, so if there were plans to keep support, they would have said so.

So while it does currently support Windows 7, that doesn't mean they won't stop in the future, then those who went to Epic for Windows 7 support will be in the same boat all over again.

[WolfEisberg]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Spawn of Totoro:

We don't have solid numbers for total users, only guesses by 3rd parties. I was using a proven, solid number, not pulling them out my rear.

in 2021 Valve stated 132 Million monthly active users

https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/3133946090937137590

in 2022 Valve stated there was growth, though no number shared https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/3677786186779762807

So know they have at least 132 Million active users, using official data.

https://www.pcgamer.com/fortnite-drops-windows-7-and-8-support/

Epic dropped support for Windows 7 and 8 is Fortnite. It really isn't much of a stretch to think they will do the same with the Epic Store too. After all, they have announce they will maintain support either and you know Tim Sweeney would jump at any chance to "one up" Valve, so if there were plans to keep support, they would have said so.

So while it does currently support Windows 7, that doesn't mean they won't stop in the future, then those who went to Epic for Windows 7 support will be in the same boat all over again.

The point of my comment was to someone that was claiming support was already gone and that the client will not run on Windows 7 at all right now, I was correcting their false information they were sharing.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Hobbit XIII:

Sorry mate, I cannot read all that great wall of text you wrote in that line and a half.

So you openly admitted that you are intentionally writing comments so it looks like you are a mean jerk to others on purpose. At least we know now.