non productive steam Users who shoot down Suggestions

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Noticing a few individuals on steam who can't seem to offer positive idea's to the suggestion forums. they seem to attack individuals frequently. What is the point of a Suggestion forum that is plagued by Counter productive messages from steam Trolls that attack other users.

It seems extremely odd, and i am noticing that the level in which they appear on forums is extremely high, one would question the impact these individuals have on steam forums and how they seem to be at a loss of control over the many suggestions that take place on steam.

I noticed the appear often when questions fall into the Internal Working of steams policy and how they effect users.

Steam users need to consider that these individuals are part of steam , paid by steam, or not they are working for steam in some way shape or form to try and hinder the community from having a Voice of its own to help steam evolve into a better platform.

[HikariLight]

How about that far too many suggestions are not well thought out, have been brought up hundreds of times already, or are just plain bad.
This is just a dumping ground that support sends people to because support doesn't handle anything outside of account and billing issues.
Many people forget that Steam is not some social media site that if you yell enough you get your way, if you don't like how things are, no one said you had to stay.

[Boblin the Goblin]

I say we should worry about users who have stated their sole purpose is to keep creating accounts to troll Steam and get banned.

Once that gets taken care of, then we can worry about the 'users paid by Steam' conspiracy.

[nullable]

Certain ideas, complaints, opinions aren't immune from different opinions or perspectives because they were posted on the Suggestions forum. And it's not as if contrary opinions prevent Valve from acting on items.

Trying to frame contrary users as shills really imagines that "gamers" are some kind of united group that's being undermined by a boogeyman of your own invention. No, some users are just prolific posters. Some users have seen the same half-baked ideas repeatedly and aren't bothered to repeat previous arguments in response to unoriginal/repeated posts. A lot of things about Valve's internal workings aren't going to be rocket science or inscrutable. Some users have experience with software development or all sorts of retail/customer service experience and sometimes that's going to be extremely applicable to Steam.

If you really believe Valve is paying people to run interference on this forum, that would be deliberate and malicious on their part and the problem isn't with the users you're trying to vilify, it would be with Valve itself. It would also be Valve's best kept secret.

[Aachen]

So the suggestion is what? “Arbitrarily prevent some subset of users with which one specific user has an issue from participation?”

This “everyone whom I dislike is a shill” is very familiar …. somehow.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Messaggio originale di SlowMango:

I say we should worry about users who have stated their sole purpose is to keep creating accounts to troll Steam and get banned.

Once that gets taken care of, then we can worry about the 'users paid by Steam' conspiracy.

Yeah, is OP who I think it is? Lol

[Boblin the Goblin]

Messaggio originale di Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Messaggio originale di SlowMango:

I say we should worry about users who have stated their sole purpose is to keep creating accounts to troll Steam and get banned.

Once that gets taken care of, then we can worry about the 'users paid by Steam' conspiracy.

Yeah, is OP who I think it is? Lol

The one and only.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Messaggio originale di SlowMango:

Messaggio originale di Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Yeah, is OP who I think it is? Lol

The one and only.

Guess too many people caught on with all the "unicorn" themed names/alts. Now he's shooting to "blend in" a bit better. Idk.

[Psymon²]

Messaggio originale di SuperGamer:

Noticing a few individuals on steam who can't seem to offer positive idea's to the suggestion forums. they seem to attack individuals frequently. What is the point of a Suggestion forum that is plagued by Counter productive messages from steam Trolls that attack other users.

It seems extremely odd, and i am noticing that the level in which they appear on forums is extremely high, one would question the impact these individuals have on steam forums and how they seem to be at a loss of control over the many suggestions that take place on steam.

I noticed the appear often when questions fall into the Internal Working of steams policy and how they effect users.

Steam users need to consider that these individuals are part of steam , paid by steam, or not they are working for steam in some way shape or form to try and hinder the community from having a Voice of its own to help steam evolve into a better platform.

accurate observation.

abandon all hope ye who enter.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Messaggio originale di Psymon²:

Messaggio originale di SuperGamer:

Noticing a few individuals on steam who can't seem to offer positive idea's to the suggestion forums. they seem to attack individuals frequently. What is the point of a Suggestion forum that is plagued by Counter productive messages from steam Trolls that attack other users.

It seems extremely odd, and i am noticing that the level in which they appear on forums is extremely high, one would question the impact these individuals have on steam forums and how they seem to be at a loss of control over the many suggestions that take place on steam.

I noticed the appear often when questions fall into the Internal Working of steams policy and how they effect users.

Steam users need to consider that these individuals are part of steam , paid by steam, or not they are working for steam in some way shape or form to try and hinder the community from having a Voice of its own to help steam evolve into a better platform.

accurate observation.

abandon all hope ye who enter.

You say this on any thread that complains about other users.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Someone shooting down a suggestion, doesn't mean anything. If it's a valid suggestion, it gets noted. I suggested that the 20-year badge be unique and looky here.

[cinedine]

Messaggio originale di nullable:

Certain ideas, complaints, opinions aren't immune from different opinions or perspectives because they were posted on the Suggestions forum. And it's not as if contrary opinions prevent Valve from acting on items.

Messaggio originale di HikariLight:

Many people forget that Steam is not some social media site that if you yell enough you get your way, if you don't like how things are, no one said you had to stay.

So why post? If an idea is so obviously bad, why do people feel the need to tell others instead of just ignoring? If it's not a social media site, why do people feel they need to engage and give their two cents if doesn't matter?
To feel superiror? Especially when people start to dogpile and try to put the TC down or outright bait them into getting banned if they notice they are invested into their idea and start to defend it.
It's only to stir up ♥♥♥♥ and cause drama.

Same BS as people posting in the VAC forum to give their "advise".

Messaggio originale di nullable:

If you really believe Valve is paying people to run interference on this forum, that would be deliberate and malicious on their part and the problem isn't with the users you're trying to vilify, it would be with Valve itself. It would also be Valve's best kept secret.

That's not at all what they are saying. By putting people down you ensure that they are discouraged to make further suggestions or engage in the community and make this a better place. The idea they present might be bad (to you), but the next one might be a worthwhile addition. Just, you know, you don't get to hear them anymore because they don't bother.
There was a reason why fourchan had anonymous posts when they started: to prevent exactly this kind. Every post was judged by its content and not "uh, it's this guy again" and every post was a new opportunity for the creator.

and now watch how this argument is considered invalid because "uuh, fourchan"

[Kargor]

I wouldn't bother with the "Suggestion" forum; Valve added it so users think they can make suggestions and Valve will look at them, but they really won't.

[nullable]

Messaggio originale di cinedine:

Messaggio originale di nullable:

Certain ideas, complaints, opinions aren't immune from different opinions or perspectives because they were posted on the Suggestions forum. And it's not as if contrary opinions prevent Valve from acting on items.

Messaggio originale di HikariLight:

Many people forget that Steam is not some social media site that if you yell enough you get your way, if you don't like how things are, no one said you had to stay.

So why post? If an idea is so obviously bad, why do people feel the need to tell others instead of just ignoring? If it's not a social media site, why do people feel they need to engage and give their two cents if doesn't matter?
To feel superiror? Especially when people start to dogpile and try to put the TC down or outright bait them into getting banned if they notice they are invested into their idea and start to defend it.
It's only to stir up ♥♥♥♥ and cause drama.

Same BS as people posting in the VAC forum to give their "advise".

Why did you post? You've got two cents? Imagine that.

At any rate the problem with ignoring bad ideas is only people who agree will respond. And they'll all assume since no one disagreed everyone agrees. It'll be used to justify the beliefs, and it's not like they'll get a clue and discover for themselves their ideas aren't being addressed because they're bad ideas.

Someone's going to say something at some point. If I happen to be around I don't have a problem with it being me. If your bad idea can't stand up to scrutiny that's certainly an invention to get better acquainted with the subject, address the criticisms and come back with something that might have merit.

Messaggio originale di cinedine:

Messaggio originale di nullable:

If you really believe Valve is paying people to run interference on this forum, that would be deliberate and malicious on their part and the problem isn't with the users you're trying to vilify, it would be with Valve itself. It would also be Valve's best kept secret.

That's not at all what they are saying. By putting people down you ensure that they are discouraged to make further suggestions or engage in the community and make this a better place. The idea they present might be bad (to you), but the next one might be a worthwhile addition. Just, you know, you don't get to hear them anymore because they don't bother.
There was a reason why fourchan had anonymous posts when they started: to prevent exactly this kind. Every post was judged by its content and not "uh, it's this guy again" and every post was a new opportunity for the creator.

Oh?

Messaggio originale di SuperGamer:

Steam users need to consider that these individuals are part of steam , paid by steam, or not they are working for steam in some way shape or form to try and hinder the community from having a Voice of its own to help steam evolve into a better platform.

Am I misreading this paragraph or are you? I know what I'm talking about, but I am interested in seeing your interpretation of what reads to me as a pretty explicit accusation.

[Nx Machina]

Messaggio originale di cinedine:

So why post?

The Suggestion and Ideas forum is a "Discussion Forum" hence replies are permitted.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

If we wanna weed out non-productive users, we can weed out users who can't keep to one account due to ban evasion, could we not?