No good new RPGs

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I'm not gate keeping a genre, being part of a genre says nothing of the quality of your game. Its totally irrelevant. Genres however do need to be accurate and mean something. When you put games where you can actually role play and games where you cant under the RPG genre you basically end up with a meaningless definition.

I dont care if anyone thinks I am weird. People tend to thing things are weird when it doesnt align with their view on things. But from an objective perspective, if something like daggerfall is an RPG then something like Cyberpunk 2077 cant be.

I would argue Skyrim for instance is borderline an RPG because of how basically none of the quest lines really allow for character expression. But a lot of side quests can and also the fact you can approach the gameplay from so many directions based on how you set up your build. I dont have any interest in starfeild, the setting doesnt really pull me in.

You ARE gatekeeping. You're deciding that your opinion is the correct one and nobody else gets to be in the "RPG" category if they don't meet your very specific criteria.

And, I don't know why you tlak about the quality of a game, I certainly never brought that up. Of COURSE the genre says nothing about the quality of the game.

Daggerfall and CP2077 can ABSOLUTELY both be RPGs, as is Skyrim. They are narratiive driven, open world with character creation, experience & levels, build pathways, branching storylines, with missions/quests and so on. Yet, they are nothing like Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Final Fantasy, Knights of the Old Republic, World of Warcraft, Disco Elesium, Mass Effect, Wizardry, Ultima, I could go on and on. These are all role playing games, and they are all different from each other.

As I said you have your own preference for what YOU want in a role playing game. Maybe you should list some of the games that fit your list of requirements from earlier, to at least give an idea of what games meet your preference for an RPG?

In Cyberpunk you are always V. They character has a set character set out by the fact its voice acted. So right there almost any RP get broken.


Skyrim and Daggerfall are actually RPGs.

I've listed the main preference. I want to be able to role play in them. That requires total agency over who and what my character is. That requires the ability to join groups that fit my character, do quests that fit my character in a way that my character would. If any of these are broken it's not an RPG.

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Here is a list of what I want.

3D with a realistic world, nothing over stylised and no cartoon rubbish.
First person real time combat.
Class creation.
Character creation.
Open world.
Side quests.
Multiple factions to join.
Preferably silent protagonist.

Except for the factions and the real time combat, this is word for word Baldur's Gate 3.

What I really think you are looking for is games like Fallout 4. Those games are not RPGs. You're not looking at the right place for what you want if that's the actual problem.

Correct FO4 is not an RPG. The main protagonist is voice acted and has a clear personality. No room for RP at all. Something like daggerfall is.

I am looking in the exact right place. I just want something with some size and scale. Not something tiny like BG3.

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You ARE gatekeeping. You're deciding that your opinion is the correct one and nobody else gets to be in the "RPG" category if they don't meet your very specific criteria.

And, I don't know why you tlak about the quality of a game, I certainly never brought that up. Of COURSE the genre says nothing about the quality of the game.

Daggerfall and CP2077 can ABSOLUTELY both be RPGs, as is Skyrim. They are narratiive driven, open world with character creation, experience & levels, build pathways, branching storylines, with missions/quests and so on. Yet, they are nothing like Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Final Fantasy, Knights of the Old Republic, World of Warcraft, Disco Elesium, Mass Effect, Wizardry, Ultima, I could go on and on. These are all role playing games, and they are all different from each other.

As I said you have your own preference for what YOU want in a role playing game. Maybe you should list some of the games that fit your list of requirements from earlier, to at least give an idea of what games meet your preference for an RPG?

In Cyberpunk you are always V. They character has a set character set out by the fact its voice acted. So right there almost any RP get broken.


Skyrim and Daggerfall are actually RPGs.

I've listed the main preference. I want to be able to role play in them. That requires total agency over who and what my character is. That requires the ability to join groups that fit my character, do quests that fit my character in a way that my character would. If any of these are broken it's not an RPG.

You are dismissing every single other RPG based soley on the fact that they have a pre-set character. You're basing the entire genre on one specific aspect. That makes as much sense as people saying CP2077 is not a RPG - not because it's a pre-set character, but because it's 1st person so you don't see the character you created. (yes, I have seen that argument before.) It makes as much sense as claiming Eye of the Beholder wasn't a RPG because it wasn't open world.

In truth there are dozens of RPG types, but there is so much overlap and so many varying opinions that it makes more sense just to call them all RPG. You are 100% free to have your own definition of what the genre means, as long as you're able to accept that it would be nearly universally considered wrong by the gaming community and industry, and it would leave only an extremely small selection of what you consider proper RPGs.

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In Cyberpunk you are always V. They character has a set character set out by the fact its voice acted. So right there almost any RP get broken.


Skyrim and Daggerfall are actually RPGs.

I've listed the main preference. I want to be able to role play in them. That requires total agency over who and what my character is. That requires the ability to join groups that fit my character, do quests that fit my character in a way that my character would. If any of these are broken it's not an RPG.

Uhm, that's the limitation of computer games.
In Skyrim I also don't have full control and I am limited to the game mechanics and dialogue choices. I am the master of all guilds, favourite of all deadra princes and hero of the people. Yet I cannot kill the guy who started the civil war ursup the country and march on Cyrodiil nor can I wage war on Summerset and re-instate Talos to the divine pantheon. I can't even leave Skyrim despite being able to ride a freaking dragon. Also as an accomplished smith and woodworker I am unable to join a trade guild. Or found one for craftsmen.
As a criminal I have no choice to either flee or fight guards or pay off my bounty in whole. I cannot bribe or threaten a single guard to ignore me.

There are so many limitations, it gets ridiculous if that is your reasoning to call one an RPG but not the other.