Taking away OS support, Takes away our games. Dont do it!

[SnakeWildlife]

This move is abhorrent and out of touch with Steams users, let alone the LEGAL implications.

If you take away support for these operating systems, you take away games which are only compatible with those operating systems, from my library. Im a retro gamer so i play a LOT of old games which are incompatible with Windows 10 and above.

@Gabe Newell, please come to your senses on this one, this is the WRONG WAY to enhance the Steam Client.

Are you going to refund all the games in my library which are for older operating systems, or is your plan simply to pluck away my ability to play the games iv paid for? This cannot be legal. It is Sabotage.

Please stop the *Compatability Catastrophe* that is going to happen in 2024. I never wanted to downgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10, i was forced by DirectX discontinuation (even though 7 should have no problems supporting modern directx and games) and that has meant a lot of my library doesnt work.

By continuing to sell games that will not work , in most western nations this counts as a Sale of Defective Goods, which is illegal. When my working games are made non-functional by you, Microsoft or Google, this is a Sabotage of Goods and a breach of the Consumer Rights Act and Sale of Goods Act.

Im not a legal expert... and I hate to bring it up because i have always been on the side of Valve...but if this creates some kind of class action lawsuit, you either owe everybody the games you have disabled people from playing, which they have purchased, or you stop this AWFUL plan to discontinue OS support. I honestly believe you should not, and cannot be allowed to get away with such an anticonsumer move. There are so many things which Proton will never be able to fix.

This is the worst possible thing i could ever see Valve/Gabe going ahead with...so please, you have to undo this terrible decision whilst you still can. It's not right.

You are pushing people into believing physical copies of games are the only way to keep their games...but because of Securom we cant even do that. When you make it inconvenient for us to keep the games we have purchased, you may be forcing people into the piracy route, or as they may see it "Rightful reclamation of a purchased game".

If this goes ahead, i and many others won't have any choice, we will be shoved forcefully off of Steam in order to preserve compatability by any means necassary, and go download the games we purchased, i personally will go back to Physical storage, because that will be the only thing i can trust. The Disk/Disc/Cartridge/Drive In MY physical possession and in MY hand seems to be the only thing i can trust. *Physical copy, that i own and you cant steal away.*


VALVE, GABE, Please dont do this. Turn around.

Many of us have laid our full trust, and we have laid our massive game libraries, in you ....and this is how you're going to behave?
Do you believe that old games have no purpose to exist at all and you should disable our ownership of them by Compatability Disabling?
*That is not for you to decide!*
These games are NOT breaking because they are faulty. YOU are purposefully taking actions which lead to my games no longer working.
*YOU ARE DAMAGING MY GOODS*, which again, is ILLEGAL.

Please Gabe, i hope you're reading this....we need you to act, to change this around and find a solution! We need you to respond! Please dont do this!

I guess if you're going ahead with this, i should just refund this steam deck. If i cant trust you, i dont want it in my hands.

Now that i have my plea out there....lets talk about the Future.
Just drop Google and Microsoft dependancy with your software, GO FULL OPEN SOURCE with your Browser. Here's an idea:

Contact or even Hire the staff at Firefox instead, this is Steams opportunity to become peoples main internet explorer, and NOT have to disable compatabilities.

Degoogle yourself. Demicrosoft yourself. Keep compatability maximized. Rip out what isnt Valve's, and hire people who can replace what you lost. Everybodies happy, and you gain a massive market share of adrev that can be generated from becoming a prime Browser competitor in the field.

You have a Window here to fix everybodies worries....and GAIN massively from it. Dont shutdown OS support and do the possibly WORST thing you could ever do in 2024.

[Kenpoleon Bonaparte]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Vanythe:

I miss PC games on discs with a simple CD-key and voila :(

Back then: Thanks for buying this game. Enjoy it.
Now: You will own nothing and be happy!!

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ragefifty50:

steam stats...

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

I find it highly amusing that the amount of people using Win 7 64-bit is approximately 4 times the amount of people using Win 8.1 64-bit.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Spawn of Totoro:

You would also have to overcome the SSA you agreed to, where you acknowledged and agreed that Steam can be updated and the system requirements can change. Then there is the arbitration clause and the no class action clause.

Actually... SSA's, EULA's, arbitration clauses, no-class-action clauses, no-compete-job clauses, NDA's, and all other things of similar nature are merely intimidation tactics. Over the last 5 to 7 years, courts have majorly and increasingly been voiding them and/or ruling against them under the concept that a legal contract can NOT make you sign away your Constitutional rights.

[ShelLuser]

Could you please re-direct this to your online bank for not willing to serve you?

Would you wager your life savings on all this? If not... why would Steam do so?

Oh, sorry: that's "different" of course :P

[SnakeWildlife]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kenpoleon Bonaparte:

I find it highly amusing that the amount of people using Win 7 64-bit is approximately 4 times the amount of people using Win 8.1 64-bit.

I never wanted to downgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10, i was forced to by DirectX discontinuation (even though Windows 7 with UserMade hacky versions of DirectX proves that Windows 7 CAN support modern directx and games) and that has meant a lot of my library doesnt work. Purely Microsoft Sabotage.

Windows 10, which sadly i am forced to use, is a piece of trash. It hardly runs old games, and it's Compatability mode, has failed me every single time.

[Crazy Tiger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SnakeWildlife:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kenpoleon Bonaparte:

I find it highly amusing that the amount of people using Win 7 64-bit is approximately 4 times the amount of people using Win 8.1 64-bit.

I never wanted to downgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10, i was forced to by DirectX discontinuation (even though Windows 7 with UserMade hacky versions of DirectX proves that Windows 7 CAN support modern directx and games) and that has meant a lot of my library doesnt work.

Windows 10, which sadly i am forced to use, is a piece of trash. It hardly runs old games, and it's Compatability mode, has failed me every single time.

That must be a bunch of special games you have, then. I play loads of old games, mostly disc based even, and I rarely ran into a game that doesn't work on Win 10. The games that did give issues were games using SafeDisc/SecuRom, but for those there are workarounds. Some older games did require installing of really old drivers (like EAX stuff and such) or use of DosBox, but that's to be expected.

[SnakeWildlife]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Crazy Tiger:

The games that did give issues were games using SafeDisc/SecuRom, but for those there are workarounds. Some older games did require installing of really old drivers (like EAX stuff and such) or use of DosBox, but that's to be expected.

Why should WE need to create (mostly illegal) 'Workarounds'.

Both ways, US fixing games, and THEM breaking them, is a breach of Steams and [Insert Game Publisher] ToS both ways.

I dont want to have to become a Criminal in the eyes of the legal system, in order to get a game i own to work.

[Your Mom's Oshi]

Crying about this will get you nowhere. Microsoft ended support for 7. Google ended Chrome support for 7. Steam is based on Chrome so it's unsafe to continue support for 7. Do you really not understand this?

[Cray]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Idontexist:

Crying about this will get you nowhere. Microsoft ended support for 7. Google ended Chrome support for 7. Steam is based on Chrome so it's unsafe to continue support for 7. Do you really not understand this?

It's easy: stop using a browser to make a desktop app. because it's garbage development.

:)

srs tho, the framework is crap, embedded chrome for gui is crap. buggy, sluggish, terrible ui. replete with bugs, constantly, new ones come in as fast as old ones go out. lots of them due to chrome base.

if their reason for discontinuing support is the underlying framework, they could kill two birds with one stone by switching to something just as simple, but far more stable, functional, performant and less resource intensive, like Qt. works on every platform too, but also actually works.

it's not hard to develop multi-platform native with a decent budget. it's just lazy devs. prove me wrong.

[CEO OF XXX]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cray:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Idontexist:

Crying about this will get you nowhere. Microsoft ended support for 7. Google ended Chrome support for 7. Steam is based on Chrome so it's unsafe to continue support for 7. Do you really not understand this?

It's easy: stop using a browser to make a desktop app. because it's garbage development.

:)

srs tho, the framework is crap, embedded chrome for gui is crap. buggy, sluggish, terrible ui. replete with bugs, constantly, new ones come in as fast as old ones go out. lots of them due to chrome base.

if their reason for discontinuing support is the underlying framework, they could kill two birds with one stone by switching to something just as simple, but far more stable, functional, performant and less resource intensive, like Qt. works on every platform too, but also actually works.

it's not hard to develop multi-platform native with a decent budget. it's just lazy devs. prove me wrong.

It really is. steam is some of the worst and slowest ui i have ever seen constantly bugging out regardless of what OS it is on since one of my family members runs it on windows 10. It's even garbagely slow on mobile app too.

sacrificing millions of users for chromium garbage is really shameful, Gabe really has fallen so low....

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Most all my games i had on steam i had on win 7 and they still run great on win 10.

[CEO OF XXX]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SnakeFist:

Most all my games i had on steam i had on win 7 and they still run great on win 10.

And all my games I have which the mimimum requirement is Windows 10 run great on Windows 7.

[N ä r û t Ø]

csgo 2.0 not running

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย #SaveWindows7&8Users:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SnakeFist:

Most all my games i had on steam i had on win 7 and they still run great on win 10.

And all my games I have which the mimimum requirement is Windows 10 run great on Windows 7.

Odd, most of the Win10 games I had couldn't run at all on Win7. Period. However my entire library works pretty well on Win10.

[CEO OF XXX]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Leonardo Da Pinchi:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย #SaveWindows7&8Users:

And all my games I have which the mimimum requirement is Windows 10 run great on Windows 7.

Odd, most of the Win10 games I had couldn't run at all on Win7. Period. However my entire library works pretty well on Win10.

What games are those? Any game that doesn't require DX12 can run on Windows 7 and 8.
I play Dead by Daylight, Conan Exiles, Monster Hunter Stories 2, Scum, Sea of Thieves, GUILTY GEAR -STRIVE-, and some others I can't remember.

Of course more and more games are using DX12 so less and less become actually unplayable on Windows 7/8, but it's still not all of them thankfully and it's mostly only triple A games which usually suck anyways. Only game I couldn't play without third-party stuff is Elden Ring and Monster Hunter Rise which both became playable with third-party fix.

[Dude]

Why should I lose access to my library, to my games that I paid for, just because someone decides to release an update and stop supporting these operating systems?

[Kenpoleon Bonaparte]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dude:

Why should I lose access to my library, to my games that I paid for, just because someone decides to release an update and stop supporting these operating systems?

EULA's have been around for a good 30 years now. So, unfortunately, you didn't pay to own those games. You paid for a license to play/use those games. If you don't want to update your system (and I don't either), then you lose your license to play those games.