Taking away OS support, Takes away our games. Dont do it!

[SnakeWildlife]

This move is abhorrent and out of touch with Steams users, let alone the LEGAL implications.

If you take away support for these operating systems, you take away games which are only compatible with those operating systems, from my library. Im a retro gamer so i play a LOT of old games which are incompatible with Windows 10 and above.

@Gabe Newell, please come to your senses on this one, this is the WRONG WAY to enhance the Steam Client.

Are you going to refund all the games in my library which are for older operating systems, or is your plan simply to pluck away my ability to play the games iv paid for? This cannot be legal. It is Sabotage.

Please stop the *Compatability Catastrophe* that is going to happen in 2024. I never wanted to downgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10, i was forced by DirectX discontinuation (even though 7 should have no problems supporting modern directx and games) and that has meant a lot of my library doesnt work.

By continuing to sell games that will not work , in most western nations this counts as a Sale of Defective Goods, which is illegal. When my working games are made non-functional by you, Microsoft or Google, this is a Sabotage of Goods and a breach of the Consumer Rights Act and Sale of Goods Act.

Im not a legal expert... and I hate to bring it up because i have always been on the side of Valve...but if this creates some kind of class action lawsuit, you either owe everybody the games you have disabled people from playing, which they have purchased, or you stop this AWFUL plan to discontinue OS support. I honestly believe you should not, and cannot be allowed to get away with such an anticonsumer move. There are so many things which Proton will never be able to fix.

This is the worst possible thing i could ever see Valve/Gabe going ahead with...so please, you have to undo this terrible decision whilst you still can. It's not right.

You are pushing people into believing physical copies of games are the only way to keep their games...but because of Securom we cant even do that. When you make it inconvenient for us to keep the games we have purchased, you may be forcing people into the piracy route, or as they may see it "Rightful reclamation of a purchased game".

If this goes ahead, i and many others won't have any choice, we will be shoved forcefully off of Steam in order to preserve compatability by any means necassary, and go download the games we purchased, i personally will go back to Physical storage, because that will be the only thing i can trust. The Disk/Disc/Cartridge/Drive In MY physical possession and in MY hand seems to be the only thing i can trust. *Physical copy, that i own and you cant steal away.*


VALVE, GABE, Please dont do this. Turn around.

Many of us have laid our full trust, and we have laid our massive game libraries, in you ....and this is how you're going to behave?
Do you believe that old games have no purpose to exist at all and you should disable our ownership of them by Compatability Disabling?
*That is not for you to decide!*
These games are NOT breaking because they are faulty. YOU are purposefully taking actions which lead to my games no longer working.
*YOU ARE DAMAGING MY GOODS*, which again, is ILLEGAL.

Please Gabe, i hope you're reading this....we need you to act, to change this around and find a solution! We need you to respond! Please dont do this!

I guess if you're going ahead with this, i should just refund this steam deck. If i cant trust you, i dont want it in my hands.

Now that i have my plea out there....lets talk about the Future.
Just drop Google and Microsoft dependancy with your software, GO FULL OPEN SOURCE with your Browser. Here's an idea:

Contact or even Hire the staff at Firefox instead, this is Steams opportunity to become peoples main internet explorer, and NOT have to disable compatabilities.

Degoogle yourself. Demicrosoft yourself. Keep compatability maximized. Rip out what isnt Valve's, and hire people who can replace what you lost. Everybodies happy, and you gain a massive market share of adrev that can be generated from becoming a prime Browser competitor in the field.

You have a Window here to fix everybodies worries....and GAIN massively from it. Dont shutdown OS support and do the possibly WORST thing you could ever do in 2024.

[Kunovega]

Nuri eredeti hozzászólása:

SnakeWildlife eredeti hozzászólása:

This move is abhorrent and out of touch with Steams users, let alone the LEGAL implications.

If you take away support for these operating systems, you take away games which are only compatible with those operating systems, from my library. Im a retro gamer so i play a LOT of old games which are incompatible with Windows 10 and above.

@Gabe Newell, please come to your senses on this one, this is the WRONG WAY to enhance the Steam Client.

Are you going to refund all the games in my library which are for older operating systems, or is your plan simply to pluck away my ability to play the games iv paid for? This cannot be legal. It is Sabotage.

Please stop the *Compatability Catastrophe* that is going to happen in 2024. I never wanted to downgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10, i was forced by DirectX discontinuation (even though 7 should have no problems supporting modern directx and games) and that has meant a lot of my library doesnt work.

By continuing to sell games that will not work , in most western nations this counts as a Sale of Defective Goods, which is illegal. When my working games are made non-functional by you, Microsoft or Google, this is a Sabotage of Goods and a breach of the Consumer Rights Act and Sale of Goods Act.

Im not a legal expert... and I hate to bring it up because i have always been on the side of Valve...but if this creates some kind of class action lawsuit, you either owe everybody the games you have disabled people from playing, which they have purchased, or your stop this AWFUL plan to discontinue OS support. I honestly believe you should not, and cannot be allowed to get away with such an anticonsumer move. There are so many things which Proton will never be able to fix.

This is the worst possible thing i could ever see Valve/Gabe going ahead with...so please, you have to undo this terrible decision whilst you still can. It's not right.

You are pushing people into believing physical copies of games are the only way to keep their games...but because of Securom we cant even do that. When you make it inconvenient for us to keep the games we have purchased, you may be forcing people into the piracy route, or as they may see it "Rightful reclamation of a purchased game".

If this goes ahead, i and many others won't have any choice, we will be shoved forcefully off of Steam in order to preserve compatability by any means necassary, and go download the games we purchased, i personally will go back to Physical storage, because that will be the only thing i can trust. The Disc In My Hand seems to be the only thing i can trust.


VALVE, GABE, Please dont do this. Turn around.

Many of us have laid our full trust, and we have laid our massive game libraries, in you ....and this is how you're going to behave?
Do you believe that old games have no purpose to exist at all and you should disable our ownership of them by Compatability Disabling?
*That is not for you to decide!*
These games are NOT breaking because they are faulty. YOU are purposefully taking actions which lead to my games no longer working.
*YOU ARE DAMAGING MY GOODS*, which again, is ILLEGAL.

Please Gabe, i hope you're reading this....we need you to act, to change this around and find a solution! We need you to respond! Please dont do this!

I guess if you're going ahead with this, i should just refund this steam deck. If i cant trust you, i dont want it in my hands.

Now that i have my plea out there....lets talk about the Future.
Just drop Google and Microsoft dependancy with your software, GO FULL OPEN SOURCE with your Browser. Here's an idea:

Contact or even Hire the staff at Firefox instead, this is Steams opportunity to become peoples main internet explorer, and NOT have to disable compatabilities.

Degoogle yourself. Demicrosoft yourself. Keep compatability maximized. Rip out what isnt Valve's, and hire people who can replace what you lost. Everybodies happy, and you gain a massive market share of adrev that can be generated from becoming a prime Browser competitor in the field.

You have a Window here to fix everybodies worries....and GAIN massively from it. Dont shutdown OS support and do the possibly WORST thing you could ever do in 2024.

Well said, honestly I'm convinced precisely nobody in whatever passes for Valve's legal department gave this plan a once over, because it's basically a giant "PLEASE SUE ME" sign over their heads.
I refuse flat out to be stolen from like this. At least a house burglar has the decency to be ashamed enough to be sneaky while they steal my belongings.

Except they aren't stealing anything from you.

You don't need steam to launch most games and even if you did, the games are still yours and waiting to be played whenever you bother to get hardware capable of running it.

[SnakeWildlife]

Kenpoleon Bonaparte eredeti hozzászólása:

Personally, I don't even see what Win7 brought to the party. If I had my way, I would still be using WinXP.

Windows XP for sure, was the KING of 32Bit systems
Windows 7, is the KING of 64Bit. Still is.

We are forced against our will onto W10 by Microsoft, but i cannot stand every fibre of this OS. Why on earth do i want 3 different sets of control panels when the original had everything.

Theres no Innovation, only frustration and falsified software limitations. The code and menu's have become a total spaghetti mess!

Non of it is legal.
Microsoft sabotage far too much of OUR pc's with their Locks and Limits to which previously, there wasnt any.

Limits used to be based on, You Hardware. NOW, Microsoft is using Software to lock you out of using the full functional ability of YOUR computer.

[Satai_Delenn]

Zefar eredeti hozzászólása:

Hyeonmu eredeti hozzászólása:

Really? I've had to turn off Windows Defender, which won't entirely turn off unless you go round-about with it, just to get some games to run.

The only time I see Windows defender doing anything is when it asks if I want to open up ports for public when I start a game.
But other than that it hasn't done anything to stop me from playing my games.

Hyeonmu eredeti hozzászólása:

I didn't specifically need regedit for my mother's computer. I want to be able to use reg edit for my own. I use it for games that are being tricky, avoiding hours of reinstalling software that only had a registry file do an oopsy with the name etc. Even if it's not something I do all of the time, I want to be able to do it. Like how I want to be able to get into my fuse box easily even though I don't expect to be using it on the daily.

Well you can still head into Regedit but so far on Win10 I haven't needed to use it once I believe. I've played some old games too.

Hyeonmu eredeti hozzászólása:

But, as it happens, I did need it for her computer in the end. Re-installing and reverting wasn't working, and it barely runs. It came with Windows 10 pre-installed, it shouldn't be the hardware. The only solution I had after hours of trying other things meant going into regedit.
I don't remember the specifics - I put it and the frustrations away 4 years ago.

This I don't buy. When I installed Win10 on a SSD it was pretty straight forward.
Install it, go through the first menus and once I was at the login screen I typed in my username and password.

Done. No hassle. It just worked right away. For Win11 I just upgraded and it has worked just fine as well. Didn't even bother with any updated drivers for anything.

Hyeonmu eredeti hozzászólása:

But just interacting with basic features irritates me, finding the control panel or basic functions like, say, the calculator. One will turn up if searched for but not in the start menu, another I need to go through the start menu but won't show up when searched for. I'd believe it was just transition issues, if it wasn't so easy for me to go back and use an older operating system. (I play some old games that refuse compatibility mode.)

The first time I installed Windows 10 it even locked me out entirely by suddenly claiming my password for my account was incorrect. I'd only been using it for two days. I've never had that happen on another operating system.

Seeing how you stated in your previous post that you hate smartphones and what not I can only guess it's because you refuse to learn.

If you want to find the calculator just type it into the start menu. Literally just open the start menu and start typing in the name of the program. Windows will find it.

Control panel is literally the 2:nd icon after you press it. It's shown as a small cogwheel.
On Win11 it's renamed to Settings but it keeps it Cogwheel icon.

During all of my time on win10 I have not had windows forget me. Even after I switched CPU and motherboard recently.

Not everybody WANTS the latest and NOT greatest. I don't have a Stupid phone either. I have a flip phone and if I didn't have to have it I wouldn't. I still have a landline with an answering machine and I LOVE it. I leave my cell in the car, and only take it into a store or restaurant if there is an emergency and I HAVE to have it on me. Otherwise, there is absolutely NO NEED for anybody to reach me 24/7. If the call is important enough, the person can call my HOME NUMBER and leave a message. Eventually, I will call them back. NOBODY NEEDS to be connected to their phone 24/7!
Why not just tattoo the thing to you so it's embedded INTO you?!
Geeze.
This is why I have a DESKTOP computer. I am FREE to go out and enjoy my LIFE and NOT be PERMANENTLY connected to a computer or phone. THIS is why I LOVE my Win7.

And to the person who commented that XP was better? YES, I wholeheartedly agree, but we were forced off of that, and Win7 was the next best option, and now they're TRYING to force us off of that. NO, I am NOT having it anymore! I am DONE! I am keeping my Win7! I am NOT going to let them FORCE me off of it!
I do not have Facebook. I do not have Twitter (it's for twits anyway). I don't do that instagram thing. I still READ REAL books! It's time people stop and ENJOY LIFE and live in REALITY (as in STOP with being sheep and letting Microsoft control you! THINK FOR YOURSELF!) If people would stop saying, "Well, that's just the way it is, and there's nothing you can do about it..." Oh yes there is! Stop BUYING into it! LITERALLY. Use your WALLET and say NO! I am NOT spending my money on this! I am putting my wallet away!

[TheReapersSpawn]

As more tech sector layoffs happen, I predict a lot of grunt work to be done by AI over time, to save costs. I'll sit back and laugh as hilarious unintended consequences happen, like giving the user more customization than the company wants to allow. Some of this is undoubtedly to do with the rise of not owning software and moving toward a subscription based system (online then irl). "But Windows 10 is free..." yeah but what happened to programs? They turned into more and more closed off apps/systems that are easier to monetize. (Bigger issue honestly being bloatware, even 7 is more bloated than it needs to be. Average pc users wouldn't know optimization if it hit them in the face)

Same people saying oh it's less secure (it technically is, see note), are the same people who blindly ignore "Why are VPNs being marketed everywhere if our data was so secure on a newer OS." or "How many large corporations with billions of dollars, are still defeated by hackers persistent enough to leak millions of peoples data?" People also never think that VPNs could easily be coded to cull only information that is specifically sensitive to get around the problem of data overload when governments are sifting through data. If Tor can be infiltrated you don't think VPNs can be specifically targeted? I mean... a lot of money from VPN companies fund intelligence agency programs. It makes too much sense for this not to be done, but I digress.

The tech industry and the game industry can't keep getting away with it.
(I had to... what I mean to say is they've been lying and overpromising for years at this point.)

This is exactly like the false promises of DX12. Are games more stable? Not really, it depends on the developer at the end of the day, as it always has. And they clearly prioritize rushed profit over first principles optimization from the ground level. A lot of the animosity toward Microsoft is from their history of business practices, retrogressions in features for power users in many areas, and the trend toward over-monetization of apps. Maybe if Microsoft released a sleek and truly optimized OS, we wouldn't be so harshly against an upgrade.

Note: Hackers tend toward the bigger/wealthier pools of people on the latest greatest systems. How many people would steal a 1984 88 Oldsmobile vs a 2023 Ferrari?

In the words of DMX "How much your watch cost? You bout to get your watch lost. If you flashing it, you must not want it."

I mean for the truly Machiavellian, they'd use this thread as a farming resource for Win7 users.
(Don't do it. Being bad is wrong. I'm not kidding boys. Be kind, rewind.)

[ELoyros]

This is bs, all those big companies forcing ♥♥♥♥ down our throat, this is basically a ultimatum, "you buy new windows or you don't play" am sick and tired of this ♥♥♥♥. Like leave us alone!

[Satai_Delenn]

TheReapersSpawn eredeti hozzászólása:

As more tech sector layoffs happen, I predict a lot of grunt work to be done by AI over time, to save costs. I'll sit back and laugh as hilarious unintended consequences happen, like giving the user more customization than the company wants to allow. Some of this is undoubtedly to do with the rise of not owning software and moving toward a subscription based system (online then irl). "But Windows 10 is free..." yeah but what happened to programs? They turned into more and more closed off apps/systems that are easier to monetize. (Bigger issue honestly being bloatware, even 7 is more bloated than it needs to be. Average pc users wouldn't know optimization if it hit them in the face)

Same people saying oh it's less secure (it technically is, see note), are the same people who blindly ignore "Why are VPNs being marketed everywhere if our data was so secure on a newer OS." or "How many large corporations with billions of dollars, are still defeated by hackers persistent enough to leak millions of peoples data?" People also never think that VPNs could easily be coded to cull only information that is specifically sensitive to get around the problem of data overload when governments are sifting through data. If Tor can be infiltrated you don't think VPNs can be specifically targeted? I mean... a lot of money from VPN companies fund intelligence agency programs. It makes too much sense for this not to be done, but I digress.

The tech industry and the game industry can't keep getting away with it.
(I had to... what I mean to say is they've been lying and overpromising for years at this point.)

This is exactly like the false promises of DX12. Are games more stable? Not really, it depends on the developer at the end of the day, as it always has. And they clearly prioritize rushed profit over first principles optimization from the ground level. A lot of the animosity toward Microsoft is from their history of business practices, retrogressions in features for power users in many areas, and the trend toward over-monetization of apps. Maybe if Microsoft released a sleek and truly optimized OS, we wouldn't be so harshly against an upgrade.

Note: Hackers tend toward the bigger/wealthier pools of people on the latest greatest systems. How many people would steal a 1984 88 Oldsmobile vs a 2023 Ferrari?

In the words of DMX "How much your watch cost? You bout to get your watch lost. If you flashing it, you must not want it."

I mean for the truly Machiavellian, they'd use this thread as a farming resource for Win7 users.
(Don't do it. Being bad is wrong. I'm not kidding boys. Be kind, rewind.) :scythe:

I hear what you're saying. I am NOT a tech person. I know NOTHING about computers. This is why I'm so antiquated. I fully admit it. But I also know that I do NOT want Win 10 or 11. I LOVE my OLD games. I don't need the latest shoot em up games. I don't like violent games. I love my pinball games. I like The Life & Suffering of Sir Brante. I love Big Klondike. I Still have The Sims 2 and University on DISC! I have Roller Coaster Tycoon Deluxe... ON DISC! I have a bunch of OLD GAMES ON DISC! They RUN just fine. I use my old Paint program. If I could find a way to BUY (not rent) Photoshop and get a disc version of it, I would. LOVE that program. I miss the OLD 3.5 FLOPPY version of World of Warcraft. That version was the BEST! Caesar II? That was the BEST version of that game Sierra EVER made! I came to Steam because they had so many OLD GAMES and you could run them on Win SEVEN. This was the draw for me. Now they're taking it away. Why? I'm still not sure I understand other than that they're just saying so. No other REAL REASON. They COULD still keep them accessible. They just don't WANT to.
And for those telling people like me that "You just don't want to learn." You're right, I don't. I'm 48 years old. My brain doesn't work that way. It isn't wired to work that way to accept those new phone thingies, or Win 10 or 11 and the weird way they're set up, or the FACT that they do NOT work properly and the FORCED upgrades which keep bogging down the system and take DAYS to finish downloading and installing.

Also, someone said that Defender doesn't work for them. My bad. It isn't Windows Defender. You're right. That hasn't worked for a LONG time. It's Microsoft Security Essentials. I keep forgetting which one is which. The point is, I have a anti-virus system on my computer which WORKS JUST FINE, and I have anti-malware, and anti-spyware, and I have all kinds of things to protect my system. My system is JUST FINE. Win 7 is JUST FINE. Just because Microsoft CHOOSES not to support it anymore, so what? That doesn't make it bad and that it should be dumped. That just means to me, it might actually be a little safer because the hackers want your Win 10 and 11 systems because that's where Microsoft is putting their focus, and that's where the REAL vulnerabilities are. Why would a hacker care about me? I just want to play my games.

It's like my phones. Nobody is trying to hack my phones. Why? I don't use them for the Internet. I use my phones to talk. I don't text. I use my television for watching T.V. I still have a printer which can copy and fax and scan. As I said, I'm antiquated. I don't care. I am me, and I do me. I don't care about keeping up with the Jones's.

[N3tRunn3r]

SnakeWildlife eredeti hozzászólása:

...

Limits used to be based on, You Hardware. NOW, Microsoft is using Software to lock you out of using the full functional ability of YOUR computer.

You can install and use Windows 10/11 as a local machine with a local administrator account, just as in Windows 7. Even for Home Editions, during clean installation you just need to enter a simple command prompt. W10/11 works fully without an "online account" and/or the Cloud.

And even if you have missed that, you can switch from an online account to a local account through the Windows Settings and Options on any time. No limitations..

I do completely wipe all my devices like this every 3rd or 4th month a year. And straight after the clean install, I uninstall OneDrive and some bloatware, disabling some tracking and autostart services, restarting my machine and then let it connect to the internet to update..

This whole procedure doesnt take any longer than an hour. W11 install is done in 5 minutes, configurations in 20 minutes, potential updates variable. So an hour... as easy as that!

Downloading and installing Steam games takes longer..

Back in time you had been "lucky" if you had a running and working Windows 3.xx system, especially with the Internet Explorer and/or Netscape. And just a sexy Windows 2000 clean install could had taken more than 4 hours without configuring afterwards.. A Windows XP clean install could had taken 2 hours, and not to mention all that configuring stuff and downloading/installing drivers afterwards. I hated it.. And if you didnt burn your machine, AMD and Ati hardware and their corrupted and unstable drivers did that for you, until today.


Do you remember the big and heavy Windows manuals with 1000's of pages? Setting up Windows was way way harder back in time. Today it is ezpz.. you can do everything without the needs of manuals in just a few minutes.

Windows 10/11 is done and ready in no-time..

Just invest a bit of interest, understand, and do everything with closed eyes in minutes..

DOS =

MS-DOS 5.x/6.x =
Windows 3.11 with Workgroups =
Windows 2000 =
Windows 7 Starter/Ultimate =
Windows 12 = ?

Linux Debian =

Bad hackers and crackers aint anymore interested into our machines but into your smartphone devices as these are the nowadays nodes which include everything about you.. You should worry more about your smartphone security!

Apple had "AGAIN" really bad and mad breaches actually, for example. Or such semi-fake "authentication apps" which steal, copy and hijack all keys and informations. These are also latest news btw. Luckily I never been an crApple user and also boycot AMD/Ati since XP.

Server systems of various governments and facilities is an other issue.

A scamming fake-Steam page to exploit easy victims and targets is probably the most easiest thing.. to steal and highjack your ID nowadays. Just take a look into the Steam forums.

[Kunovega]

ELoyros eredeti hozzászólása:

This is bs, all those big companies forcing ♥♥♥♥ down our throat, this is basically a ultimatum, "you buy new windows or you don't play" am sick and tired of this ♥♥♥♥. Like leave us alone!

Buy what? It's literally a free upgrade...

They gave anyone who owned 7 or 8 a free upgrade to 10 and anyone who owned 10 can upgrade to 11 free...

You haven't needed to pay for a new Windows since the jump from Vista over a decade ago.

[Lystent]

Kunovega eredeti hozzászólása:

ELoyros eredeti hozzászólása:

This is bs, all those big companies forcing ♥♥♥♥ down our throat, this is basically a ultimatum, "you buy new windows or you don't play" am sick and tired of this ♥♥♥♥. Like leave us alone!

Buy what? It's literally a free upgrade...

They gave anyone who owned 7 or 8 a free upgrade to 10 and anyone who owned 10 can upgrade to 11 free...

You haven't needed to pay for a new Windows since the jump from Vista over a decade ago.

Wasn't there some sort of MoBo feature requirement for 11? I'm not too enlightened about it myself, just recalling some chatter months ago.

[Aluvard]

Lystent eredeti hozzászólása:

Kunovega eredeti hozzászólása:

Buy what? It's literally a free upgrade...

They gave anyone who owned 7 or 8 a free upgrade to 10 and anyone who owned 10 can upgrade to 11 free...

You haven't needed to pay for a new Windows since the jump from Vista over a decade ago.

Wasn't there some sort of MoBo feature requirement for 11? I'm not too enlightened about it myself, just recalling some chatter months ago.

TPM; Intel has it's own version called PTT since 8th gen of CPU's. But there are lot of guides how to go past that demand and install win 11 on older hardware.

[ELoyros]

Xasthur eredeti hozzászólása:

punchobastardo eredeti hozzászólása:

"October 14, 2025".
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

So, in two and a half years you all will be pretty much slaves to Micro$oft with MS Windows 11, which has TPM2.0 and will be soon™️ only running on CPUs with the integrated blackbox chip called Pluton, that will only be getting undisclosured firmware updates via Microsoft Update, having full access to your system by accessing the memory, in order to make your machine "more secure".

True.

In this case, if someone still wants to keep using Windows 11, it would probably be better to use any custom OS build without TPM 2.0, hardware limitations, Microsoft telemetry and online services.

Or IoT/LTSC version. But usually it also requires some tweaking.

But the only right choice is to join the Linux army before it's too late :)

unfortunately Rust cant play on Linux.

[ELoyros]

Kunovega eredeti hozzászólása:

ELoyros eredeti hozzászólása:

This is bs, all those big companies forcing ♥♥♥♥ down our throat, this is basically a ultimatum, "you buy new windows or you don't play" am sick and tired of this ♥♥♥♥. Like leave us alone!

Buy what? It's literally a free upgrade...

They gave anyone who owned 7 or 8 a free upgrade to 10 and anyone who owned 10 can upgrade to 11 free...

You haven't needed to pay for a new Windows since the jump from Vista over a decade ago.

My bad I should have said "upgrade", though it does not matter to me, I dont want to go with Microsofts new spyware and support their policy of droping OS support every 2 years.

[Spawn of Totoro]

ELoyros eredeti hozzászólása:

My bad I should have said "upgrade", though it does not matter to me, I dont want to go with Microsofts new spyware and support their policy of droping OS support every 2 years.

MS tend to support their OSs for 10-15 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions

[Lystent]

Aluvard eredeti hozzászólása:

Lystent eredeti hozzászólása:

Wasn't there some sort of MoBo feature requirement for 11? I'm not too enlightened about it myself, just recalling some chatter months ago.

TPM; Intel has it's own version called PTT since 8th gen of CPU's. But there are lot of guides how to go past that demand and install win 11 on older hardware.

Thanks for the refresher. I'd imagine next time they'll make it harder to bypass a tech "requirement" though. I'm also unsure how far they'll let this bypass go.

[Dylan]

Given the fact that Steam works on these operating systems and that these operating systems work for everything else people want to do on a computer, it's unreasonable to expect people to upgrade their operating system just for games. I think people defending this decision are forgetting that not everyone is a capital G gamer, and a lot of us use computers for other things and just play games as one of those things. For us, there's no reason to upgrade from an operating system that has worked fine for every other thing, and would continue to work fine for Steam if Valve wasn't consciously shutting down support.