What a copium company

[Aventurine]

What the hell are you going to do with steam? Rendering a webpage with DX12? Disgusting policy. Fine, i'll leave the platform if you want me to...

[RasaNova]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RasaNova:

Wait, so are you saying that yes any game on Steam can be launched directly without ever having to run Steam? Or are you still talking about just the developers that aren't tied to Steam DRM. Because if it's any game, then for sure I'm going back to my original thought that all this outrage is over nothing.

Not every game offers a DRM free game on Steam.

:qr:

Ok, so the issue likely still exists then and people will probably need to upgrade if they want to play their games. And even for those games that do run without Steam DRM, I assume you would still need to launch Steam to install them.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από xBCxRangers:

Yeah, i don't get involved in any of that. Every game i own, going back to Atari 2600, i can still play w/o incident.

Until the console breaks.
If the pre-owned console you buy is outdated and it is no longer supported, then you can't update if a game requires it. Most disks don't contain an update for the console.

I had a 2600 (even had ET). They still break.

The point is, you can still lose your games or the ability to use them, even if it is a physical disk and a console.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RasaNova:

Ok, so the issue likely still exists then and people will probably need to upgrade if they want to play their games. And even for those games that do run without Steam DRM, I assume you would still need to launch Steam to install them.

The DRM free one will just run, even if copied over to another system with out Steam.

[RasaNova]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από xBCxRangers:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Leonardo Da Pinchi:

OS upgrade from Win7 to 10 is free....

Dude i just told you my computer can't handle it (Win 10). What am i supposed to do, upgrade a computer and OS, and all that money to play Return to Castle Wolfenstein? Cmon man.

Hey for what its worth if Win10 runs on your system (and it should, if Win7has nearly the same system requirements) then you CAN in fact run Return to Castle Wolfenstein just fine. I just installed it and played for a bit with zero issues, no tweaks required.

[xBCxRangers]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Spawn of Totoro:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από xBCxRangers:

Yeah, i don't get involved in any of that. Every game i own, going back to Atari 2600, i can still play w/o incident.

Until the console breaks.
If the pre-owned console you buy is outdated and it is no longer supported, then you can't update if a game requires it. Most disks don't contain an update for the console.

I had a 2600 (even had ET). They still break.

The point is, you can still lose your games or the ability to use them, even if it is a physical disk and a console.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RasaNova:

Ok, so the issue likely still exists then and people will probably need to upgrade if they want to play their games. And even for those games that do run without Steam DRM, I assume you would still need to launch Steam to install them.

The DRM free one will just run, even if copied over to another system with out Steam.

Yeah but these consoles are cheap lol. You can buy a new Xbox for three hundred bucks. Try replacing your graphics card. Yikes lol.

In addition, and totally unrelated but as an aside, "why" would you spend all that money for a PC? All i see are crashes, performance issues, let me have your specs, upgrades, Direct X, it goes on.

I think it's insane. And heaven forbid you have a problem. Xbox i call the 1 800 number. Here, you get trolled, pillaried, and then banned by some moderator working his way thru sunday school. And, still the problem with the game.

Would you think i'm lying, if i told you, Ge Force Now in the near two years i've been using it, i haven't dealt with "one' crash? And that was on free service.

Idk, i could never buy these pc's and deal with this drama. Just let me have my PS2 era games, on my current computer, about the same age lol

[RasaNova]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Spawn of Totoro:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RasaNova:

Ok, so the issue likely still exists then and people will probably need to upgrade if they want to play their games. And even for those games that do run without Steam DRM, I assume you would still need to launch Steam to install them.

The DRM free one will just run, even if copied over to another system with out Steam.

Copying files over from another system is one thing but how would you install it in the first place without Steam?

[Spawn of Totoro]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RasaNova:

Copying files over from another system is one thing but how would you install it in the first place without Steam?

When I tested it, it was Cyberpunk 2077 (Yes, even the Steam version is DRM free). I copied the game to my laptop and ran it. It installed and it just ran fine.

You literally just need to copy the files over and run the game's .exe directly.

[Brian9824]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από xBCxRangers:

Yeah but these consoles are cheap lol. You can buy a new Xbox for three hundred bucks. Try replacing your graphics card. Yikes lol.

In addition, and totally unrelated but as an aside, "why" would you spend all that money for a PC? All i see are crashes, performance issues, let me have your specs, upgrades, Direct X, it goes on.

If your not very technologically literate then definitely i'd stick to a console, but I mean you can get a good solid gaming PC for under $1000 quite easily these days.

A new Xbox X is ~$500, controllers are around $50 a pop, have to pay to play online, and you have far less selection of games.

I play my PS1, PS2 games from my PC, have access to games not available on Xbox, able to mod games, use cheat engine and other useful tools, use it to stream to my TV, use it for work, etc. No real issues with crashes because I know what i'm doing.

[xBCxRangers]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από brian9824:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από xBCxRangers:

Yeah but these consoles are cheap lol. You can buy a new Xbox for three hundred bucks. Try replacing your graphics card. Yikes lol.

In addition, and totally unrelated but as an aside, "why" would you spend all that money for a PC? All i see are crashes, performance issues, let me have your specs, upgrades, Direct X, it goes on.

If your not very technologically literate then definitely i'd stick to a console, but I mean you can get a good solid gaming PC for under $1000 quite easily these days.

A new Xbox X is ~$500, controllers are around $50 a pop, have to pay to play online, and you have far less selection of games.

I play my PS1, PS2 games from my PC, have access to games not available on Xbox, able to mod games, use cheat engine and other useful tools, use it to stream to my TV, use it for work, etc. No real issues with crashes because I know what i'm doing.

Yeah i think a Series S is 299. But your def right, i can never play PC, and as was said, these are old games i have i still play. Mainly, PS2 era games, with mods. That's why i love them. HD, you can use a controller. Well, bye bye to that.

But current games, on GFN is a blast. You get the mods and all there.

I just can't trust that either though, because again, the games may go away from the service.

Best thing, is to go back to my old tact of being "that guy' going hat in hand to Steam Forums asking for a game to be ported to consoles. And i suppose the good news is, they are coming, at least the ones i want to play

[Spawn of Totoro]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από xBCxRangers:

Yeah but these consoles are cheap lol. You can buy a new Xbox for three hundred bucks. Try replacing your graphics card. Yikes lol.

In addition, and totally unrelated but as an aside, "why" would you spend all that money for a PC? All i see are crashes, performance issues, let me have your specs, upgrades, Direct X, it goes on.

I think it's insane. And heaven forbid you have a problem. Xbox i call the 1 800 number. Here, you get trolled, pillaried, and then banned by some moderator working his way thru sunday school. And, still the problem with the game.

Would you think i'm lying, if i told you, Ge Force Now in the near two years i've been using it, i haven't dealt with "one' crash? And that was on free service.

Idk, i could never buy these pc's and deal with this drama. Just let me have my PS2 era games, on my current computer, about the same age lol

Depends on the console, just as it depends on the hardware of the PC.

The rest sounds more like personal problems then with the issue at hand.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από brian9824:

If your not very technologically literate then definitely i'd stick to a console, but I mean you can get a good solid gaming PC for under $1000 quite easily these days.

A new Xbox X is ~$500, controllers are around $50 a pop, have to pay to play online, and you have far less selection of games.

I play my PS1, PS2 games from my PC, have access to games not available on Xbox, able to mod games, use cheat engine and other useful tools, use it to stream to my TV, use it for work, etc. No real issues with crashes because I know what i'm doing.

Yep, pretty much. With as much as I do with my PC (and that isn't even everything that can be done) it is by far the better value for me.

If people only use it for one thing, then that is the issue.



So again, SteamOS at least would solve the issue as most games should still run on the current hardware. That is something you can't really do with a console.

https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown

Or some other Linux distro and Steam for Linux.

[RasaNova]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Spawn of Totoro:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RasaNova:

Copying files over from another system is one thing but how would you install it in the first place without Steam?

When I tested it, it was Cyberpunk 2077 (Yes, even the Steam version is DRM free). I copied the game to my laptop and ran it. It installed and it just ran fine.

You literally just need to copy the files over and run the game's .exe directly.

That's not what I mean though. How would you install CP2077 without launching Steam?

[Brian9824]

I mean solid gaming PC for under $800 - https://www.newegg.com/acer-n50-640-ur13-nitro-50/p/N82E16883101874?Description=N50-640-UR13&cm_re=N50-640-UR13-_-83-101-874-_-Product

Then you have something thats more then a game console that you can do actual work on as well. I mean if it was around black friday you could find some really good deals on gaming PC's and get em even cheaper.

[Brian9824]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RasaNova:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Spawn of Totoro:

When I tested it, it was Cyberpunk 2077 (Yes, even the Steam version is DRM free). I copied the game to my laptop and ran it. It installed and it just ran fine.

You literally just need to copy the files over and run the game's .exe directly.

That's not what I mean though. How would you install CP2077 without launching Steam?

Just copy the files from a computer that did have it installed or from a backup you made. Many steam games don't require steam to even be installed to run.

[RasaNova]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από brian9824:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RasaNova:

That's not what I mean though. How would you install CP2077 without launching Steam?

Just copy the files from a computer that did have it installed or from a backup you made. Many steam games don't require steam to even be installed to run.

So in other words, install every game in the library and back up game the folder? Fair enough. Seems a bit storage intensive, but hey if it works then people will have an option to play their games without Steam, making upgrading a non-issue (for those games that don't require Steam DRM.)

I don't suppose there's a way to know if a game will run independently or not, other than trial and error?

[Spawn of Totoro]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RasaNova:

I don't suppose there's a way to know if a game will run independently or not, other than trial and error?

There is a list of games you can do a search for, though not sure how complete it is.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από xBCxRangers:

Dude i just told you my computer can't handle it (Win 10). What am i supposed to do, upgrade a computer and OS, and all that money to play Return to Castle Wolfenstein? Cmon man.

Could you tell your hardware?