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Orange 2023年4月26日 18時40分
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Old Windows support
Please continue to support old versions of windows. I don't have the money or time to upgrade.
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ken87 の投稿を引用:
Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用:
all windows OS PAST xp were free

you dont need product key to run winvista, 7, 8 8.1 or 10/11
Only if you did a upgrade not a full install . But change hardware and it's a new ballgame.
As long as it's not OEM, you can change hardware without issue. Depending on what it is, you just may have to reactivate the key. OEM tends to be tied to the mobo, so swapping that out is a different story. Then again, if you want to replace your mobo, you're looking at a whole new build anyway, so it's six of one, half dozen of another.
Chesmu の投稿を引用:
Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用:
all windows OS PAST xp were free

you dont need product key to run winvista, 7, 8 8.1 or 10/11

There is something called system requirements.
yes but as others have stated here (not just me) YOU CAN RUN win10 on 2009 hardware
ken87 の投稿を引用:
Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用:
all windows OS PAST xp were free

you dont need product key to run winvista, 7, 8 8.1 or 10/11
Only if you did a upgrade not a full install . But change hardware and it's a new ballgame.
not really i did a fresh install of 7 it does not ask for product key and lets me straight to the desktop with no key given (it shows windows unactivated balloon on desktop) can still use windows not activated so therefore its free
BJWyler の投稿を引用:
ken87 の投稿を引用:
Only if you did a upgrade not a full install . But change hardware and it's a new ballgame.
As long as it's not OEM, you can change hardware without issue. Depending on what it is, you just may have to reactivate the key. OEM tends to be tied to the mobo, so swapping that out is a different story. Then again, if you want to replace your mobo, you're looking at a whole new build anyway, so it's six of one, half dozen of another.
ya i tested with windows os from xp to 11

xp REQUIRES product key during fresh install, vista, 7, 8 10 11 do not
BJWyler の投稿を引用:
I don't particularly like forced obsolescence, but I also realize that attempting to support old tech and software into perpetuity is patently ridiculous. I would love to still be able to use Windows 98 and XP today as I do any current OS and PC. That's simply not realistic, however.

This is what you don't get. Not supporting something is not the same as forced obsolescence or implementing a kill switch. Not supporting something means that it will no longer be given new features, or will no longer have bugs and security holes fixed, and so on. With the progression of "Google Chrome", EVENTUALLY the Steam Browser would not be able to pick up modern certificates for the same reason the "Firefox" V29 can't log into most sites.

This is not what Valve is doing. Valve is deliberately and directly suspending users' access to THEIR GAMES- not the Steam Community, not the Workshop, not the Store, or anything like that -which is a deliberate denial of people's access to THEIR property THAT THEY ALREADY OWN.

It is that, and ONLY that, which is causing this ruckus. If W7 users were suddenly denied access to the Steam Community, that's one thing and that's fair. W7 users are being locked out of THEIR OWN GAMES.

It's not theft because you sitll own the software licenses and could access them if you upgraded, but it is still a retroactive punishment and a denial of access to things you already own. That can be grounds for a class-action lawsuit, I bet, but no one here wants to hire a lawyer and try.
Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用:
ken87 の投稿を引用:
Only if you did a upgrade not a full install . But change hardware and it's a new ballgame.
not really i did a fresh install of 7 it does not ask for product key and lets me straight to the desktop with no key given (it shows windows unactivated balloon on desktop) can still use windows not activated so therefore its free


When I restore a Windows System Image from a full back up because of a hard drive failure, "Windows VII" ALWAYS demands my reactivation. A fresh install through the DVD is different because it just wipes and resets the drive while maintaining the OS.
TurtleShroom の投稿を引用:
BJWyler の投稿を引用:
I don't particularly like forced obsolescence, but I also realize that attempting to support old tech and software into perpetuity is patently ridiculous. I would love to still be able to use Windows 98 and XP today as I do any current OS and PC. That's simply not realistic, however.

This is what you don't get. Not supporting something is not the same as forced obsolescence or implementing a kill switch. Not supporting something means that it will no longer be given new features, or will no longer have bugs and security holes fixed, and so on. With the progression of "Google Chrome", EVENTUALLY the Steam Browser would not be able to pick up modern certificates for the same reason the "Firefox" V29 can't log into most sites.

This is not what Valve is doing. Valve is deliberately and directly suspending users' access to THEIR GAMES- not the Steam Community, not the Workshop, not the Store, or anything like that -which is a deliberate denial of people's access to THEIR property THAT THEY ALREADY OWN.

It is that, and ONLY that, which is causing this ruckus. If W7 users were suddenly denied access to the Steam Community, that's one thing and that's fair. W7 users are being locked out of THEIR OWN GAMES.

It's not theft because you sitll own the software licenses and could access them if you upgraded, but it is still a retroactive punishment and a denial of access to things you already own. That can be grounds for a class-action lawsuit, I bet, but no one here wants to hire a lawyer and try.


Dropping support, as you point out with Firefox, also means things will stop working.

That is what Steam is doing except instead of it being slowly phased out, they are cutting it because of the information the clients can access.

You also do not own the games and aren't losing them. They will still be tied to your account.
TurtleShroom の投稿を引用:
This is what you don't get. Not supporting something is not the same as forced obsolescence or implementing a kill switch. Not supporting something means that it will no longer be given new features, or will no longer have bugs and security holes fixed, and so on. With the progression of "Google Chrome", EVENTUALLY the Steam Browser would not be able to pick up modern certificates for the same reason the "Firefox" V29 can't log into most sites.
And dropping support sometimes means stuff does stop working when something that is supported is updated.

We are fortunate in that with our technology, we can keep using old systems - whether it be the physical ones, until the hardware dies, or even by making them virtual. Unfortunately, that also leads to the false impression that everything can and should still function even if it is not updated. When we have a lot of components that depend on interoperability to function properly, when one gets updated, that sometimes means that interoperability is lost. This is apparently the case with Chromium.

TurtleShroom の投稿を引用:
This is not what Valve is doing. Valve is deliberately and directly suspending users' access to THEIR GAMES- not the Steam Community, not the Workshop, not the Store, or anything like that -which is a deliberate denial of people's access to THEIR property THAT THEY ALREADY OWN.
And I have a whole bunch of software on 5.25" and 3.5" floppies. A lot of it 16 bit and 32 bit programs. I "own" these, yet they are completely unusable on every single one of the 9 PCs that I have around the house, save one. The earliest is from 2004, and the latest is from 2021. That one PC that allows those programs and disks to be used is only in the house because I got lucky dumpster diving ten years ago. It won't last forever, and once it's gone, it will take some time and probably a lot of money to try to procure another system that supports that old tech.

TurtleShroom の投稿を引用:
It is that, and ONLY that, which is causing this ruckus. If W7 users were suddenly denied access to the Steam Community, that's one thing and that's fair. W7 users are being locked out of THEIR OWN GAMES.
What's causing the ruckus are a handful of people who are grasping at straws and trying to find every excuse in the book to not upgrade to Windows 10/11 or migrate to Linux. This is an entirely self-imposed problem. Hey, I get it. I loved my Windows 98 and Windows XP. If I had my choice, I would still be using them (especially since they do support that old floppy tech). But I also understand it's not the way our technological progress works. And for technology to continue to advance, it can't go on supporting old tech into perpetuity.

TurtleShroom の投稿を引用:
It's not theft because you sitll own the software licenses and could access them if you upgraded, but it is still a retroactive punishment and a denial of access to things you already own. That can be grounds for a class-action lawsuit, I bet, but no one here wants to hire a lawyer and try.
Again, any punishment or denial of access is entirely self-imposed. But you are right, no one, even those with the means to do so, want to get up off of the chair and step away from the keyboard to put their money where their mouth is. One thing is for certain, nothing will ever change until someone does so. Who wants to be Heroing Pioneer who stepped up and forced a change that benefited all tech users? ..... No one? ..... Well, we certainly know that pounding keys on the keyboard in a random forum isn't going to change anything, that's for certain.
TurtleShroom の投稿を引用:
Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用:
not really i did a fresh install of 7 it does not ask for product key and lets me straight to the desktop with no key given (it shows windows unactivated balloon on desktop) can still use windows not activated so therefore its free


When I restore a Windows System Image from a full back up because of a hard drive failure, "Windows VII" ALWAYS demands my reactivation. A fresh install through the DVD is different because it just wipes and resets the drive while maintaining the OS.
if its xp yes it demands it

but anything newer then xp you can install without a cd key, i know from experience from vista to 11
Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用:
bidulless の投稿を引用:
Hello

Are we talking about -no-browser commande line or something else ? I think you are talking about the option in the steam menu ( mode reduit -fr- small mode ? - en )
it's the same as doing "steam.exe +open steam://open/minigameslist"
It's a bit different than -no-browser , it ( +open steam://open/minigameslist) just unload css and open minigameslist but you still have the tons of chromium process running in the background , so it cannot be considered as "legacy browser" where -no-browser command line could be in some sort.
But in fact we do not need any sort of "legacy" client, this one is fully functionnal under w7.
yes small mode does not require -no-browser to function

it serves just fine as a legacy client without it
Hello

It's a bit different and can't serv as a "legacy" client , all chromium process are still running.
I wonder why so many people asking for a "legacy" client when the current one is just working fine...
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Minuit 2023年5月20日 11時18分 
bidulless の投稿を引用:
Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用:
yes small mode does not require -no-browser to function

it serves just fine as a legacy client without it
Hello

It's a bit different and can't serv as a "legacy" client , all chromium process are still running.
I wonder why so many people asking for a "legacy" client when the current one is just working fine...

Hi biduless,

It is a way to ask this client without browser, and as you know it -no browser was a thing since a few months ago. But it appears that the whole Steam program would go for CEF, not only the browser part. Hence I ask for at least, a reliable offline mode around (with the current version of Steam), to understand if that can be done by Valve for old Os users.
最近の変更はMinuitが行いました; 2023年5月20日 11時20分
Minuit の投稿を引用:
bidulless の投稿を引用:
Hello

It's a bit different and can't serv as a "legacy" client , all chromium process are still running.
I wonder why so many people asking for a "legacy" client when the current one is just working fine...

Hi biduless,

It is a way to ask this client without browser, and as you know it -no browser was a thing since a few months ago. But it appears that the whole Steam program would go for CEF, not only the browser part. Hence I ask for at least, a reliable offline mode around (with the current version of Steam), to understand if that can be done by Valve for old Os users.
Hello
This make sens so , so we can use the current client as it work flawless.
bidulless の投稿を引用:
Minuit の投稿を引用:

Hi biduless,

It is a way to ask this client without browser, and as you know it -no browser was a thing since a few months ago. But it appears that the whole Steam program would go for CEF, not only the browser part. Hence I ask for at least, a reliable offline mode around (with the current version of Steam), to understand if that can be done by Valve for old Os users.
Hello
This make sens so , so we can use the current client as it work flawless.
but it wont come jan 2024
Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用:
bidulless の投稿を引用:
Hello
This make sens so , so we can use the current client as it work flawless.
but it wont come jan 2024
Hello

How ? that's the question ;)
bidulless の投稿を引用:
Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD} の投稿を引用:
but it wont come jan 2024
Hello

How ? that's the question ;)
steam is being updated to improve chromium framework which win7 will no longer function
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