Valve Mods Are Filthy Bigots

[John Elden]

I call someone a 'snowflake' for being upset over nonstandard pronouns and get a 7 day ban.
Meanwhile, people can attack the LGBTQ+ community, claim they are cancelling games because of LGBTQ+ elements, call the LGBTQ+ community 'groomers', and their threads get locked for 'arguments' with 0 bans handed out.

I'd post links to prove my claims, but the valve mods jump on 'NaMiNg AnD sHaMiNg!' to prevent users from knowing how corrupt and biased they are.

But it's a clear bias where progressive and LGBTQ+ people are hit with massively over-inflated punishments, while conservatives and small-minded bigots are allowed to skate by and make thread after thread after thread.
They start arguments? No punishment.
They make flame-bait threads? No punishment.
They make BS claims about the LGBTQ+ community? Conspiracy theories? All's fine!

But the SECOND someone stands up to this insipid drivel and BS attacks; Insta week+ punishments.

BS biased mods using their power to make the Valve forums giant echo chambers of conservative conspiracy theories and attacks on decent people.

[Taebrythn]

Escrito originalmente por Mad Scientist:

Escrito originalmente por John Elden:

Meanwhile, bigots make the Steam forums hostile to anyone they don't like, and get protected by mods sheltering them from punishment.

Going around name-calling people is being hostile to what people don't like. It gets them into trouble by acting less favorably than those they are accusing others of things.

Being overly accusatory & name-calling people is definitely what gets people warnings & bans, if they have a history of it, then it tends to be longer bans, hence if someone gets 7-Days as a ban, they likely have been at such behavior for quite a while.

Escrito originalmente por John Elden:

Literally every post mentions psyche wards, mental illness, comments along the line of 'You are wrong for how you think about yourself', or BS conspiracy theories like 'They will jail us if we accept people's pronouns!' or 'There's no such thing as transphobes and homophobes'.
Which is another way of saying 'I can hate you for existing and you are wrong to defend yourself'.

There's defending oneself, and then there's just name-calling and accusing others of being something merely for not having the same social-political views. Again, there are other countries & cultures in the world, many of them will not agree with your view; calling them things for disagreeing is most definitely how someone earns a ban. Also "hate speech" is not a thing for many of those countries, or speaking against certain subjects is not against their rules & laws of the country, it is up to Valve Staff to tell their 3rd party moderation what is considered "hate speech". Do note, disagreement of personal view is not hate speech, but if moderation uses Valves given examples to declare something as such, then a user can and likely will be punished for such.

As said, other game hubs take extreme action against people that disagree with progressive viewpoints to the point of permanently banning people that disagree with such, they literally have reputations for such. I doubt bethesda is going to do much about social-political arguments.

You're free to discuss those subjects per the thread titles if relevant in the Starfield hub, but being civil in disagreement is highly recommended. If it just seems like a huge argument, moderation is likely to take action against the people arguing.

Escrito originalmente por John Elden:

According to these forums, and Valve Moderators; Attacking people for existing is fine. But insulting someone who's attacking others is grounds for 7+ day bans and community bans.

People may present their basic opinions in a particular manner. Most of it is just award farming, those that are more serious & are blatantly trolling are usually warned, and banned if they continue their behavior. If they are merely giving basic opinions without trolling, moderation is not going to ban them because people don't like what they have to say.

Escrito originalmente por John Elden:

Once again; Mod actions are protecting literal bigots and attacking peopel who stand up to them.

Standing up to people isn't name-calling, accusing, or outright flaming others. If you want to "win", not name calling others & educating them is better. If someone only name-calls others, they're doing nothing constructive and will not change anyones minds ever, if anything, it proves them correct that their opponent can only give emotional responses, insults etc. Educate or just let it go as it's most likely just award farming. Report it, Move on.

Also if you don't own the game I would recommend staying out of the hub for anything social-political.

That is a problem people have when you don't agree with something then they attack you and name call. this is literally forcing their ways on you. they want people punished for not agreeing. look at what op said. Sometimes it has nothing to do with someone being trans it's where it's their way or no way. this is ops attitude. Now as for arresting people in Canada, UK it can happen. They tried to make laws to hate speech in Michigan but that violates the first amendment.

[kitt]

why I'm not surprised someone isn't banned? (but of course a different person is..)







thanks for proving my (our) point once more :)

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Ah the &Friends coming in with the same drivel once more.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Escrito originalmente por John Elden:

Escrito originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

It's not your job to make threads about how you think the moderators aren't doing their job. Report the content that you think is offensive and move on or contact Steam Support and talk to them about it. Making threads concerning moderation or complaining about moderation is absolutely pointless. Moderators do not read these threads and they only act on reports, which is why you have been continually told to report it and leave it at that.

Moderators aren't looking at the forums and going "Oh so and so is complaining about this or that, we better take care of it."

It doesn't work like that anymore. The volunteer moderators did interact with the forums and they did read threads.

Yet, when they were retired everyone was cheering.

No, it's not my job.
But if the mods aren't doing THEIR job right, or are picking a side when they should be impartial, then someone should say something.

Allowing the mods to use their power and lack of transparency to protect bigots and hate speech by shrugging and keeping silent is not right. Again; if the moderation in place is not doing its job, then someone should say something.
And I am saying something. And being told 'Oh no! You should just accept that the mods have a clear conservative bias and just stop talking'.

See, you're adding a but there. It's not your job, period there are no buts.

You just said it's not your job and in the very next sentence you imply that it is your job or someone's job to do or say something. No one is telling you to accept anything, we are telling you to report it and move on. Which is what anyone is told to do regardless of what the situation is.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Bigots should be stood up to, but you need to choose the best method to do so. On Steam, the best method is to not take the bait and report, they WANT conflict, they WANT to lure you into getting banned.

[jr.creations]

Escrito originalmente por John Elden:

I call someone a 'snowflake' for being upset over nonstandard pronouns and get a 7 day ban.
Meanwhile, people can attack the LGBTQ+ community, claim they are cancelling games because of LGBTQ+ elements, call the LGBTQ+ community 'groomers', and their threads get locked for 'arguments' with 0 bans handed out.

I'd post links to prove my claims, but the valve mods jump on 'NaMiNg AnD sHaMiNg!' to prevent users from knowing how corrupt and biased they are.

But it's a clear bias where progressive and LGBTQ+ people are hit with massively over-inflated punishments, while conservatives and small-minded bigots are allowed to skate by and make thread after thread after thread.
They start arguments? No punishment.
They make flame-bait threads? No punishment.
They make BS claims about the LGBTQ+ community? Conspiracy theories? All's fine!

But the SECOND someone stands up to this insipid drivel and BS attacks; Insta week+ punishments.

BS biased mods using their power to make the Valve forums giant echo chambers of conservative conspiracy theories and attacks on decent people.

Great title, but, is not true.
Please dont categorize me of being left or right. I do not belong to any political side. Im to the side of basic human decency.

Through out the years I have reported everyone from every side who step over the line, so I know for sure that action is being taken when ppl truly brake the rules. Now the difference is that I recognize what is trivial and what is a real attack.

I don't think steam is the best platform to argue about social issues, this will always end up bad for you. Since I can tell that you seen to not handle criticism well. I mean just with a little bit of gathering facts, I have come across completely horrible words and sayings from your part, which make it extremely difficult to defend you. I'm telling you right now, at this moment I am amazed that you haven't earn a community ban. If you don't change the way you speak, this is definitely in your future.

Ppl like to always blame steam, the majority of game hubs are manage by the particular game dev or moderation team, these ppl are not steam employees. Also they can apply rules in their own particular way with their own particular meaning. And steam mods do not interfere.

Word of advise, just memorize the rules, but learn the true meaning behind it. Do not engage, report if you think is necessary and move on. Change your ways, if you have to engage at least try to be clever. Learn that not everything is a personal attack tours you.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Escrito originalmente por jr.creations:

Escrito originalmente por John Elden:

I call someone a 'snowflake' for being upset over nonstandard pronouns and get a 7 day ban.
Meanwhile, people can attack the LGBTQ+ community, claim they are cancelling games because of LGBTQ+ elements, call the LGBTQ+ community 'groomers', and their threads get locked for 'arguments' with 0 bans handed out.

I'd post links to prove my claims, but the valve mods jump on 'NaMiNg AnD sHaMiNg!' to prevent users from knowing how corrupt and biased they are.

But it's a clear bias where progressive and LGBTQ+ people are hit with massively over-inflated punishments, while conservatives and small-minded bigots are allowed to skate by and make thread after thread after thread.
They start arguments? No punishment.
They make flame-bait threads? No punishment.
They make BS claims about the LGBTQ+ community? Conspiracy theories? All's fine!

But the SECOND someone stands up to this insipid drivel and BS attacks; Insta week+ punishments.

BS biased mods using their power to make the Valve forums giant echo chambers of conservative conspiracy theories and attacks on decent people.

Great title, but, is not true.
Please dont categorize me of being left or right. I do not belong to any political side. Im to the side of basic human decency.

Through out the years I have reported everyone from every side who step over the line, so I know for sure that action is being taken when ppl truly brake the rules. Now the difference is that I recognize what is trivial and what is a real attack.

I don't think steam is the best platform to argue about social issues, this will always end up bad for you. Since I can tell that you seen to not handle criticism well. I mean just with a little bit of gathering facts, I have come across completely horrible words and sayings from your part, which make it extremely difficult to defend you. I'm telling you right now, at this moment I am amazed that you haven't earn a community ban. If you don't change the way you speak, this is definitely in your future.

Ppl like to always blame steam, the majority of game hubs are manage by the particular game dev or moderation team, these ppl are not steam employees. Also they can apply rules in their own particular way with their own particular meaning. And steam mods do not interfere.

Word of advise, just memorize the rules, but learn the true meaning behind it. Do not engage, report if you think is necessary and move on. Change your ways, if you have to engage at least try to be clever. Learn that not everything is a personal attack tours you.

It never hurts to add context to a report too, back when Domina was still on Steam. I had to add context to my reports because the people I reported, were using slang and tongue-in-cheek remarks about Trans suicide rates that, well, weren't well known.

[Jon the VGNerd]

Valve Moderators still have a favoritism mentality? Color me not surprised. It's what they are now.

[cinedine]

Escrito originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

Standing up to hate speech is reporting it and moving on.

That's not "standing up" that's hoping someone else makes it their problem to solve.

Escrito originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Escrito originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

And if you're civil you'll face the same repercussions.

Not true.

Demonstrably true. And by now you should really know better.

Escrito originalmente por Mad Scientist:

Most likely they already knew what you said, since there's a little search box. Some people do have well known history, to moderation and other users.

You have absolutely no idea about the situtation but pull out some assumptions out of your posteriror to support your favourite narrative of some people not being fit to use the forums.
Colour me shockingly unsurprised.

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It's a running joke that the same handful of people constantly get into arguments about moderation and the same few users who miraculously never seem to get moderated defend moderation and don't see any problems with it.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Escrito originalmente por Jon the VGNerd:

Valve Moderators still have a favoritism mentality? Color me not surprised. It's what they are now.

How do you have a favoritism when the posts aren't being read and you don't know who the individuals are?

Escrito originalmente por cinedine:

Escrito originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

Standing up to hate speech is reporting it and moving on.

That's not "standing up" that's hoping someone else makes it their problem to solve.

It certainly is standing up to it because not reporting it is not standing up to it. It's the only way to go about it because these threads don't do anything and going around insulting others because they insulted someone ultimately gets your account in trouble. Also if it's not the moderators problem to solve, who's problem is it?

What can any user do to solve it other than report it?

[RasaNova]

OP those links you posted have shown one thing clearly - Civil forum posters who follow the rules without insulting etc do not get banned, no matter how vile their thoughts and opinions seem. Meanwhile uncivil people who "stand up" to them with insults are getting banned.

I hate to say it but that's moderation working as intended. The mods aren't choosing sides, they're moderating the forum. They do not consider those posts to be violating the rules. Yours clearly were, as you yourself admitted.

The right thing to do is to report, block, move on. Believe me I know how hard that can be, when somebody posts something SO ridiculous the urge to respond is hard to resist. But the mods are not taking sides. Look at many of the people who DO push back, that aren't being banned. That is because they reply with reason and civility. That's how to stand up to these... Um... Hard to even say it without name-calling.

TLDR - if you can't report and move on, then at least stay level headed and fight bigotry with reason and logic. It won't work, those people are not there for discussion, their minds won't be changed no matter how right you are. But that's how you engage without getting banned.

edit - as a side note, there are also people being banned on the "other" side who are claiming the opposite, that mods are supporting "woke agendas" banning anyone speaking out against it.

[Mad Scientist]

Escrito originalmente por cinedine:

You have absolutely no idea about the situtation but pull out some assumptions out of your posteriror to support your favourite narrative of some people not being fit to use the forums.
Colour me shockingly unsurprised.

The context and historical context of subjects down to a per-user basis gives enough pure facts to give the information. As for the unfit part; not my notion, but perhaps it should be taken into consideration & adopted into choosing future moderation actions, it's not a bad idea to ask that question afterall from a moderation perspective, let alone to keep the peace for user-to-user interactions.

Escrito originalmente por cinedine:

It's a running joke that the same handful of people constantly get into arguments about moderation and the same few users who miraculously never seem to get moderated defend moderation and don't see any problems with it.

Aren't those individuals all friends with each other?

Regardless, I wouldn't go so far as to consider disagreement as some sort of big argument. It's disagreeing and showing why there's disagreement; the intention to correct by noting accountability aka good faith vs intentions such as accusing people of being moderators as an example aka bad faith.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Escrito originalmente por cinedine:

Escrito originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

Standing up to hate speech is reporting it and moving on.

That's not "standing up" that's hoping someone else makes it their problem to solve.

Escrito originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Not true.

Demonstrably true. And by now you should really know better.

Escrito originalmente por Mad Scientist:

Most likely they already knew what you said, since there's a little search box. Some people do have well known history, to moderation and other users.

You have absolutely no idea about the situtation but pull out some assumptions out of your posteriror to support your favourite narrative of some people not being fit to use the forums.
Colour me shockingly unsurprised.

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It's a running joke that the same handful of people constantly get into arguments about moderation and the same few users who miraculously never seem to get moderated defend moderation and don't see any problems with it.

There's also a running pattern of behavior where a lot of the people who claim innocence for their actions, have a history of spamming repeated topics in the suggestion board, one after the other in sync. Or, have a history of trying to flamebait, then claim they're being targeted by some sort of shadow syndicate.

[miakisfan]

They are games and these are game forums ... not political tools for any community to abuse. Let's be honest ... there are people in every community that will push that envelope as far as they possibly can.

Personally I don't see how or why your sexual designation has anything to do with video games nor do I think it should matter.

When I come to a forum I am a gamer first. My sexual designation shouldn't mean squat and I keep it in the bedroom where it belongs. Problem is some people are so caught up in themselves that they forget they aren't the only people who matter.

I know there is a necessity to push any agenda (especially in this day and age) but at the end of the day that is all it is ... an agenda. It has nothing to do with making games better unless it is making games better for you. Funny story: better for you usually isn't better for all.

I wish every way to access the internet had a mirror right in front of them so every time someone forgot all that the mirror would remind them it isn't just them playing games.

[Q]

i've noticed it's a much more serious offense to accuse someone of breaking the rules (public accusations) than obvious trolling and flamebait posts.

Best thing you can do is avoid accusing people of breaking rules, otherwise that would trigger the "naming & shaming" and you'll get a warning or get banned for few days.