!!! Steam's NEW ban on AI generated content

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The game "Night Run" https://steamcommunity.com/app/2288760 has been in development for past year, a cutting edge futuristic art piece using some AI generated art, blocked in release by Steam.

The game was denied release because Steam's new policy against "AI Generated Content"

Anyone else know of a game being blocked because of this policy? This new policy seems extremely shortsighted and biased ridden.

Remove the policy Steam!

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

D. Flame eredeti hozzászólása:

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

same as artists? but seems you don't to see them how they download "other" images.

I also draw for fun. That is not how you learn.

And yes, a lot of pros trace, but they also get mocked and ostracized when they get caught. Remember how Gene Simmon's son lost his comic book deal following the magma and detergent incident?

Yes, they get mocked for using a tool so terrible its quite obvious. But they do not get told the act of tracing in any way means anything tangentially made with that racing(even if it's just some rough line work on a difficult shot) will be banned outright.

[crunchyfrog]

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

don't worry OP AI will be allowed in the future valve ban it because gabe is a "boomer" person ,when people on his old day was craying about digital art and call it not real art, but seems he forget about that.

will at least we should learn to accept new tech for our kids in the future and not copy old people faults

That's just a strawman you're pulling out of your arse, frankly.

No the reason is as I said, as the evidence is everywhere on here.

Valve have been burned many times by exploits and bad actors that they didn't foresee. They have a history of taking precautions and being proactive rather than reactive. Slow, surem, but hey.

The reason they have doen this is quite simple - they don't want to allow the floodgates to be opened so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bung up more low effort stuff that lands Valve in legal hot water through copyright claims.

How can you not see that?

[Max]

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

don't worry OP AI will be allowed in the future valve ban it because gabe is a "boomer" person ,when people on his old day was craying about digital art and call it not real art, but seems he forget about that.

will at least we should learn to accept new tech for our kids in the future and not copy old people faults

That's just a strawman you're pulling out of your arse, frankly.

No the reason is as I said, as the evidence is everywhere on here.

Valve have been burned many times by exploits and bad actors that they didn't foresee. They have a history of taking precautions and being proactive rather than reactive. Slow, surem, but hey.

The reason they have doen this is quite simple - they don't want to allow the floodgates to be opened so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bung up more low effort stuff that lands Valve in legal hot water through copyright claims.

How can you not see that?

So let's ban all knifes because murder s exited? Also you can actually baybass USA copyright law by just modify the Ai art (with human worker)

Also Ai coloring and Ai line art can be used and hard to being spotted because the artist can fix Ai mistakes.

Besides vlave ban the Ai "before" that USA court when the forced all Ai art are not copyrighted.

more low effort stuff that lands Valve in legal h

No, you can buy non Ai assets and spam the store, if you want quality hire people to check the game instead of banning a tool that be useful for indie devs.

[crunchyfrog]

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

That's just a strawman you're pulling out of your arse, frankly.

No the reason is as I said, as the evidence is everywhere on here.

Valve have been burned many times by exploits and bad actors that they didn't foresee. They have a history of taking precautions and being proactive rather than reactive. Slow, surem, but hey.

The reason they have doen this is quite simple - they don't want to allow the floodgates to be opened so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bung up more low effort stuff that lands Valve in legal hot water through copyright claims.

How can you not see that?

So let's ban all knifes because murder s exited? Also you can actually baybass USA copyright law by just modify the Ai art (with human worker)

Also Ai coloring and Ai line art can be used and hard to being spotted because the artist can fix Ai mistakes.

Besides vlave ban the Ai "before" that USA court when the forced all Ai art are not copyrighted.

more low effort stuff that lands Valve in legal h

No, you can buy non Ai assets and spam the store, if you want quality hire people to check the game instead of banning a tool that be useful for indie devs.

False equivalance,. Thats' not how it works. Banning knives is a complete non sequitur.

The fact remains they are being pro active about this whether you like it or not.

You utterly misunderstand the point about copyright. Sure AI geenrated stuff is NOT copyrightable, but AI draws on ACTUAL human art so if repeats a chunk or part that someone uses that IS copyrightable, you see?

And Valve want to avoid that, because they know how dangerous this is.

I used the analogy in music and sampling. Back when the early days of sampling were on the go, people like Abba and Kraftwerk sued people for use of chunks of their music.

Doesn't matter whether a sampler mangled them.

[Max]

^ heck even some devs use reverse tools to steal data and codes from other devs and then they fliped it.

Currentl I can see a lot of pixels art Ai in steam, seems valve can't see it kek

[Max]

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

So let's ban all knifes because murder s exited? Also you can actually baybass USA copyright law by just modify the Ai art (with human worker)

Also Ai coloring and Ai line art can be used and hard to being spotted because the artist can fix Ai mistakes.

Besides vlave ban the Ai "before" that USA court when the forced all Ai art are not copyrighted.




No, you can buy non Ai assets and spam the store, if you want quality hire people to check the game instead of banning a tool that be useful for indie devs.

False equivalance,. Thats' not how it works. Banning knives is a complete non sequitur.

The fact remains they are being pro active about this whether you like it or not.

They will be "forced" to allow it because most devs will use Ai in the future it's stupid to use slow methods when you can have free local tools,

also how you can see Ai codes without reverse engineering? Are you just to Ai art alone? Lol

[crunchyfrog]

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

False equivalance,. Thats' not how it works. Banning knives is a complete non sequitur.

The fact remains they are being pro active about this whether you like it or not.

They will be "forced" to allow it because most devs will use Ai in the future because will be stupid to use slow methods when you can have free local tools,

also how you can see Ai codes without reverse engineering? Are you just to Ai art alone? Lol

Cool, deonstrate your evidence on how they will be forced.

Not claims or more asertions. actual evidence on how this could be possible.

[Lily McFluffy Butt]

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

False equivalance,. Thats' not how it works. Banning knives is a complete non sequitur.

The fact remains they are being pro active about this whether you like it or not.

They will be "forced" to allow it because most devs will use Ai in the future because it's stupid to use slow methods when you can have free local tools,

also how you can see Ai codes without reverse engineering? Are you just to Ai art alone? Lol

Sure, devs will use it for a little bit. Then they'll realize they have no legal recourse for their AI generated crap getting stolen because you can't copyright or trademark it. Whatever they make with AI, will essentially be public domain and there will be nothing they can do about it.

[Max]

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

They will be "forced" to allow it because most devs will use Ai in the future because will be stupid to use slow methods when you can have free local tools,

also how you can see Ai codes without reverse engineering? Are you just to Ai art alone? Lol

Cool, deonstrate your evidence on how they will be forced.

Not claims or more asertions. actual evidence on how this could be possible.

Because as I said everyone will use it especially indei devs who can't do Kickstart, get donations etc

in the end who will make the game is the dev aka a programmer, a programmer have a different mindset than artists, they see Ai as cool and normal, artists in other hand not.

Artists will lose because the fight something they do understand it and comparing math computing to how normal draw.

I asain countries using Ai is pretty normal, heck some stuff marked Ai as advertiment, you can see synth-v and vocaloid have new versions named " Ai"

[AlexTheRedScout]

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

False equivalance,. Thats' not how it works. Banning knives is a complete non sequitur.

The fact remains they are being pro active about this whether you like it or not.

They will be "forced" to allow it because most devs will use Ai in the future it's stupid to use slow methods when you can have free local tools,

also how you can see Ai codes without reverse engineering? Are you just to Ai art alone? Lol

actually your wrong they would't be able to due to all the legal issues with ai first off its taking art from other artist's which is going to be a legal issue and second off ai isn't that good at all it breaks all the time and doesn't do what you always want it to do so ai is off the table completely because it just doesn't work any better then a human infact it lowers quality of games and people won't buy them because of it

[AlexTheRedScout]

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

crunchyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

Cool, deonstrate your evidence on how they will be forced.

Not claims or more asertions. actual evidence on how this could be possible.

Because as I said everyone will use it especially indei devs who can't do Kickstart.

in the end who will make the game is the dev aka a programmer, a programmer have a different mindset than artists, they see Ai as cool and normal, artists in other hand not.

Artists will lose because the fight something they do understand it and comparing math computing to how normal draw.

I asain countries using Ai is pretty normal, heck some stuff marked Ai as advertiment, you can see synth-v and vocaloid have new versions named " Ai"

im sorry thats just not how that works ai doesn't = good and while that argument is swell and all its not going to "force" steam to allow ai losing these kinds of indie devs is actually quite a small hit so small that force would't even go past start there's already many talented people who do not need the use of ai to make their game great in a way ai itself is not useful to anyone its just a novelty item in the end

[Max]

AlexTheRedScout eredeti hozzászólása:

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

They will be "forced" to allow it because most devs will use Ai in the future it's stupid to use slow methods when you can have free local tools,

also how you can see Ai codes without reverse engineering? Are you just to Ai art alone? Lol

actually your wrong they would't be able to due to all the legal issues with ai first off its taking art from other artist's which is going to be a legal issue and second off ai isn't that good at all it breaks all the time and doesn't do what you always want it to do so ai is off the table completely because it just doesn't work any better then a human infact it lowers quality of games and people won't buy them because of it

Artists take from another artists it's normal behavior, I can take other people and study their art style even I can pick their color combinations with being afeard of the artist.

USA will be forced to go into Ai era because other countries will use it not just in art but in everything.

USA will find it good for next Gen military stuff unless if you want to stay as 3rd world when they work harder not smarter.

How Ai is bad when they can be better every year? Go see first realese of stable defusion and see the last one? You will see huge improvement.
Also is someone use Ai in bad way not the tool foult you can do the same with normal brush.

How people don't buy because it wasAI? I know some people made profits from Ai porn, also Ai arts are unnoticeable and good.

and the reason why it's less money it's because everyone can made Ai art.

[Max]

AlexTheRedScout eredeti hozzászólása:

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

Because as I said everyone will use it especially indei devs who can't do Kickstart.

in the end who will make the game is the dev aka a programmer, a programmer have a different mindset than artists, they see Ai as cool and normal, artists in other hand not.

Artists will lose because the fight something they do understand it and comparing math computing to how normal draw.

I asain countries using Ai is pretty normal, heck some stuff marked Ai as advertiment, you can see synth-v and vocaloid have new versions named " Ai"

im sorry thats just not how that works ai doesn't = good and while that argument is swell and all its not going to "force" steam to allow ai losing these kinds of indie devs is actually quite a small hit so small that force would't even go past start there's already many talented people who do not need the use of ai to make their game great in a way ai itself is not useful to anyone its just a novelty item in the end

You know every IDE has built-in Ai? That means all thing will used Ai in some degree.

Actually will be more indie devs not small because Ai will boos the productivity and less works.

Steam will be forced because they can Not deal with 99% of devs who used Ai, otherwise no sold new games = no profit = bankrupt. You can fight one person but you can not fight groups people alone in straight way.

many talented people who do not need the use of ai to make their game great in a way ai itself is not useful to anyone its just a novelty item in the end

A high level runner that can do marathon will not be hired for pizza delivery when you can hire a person who can drive, these people should adapt and leave their "old day" thing.

[Max]

AlexTheRedScout eredeti hozzászólása:

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

They will be "forced" to allow it because most devs will use Ai in the future it's stupid to use slow methods when you can have free local tools,

also how you can see Ai codes without reverse engineering? Are you just to Ai art alone? Lol

actually your wrong they would't be able to due to all the legal issues with ai first off its taking art from other artist's which is going to be a legal issue and second off ai isn't that good at all it breaks all the time and doesn't do what you always want it to do so ai is off the table completely because it just doesn't work any better then a human infact it lowers quality of games and people won't buy them because of it

Because the wanna protect the money flow and jobs not because it's bad tech.

You know image2image can be used as prompt along side with text2text prompt? Also control net exited, also you can use Lora and checkpoints and photoshop exited too.

Most stuff are bad at first but they get better with new year, remember old days when pc was ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with its room size unlike today pc.

[Tito Shivan]

'"{`@xMaxrayx%n%:{code:Reborn}"' eredeti hozzászólása:

You know every IDE has built-in Ai?

You're stretching a bit too far the concept of AI to assure that.

The ones I use daily sure don't have any sort of AI.