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Bucciarati Aug 19, 2023 @ 3:53pm
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Remove the jester award
I really hate the "Jester" community award, because it is used purely as an insult. Nobody puts it on something because they think it's funny, it means one thing: You are a clown.

Basically this one award allows people to post insults directly into people's comments, even profiles, with no way to moderate or remove them because Steam insists that it's an award even though it's actually an insult.

This really just shouldn't exist. Every time it crops up it's used in a mean spirited way to disparage posts that people don't like. You can't even see who put it there so you can give them one too. It is effectively a way to bully people anonymously.

I'm not saying this because the clown picture hurts my feelings or anything. I just think that if people want to call someone a clown they should have to do it in their own post with their name on it, not be given the ability to do it anonymously in the other person's post.

The whole awards system is flawed and encourages bullying and trolling, dispute being a small simple cartoon clown it is always used to mean something more horrible. At first glance it is innocent and meant to be used for jokes but I think they knew what they were doing and what people would use it for. I will die happy the day it gets removed or the day they go bust because they get away with far far too much.

It basically allows people to anonymously write "Idiot" next to your name in a post and the system acts like they have done something positive. The only arguments anyone has why this is OK are "Not everyone knows what idiot means" and "This shouldn't bother you."

First of all, I need to give some context, I'm Bi (They/Them) who is 1/8th Native American and so have struggled with Difficulties my entire life. Been a Steam user for over 12 years, and PC gamer for longer than that. But I started to write Reviews after people told me I was good at Reviewing. So I started making them public on Steam. However, I got an e-mail today saying I got 7 community awards. Naturally, I asked what the heck I even did? It turns out, my negative Reviews on games which involve real discussions around accessibility and justice were given these awards. I've been feeling really tired and angry recently, I keep blanking out.

I want to ask some basic questions for whoever designed this Steam Awards system in the first place;

— Why are the Awards forced on a user's content?

If Steam claims to care about the creative nature of how a user wants their content to be displayed, how can they introduce something this anti-consumer in the first place?

— Why do we have no option to disable or not accept an award?

Isn't that the nature of an award in real life? I can understand having an award on either a review or a screenshot, etc., but for something like your main profile page that everyone sees as a first impression of you on Steam, how is it rational that you do not have an option to decline an award being given to you that gets to be seen by others and yourself on your page?

— Why are the awards that are given anonymous?

First of all, it's bad enough that if you have your profile as public any random troll can give you the Jester/Clown as a profile award, but now even if you have your profile privacy set to Friends Only, anyone of your friends can give you a profile award on your front page and you have no way of knowing who did this to you. At least let me know who did it so I can DELETE them from my friends list!!

Second of all, the amount of time that people spend on making their reviews and Steam profile look good is insane and here comes Steam with their genius idea to yet again take away agency from the user by having these forced awards show up. It almost feels like it was intended as an April Fools joke but we got it as a Christmas gift instead.

I don't care about the people who say to just deal with it and that it's not that big of a deal because it's not about that. It's about trolls harassing a user's content and having your choice being taken away of how you want your Steam to look. I personally don't want any awards to be shown because it's embarrassing and whoever anonymously gave me this award is purposefully just trying to make me look bad because now all that people see when they open my reviews or Steam page is a clown face, implying that I'm a clown or a loser and somehow this is not harassment according to Steam?

I know I'm not the only one complaining about this because there are already hundreds of forum posts on this on Reddit asking you to remove this awful award that is used for insulting and humiliating others. And if you're one of the people who actually claim Steam can just do whatever they want, you're sorely mistaken because we as a customer of their service still have some say in things and to just have this forced on us is unethical, completely anti-consumer, and I hope that it gets addressed and/or fixed soon.

The whole awards thing is kind of weird, but awards like "Wholesome" or "Gotta have it" or "Poetry" don't create a chilling effect on conversation. They should remove the awards altogether. Steam points should be a reward only for the purchaser, no one else. If someone wants to comment and applaud a post, artwork, etc. Saying so in a comment should be enough. Being able to anonymously post insults into people's posts serves absolutely no purpose other than to make people afraid to say things others will disagree with. it's a garbage feature that empowers bullies to bypass all accountability by being able to dole out insults in the form of "awards" that people aren't allowed to refuse. But in real life you can refuse an award but Steam does not understand what an award is.

I must admit that I have handed out Jesters (with maybe a negative intention), but I have always used Slow Clap as a genuine reward for progressive and helpful posts. The Jester is a toxic award and no one should be allowed to use it. It's time to ban people who use Jester. Give them a little time out from playing their games. There is no good argument for why people should be allowed to anonymously put insults into your posts or profile. It's all just people saying you shouldn't care.

I love Steam, but sometimes they make very poor decisions with their gimmicks and lack of common sense especially when it comes to long term ill effects on Mental Health when implementing non-essential Features
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Thermal Lance Aug 19, 2023 @ 3:58pm 
Sorry but im out of points.

Read: Nah.
Thiesen Aug 19, 2023 @ 4:05pm 
Beggers are those who sits outside malls and shopping centers with a cup in their hand...
... Off The Bone Aug 19, 2023 @ 4:10pm 
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I disagree, its the only thing we have to let other users know if a user is toxic
Donald Trump Aug 19, 2023 @ 5:48pm 
No. Jester cute.
Oz Gaming Aug 19, 2023 @ 6:05pm 
@ Aneantha

You can Hide the Community awards on your profile so that Nobody can see them.

Go to your profile / Edit Profile / General then down the Bottom you will see Profile Preferences and you will see "Hide Community Awards on Profile". Put a Check mark in the box. Then they won't be visible to people anymore.
TokioDrifter_2006>>> Aug 19, 2023 @ 7:23pm 
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I was following you until you started saying them/they and 1/8 native american someone please kill me not this shaiz again.

As for the jester, anything has 2 sides, like a sword.
Either you get unfair jesters or unfair circle-jerk on your profile, pick one.
As for the 2 jesters attached to this convo.
I have to empty my pantaloons bcs they are about to explode from me laughing.
Elucidator Aug 19, 2023 @ 8:33pm 
In my native language, it is called the 'funny man' award.
Both jesters and clowns have a prideful job that, isn't easy. The Jester of the medival ages, being part of a household was specifically getting paid to cheer up the family.

OP, you're correct that some people diffidently use it to mock someone's words and those know it is triggering because the animation itself laughs at whoever watches it. It's not just a clown or jester in itself; its the laughter and the hat jumping of the head, which causes this mocking effect. It belittles any subject that you have have tried to convey on a serious tone by means of redicule and in itself is a way to reflute it (as an argument) by redicule.

And indeed the anonymous part gives the awarder a shield, preventing them from getting banned, while at the same time provoking worse replies from the awarded, increasing the likelihood of them getting banned. Some indeed use it to troll like this.

However...
You're still in control on how you react to it and learning some background on clowns and jesters may help as it will show more care about their jobs and make it less likely to feel as an insult upon receiving such award.

For your questions:
1. Giving a user the ability to insult another user isn't anti-consumer. That said, Steam and Valve both have been practising social shaming for a long time; despite it being against their own rules and guidelines. For example, they do this with bans as well. Rewards are displayed, regardless of whether it is an insult or not. I don't know why.

Keep in mind that in the US, people think tipping is okay, and not mocking those who earn less. (It is an insult in some european countries and many eastern countries, not just to the one tipped, but also their employer, since you suggest that they don't pay their employees enough, and it's also promoting bad behavior.)
As such, you shouldn't really be too surprised by this system. Since the system gives points that the awarded can use to buy stuff, it is essentially a tip. And now you see that receiving tips isn't always a good thing and can diffidently be insulting / done by someone looking down on you.

2. No clue, but see above.

3. Also no clue. For whatever reason donating done by others is usually anonymous in the US, even though in the EU (where I live) people usually have to specify who donates and what amount. It seems cultural as well as such.

Originally posted by Aneantha:
now all that people see when they open my reviews or Steam page is a clown face, implying that I'm a clown or a loser and somehow this is not harassment according to Steam?
That's your imagination playing the slippery slope game.
You don't know what others think or see, and can't predict this. It's pretty mean to assume people do this anyway.

I understand that people who are native to English speaking countries often get surrounded by English being used indirectly and often need to look for some kind of implication, some indirect meaning, but you really need to be careful there, because worrying too much isn't good for you and can end up causing the opposite effect of what you intend, which in this case should be more obvious.

Try being more direct and seeing things more directly. (just advise)

Originally posted by Aneantha:
unethical
Symbols and animations on themselves, as well as the nature of awards or the combination thereof isn't unethical on itself.
What you mean is unethical is the usecase you mentioned; in other words it is people's behavior, not the award itself.


Jesters, much like your mentioned slow-clap, isn't always used to insult, therefore, creating a moderation rule to always punish people just because they place in on your post would in my opinion be wrong. People have mocked my own posts with the slow clap you seem to use to say "great", and used the jester when I intentionally made a joke that people liked.
There is also the laughing face, which can also be used to mock. It's a case by case problem basically, as well as a user by user problem and... I don't think you should punish everyone just because a few use it wrongly. That in itself would give power to those few, which they then will abuse; they will try to see how far they can go with getting everyone limited with their bad behavior, because apparently everyone needs to be affected.

Originally posted by Aneantha:
especially when it comes to long term ill effects on Mental Health when implementing non-essential Features
If this is about the awards, it's really how you react to it. How important was your post that got awarded to you and how do you react to it? How do you deal with it? You need to answer these before you can say the situation is affecting your mental health.
And, if that is the case, is it the award, or is it your reaction to that award?

My advise: Don't give these people the power to control your emotions and behavior.
Last edited by Elucidator; Aug 19, 2023 @ 8:44pm
[F2P]N0ob Aug 19, 2023 @ 9:18pm 
Oh look, another Jester farming under the same "remove jester award flag" :steamfacepalm:
Myll Aug 19, 2023 @ 10:48pm 
Steam Admins, remove this "Fishing for Steam Points" post already, so many repeats of this same scam.
SqueakyTweaky Aug 20, 2023 @ 2:29am 
Again somone copy paste this.
Bllasae Aug 20, 2023 @ 2:46am 
Uh huh, uh huh, and have you tried not being a clown
maybe steam could have a report/removal function
for people who are abused and offended by the awards..
Arkham99 Aug 20, 2023 @ 2:58am 
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personally, I don't consider being called a clown an insult... but that's just me...:-)
Lystent Aug 20, 2023 @ 7:53pm 
Originally posted by TokioDrifter_2006>>>:
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Either you get unfair jesters or unfair circle-jerk on your profile, pick one.
Commenting on profiles can be restricted to either "friends only", or "private".

(If that is what you were referring to with the later.)
Last edited by Lystent; Aug 20, 2023 @ 7:54pm
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