We need as consumers the ability to sell our games.

[wbino]

Any other product in the world that you buy can be resold.
The law that is protecting digital distribution from resale should be challenged.

[BJWyler]

Początkowo opublikowane przez wbino:

Początkowo opublikowane przez C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You can't sell what you don't own. You don't own your games, you own a license to access them. You should know this by now, being on Steam so long.

Yeah. That needs to be challenged in court, I can sell dvd, blue ray, anything but software. Why?

Well then, go ahead and challenge it. Personally, I'm OK with not reselling my digital software, so it ain't going to be me.

[MadZec]

If we became able to sell old digital USED games...... they will just remove all discounts and even more increase prices of games...
Also they will lower support and updates for games that they do not get any profit from, from advertisments because people will just buy used ones.
And believe it or not people still buy NEW games that sometimes are even decade old....

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Satoru:

People seem to think "wow if I can resell my games this will b great"

Guess what will actually happen

Game companies will realize "why on earth would I ever discount a game that will just get resold on the market for cheaper". Your game discounts will either disappear entirely or be so bad you'll be begging for the 'good old days' of whining about how the summer sale this year sucked so much.

Game companies are going to respond to their inability to control 3rd party sales, by ensuring that they extract maximum value out of any resale, while absolutely screwing you over while doing it.

People don't realize that 70-90% off only works because your games arent transferrable. That $2 copy can't recirculate in the economy multiple times. So it means that its worth it for them to highly discount a game. Its NOT worth it, if one person can functionally sell a $2 a hundred times, meaning you're losing revenue on hundreds of sales because one person bought a copy at $2. Now multiply that factor by all the other people doing the same. And no, dont try to compare that to the bargain bin of physical copies. The entire point of hte bargain bin is there is a limited supply of games at that price and high amounts of friction to get that. Digital resales would have unlimited supply and have literally zero friction. They are not the same problem.

If you think Call of Duty sucks because it doesn't go below 25% off. Well you'lre gonna be really really mad when the best deal you can get on a 5 year old CoD game will be 10% off during the winter sale.

Also you're gonna have a lot of fun when cheaters keep 'reselling' copies to their alts for peanuts to avoid game bans. Wait you want game bans to transfer. So what are you gonna do when you buy that CoD game and 2 weeks later you're game banned because the owner 3 resells back, cheated.

People really don't think through how much this will not be what they think its going to be like.

Indeed. Well, said. You'd never see a 90% discount ever again.

[Chika Ogiue]

Początkowo opublikowane przez wbino:

Yeah. That needs to be challenged in court, I can sell dvd, blue ray, anything but software. Why?

But if you buy the same film digitally, or book digitally, or music digitally, and so on, you cannot resell any of those.

[Komarimaru]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Worldzworstgamer:

Anyone that is against what the OP said is a complete and utter moron.

Been to court many times, all agreed that re-selling digital would be too detrimental. Why?

Let's see, how do we make sure all copies of that digital product are removed from the owner without using a super invasive root kit?

The list goes on and on..

[Aachen]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Worldzworstgamer:

Anyone that is against what the OP said ….

O-ho — you, too, presume me to be Gabe Newell? It does take quite the intellect to make the connection.

AAR I’m more off than on the last few days.

[Zefar]

If this was put in, PC gaming would be killed.

Developers would never put a game on sale. Microtransactions would run rampart in every single game. Consoles would start to gain massive popularity again over PC gaming.


It's quite literally the worst idea to ever suggest on a PC gaming forum.

[ReBoot]

A good solution is to vote with your wallet. The lack of second-hand reselling (offset by sales) is a a property of PC gaming. There is second-hand sales for console games though. Game publishers tried to combat those as well, but that din't go far. Want second-hand games? Get a console. Don't spend a dime on PC games if that dime doesn't give you what you want.

[Zefar]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Worldzworstgamer:

Your comment is stupid and doesn't refute anything the OP said which I support. When you buy something you should own it. I guess though you are a part of WEF maybe and have a different agenda.

It doesn't work like that in the real world though.

You pay for your ID card but you're NOT allowed to sell it. Against the law in fact. So now you have bought something that you're not allowed to sell. Even if it is a physical good.


There is also this where the game is still only functional on the Steam service. So if you sold it someone else Steam still has to front the hosting cost for it.

This is because you own a license for the game.

You can look at it like a drivers license. You can not sell that to someone else. Even if you had pay a lot of money for it. The physical card is just an identification of it that you have the license to drive. But you can not sell that drivers license to someone else.

So this has nothing to do with WEF. This has been the case since the start of PC gaming.

[pineapplejuice]

my pc has a disk drive. I miss being able to go buy physical copies of games from pawn shops and stuff

[Spawn of Totoro]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Qubo Night Owl:

my pc has a disk drive. I miss being able to go buy physical copies of games from pawn shops and stuff

The ability to do that was already going away, with single use codes/keys, account requirements, limited installs and what not. A used book store where I live, stopped selling PC games due to them not working anymore.

Most places stopped selling used software before then, as people would make copies and sell it right back.

Then there was scratched and faulty media to worry about.

Digital simply removed many of those issues for the user and several for the developer.

Only thing I really miss was the cool manuals and maps some games came with, tbh. I could easily live with out the issues of physical media.

[Pierce Dalton]

One account, one game.

Problem solved. Ezpz.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pierce Dalton:

One account, one game.

Done. Ezpz.

1000 games, 1000 accounts. Then you need to remember the game on each account.

If you use an easy to remember name and the same password, then if you ever sold one, they know the log-in of all the accounts and hope you remembered to change the password.

eg:
MyGame1
MyGame2
MyGame3
...
MyGame1000

The idea of it being easy doesn't really scale very well.

Then there is losing access to all the accounts if it is found out you are selling them.

[Pierce Dalton]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Spawn of Totoro:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pierce Dalton:

One account, one game.

Done. Ezpz.

1000 games, 1000 accounts. Then you need to remember the game on each account.

If you use an easy to remember name and the same password, then if you ever sold one, they know the log-in of all the accounts and hope you remembered to change the password.

The idea of it being easy doesn't really scale very well.

Then there is losing access to all the accounts if it is found out you are selling them.

You know what they say, there's a price for everything.

Never said it would be easy.

Also, who needs 1000 games?

[Spawn of Totoro]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pierce Dalton:

You know what they say, there's a price for everything.

Never said it would be easy.

Also, who needs 1000 games?

.... you said it would be "Ezpz," so yes, you did say it would be easy.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pierce Dalton:

Problem solved. Ezpz.

Many do. I have over 1000 games. Some have far more then that.

Even if you only look at 300 (the number of games you own) it follows the same issue.