Souls games suck

[biesoid]

They always have this annoying design that boss is far behind last save point, so every time you die you have to repeat same boring sequences of enemies.

It's such a time wasting design.

The game is designed to waste your time for no real reason and you keep gaslighting yourself that this is a good gaming experience, because you wasted all that time to "git gud" and you want to think this is some kind of meaningful achievement.

Also none of the stats, items, mechanics are explained in the game,you have to search websites for help (there are some great tutorials for example "Bald and Bearded" channel on Youtube, I recommend subscribing) , again awful design.

I'm not going to spend hours watching Youtube guides, so I can spend more hours actually playing the game.

[breadman]

skill issue

[Haruspex]

Skill issue.


No, I joke. That's just fine OP. To each their own. Personally, I'm not a fan of strategy games, but I do understand that many people really like them. I could post about how "strategy games suck" and list reasons why I don't like them, but that completely discounts the feelings of those who do enjoy them, so I'll just leave them be and choose not to buy and play them.

[Komarimaru]

No one really forces ya to play a Souls like game. I find them enjoyable, since you can beat any boss and any game even naked if have the skillset and practice.

[Knightspace]

Different strokes for different folks. Just say you don't like those games and it'll be fine, no need to make up excuses to serve your weird "arguments".

Just stop trying to emulate DSP, is what i'm getting at.

[MistaM]

Then don't play them. It's easy. Crazy, right? Ur welcome.

[Crazy Tiger]

It's ok to not like a game, OP. It's also ok if other people do like that game.

But the real goal of the thread is to advertise that YT channel, isn't it?

[Aachen]

Originally posted by biesoid:

They always have this annoying design that boss is far behind last save point, so every time you die you have to repeat same boring sequences of enemies.

It's such a time wasting design ….

Well, strictly, that you find some particular sequences of enemies boring does not imply the game in which they appear is bad.

and it’ll only sink time for those who struggle with whichever sequence.

…. The game is designed to waste your time for no real reason and you keep gaslighting yourself that this is a good gaming experience, because you wasted all that time to "git gud" and you want to think this is some kind of meaningful achievement ….

Seems rather more an issue if one has not enough gud still. Once you git it, presumably there’s a higher proportion of good-gaming-experience to …. gaslighty-time-waste.

…. Also none of the stats, items, mechanics are explained in the game,you have to search websites for help (there are some great tutorials for example "Bald and Bearded" channel on Youtube, I recommend subscribing) , again awful design ….

Is this supposed to remotely compare to older moon-logic P&C games?

Your choice to ask for help is not everyone’s choice.

…. I'm not going to spend hours watching Youtube guides, so I can spend more hours actually playing the gamej.

Of course not — rather seems you’re not interested in spending hours with whichever game (games?) at all.

[Spawn of Totoro]

... I run through most the game as I learned where the enemies are. There is no reason to fight them every time, unless you are trying to get souls to level up.

First thing I do in a souls game is use what souls I have, remove all gear and run to any shiny I see and/or know of, collecting it before I die. No loss taken and I only gain in the process.

Death in those game is a great tool, if you get over seeing death as a bad thing and use it to your advantage.

[Byron1c]

Ive pretty much given up on this whole "genre" as its just bad design, and as you said, designed to waste your time. Its not the tough combat, or death thats the issue, its EVERYTHING else. Bad camera, bad targeting, awful world design with little visual clues or even basic logic, backtracking, getting lost, no OPTIONAL compass or map, etc.
Its also not good when the most common responses are "dont play it", "dont bother fighting them" and "git gud". In other words, waste your money completely/refund, skip playing the game until you find something interesting - just run away, and the ol' classic - you are only complaining because you dont have the skills.
That last one really gets me - playing the game is how you get the skills, but the other players, and the devs, dont care that its a boring frustrating time waster to learn the necessary skills. Just dont criticize their precious game.

[El Mythical 23 k.s.c.]

Originally posted by Byron1c:

Ive pretty much given up on this whole "genre" as its just bad design.

didn't need to read anymore.

[Paratech2008]

I don't like MMO games.
Other people like them.
Doesn't bother me.

[niralamart000]

elden ring and dark souls 2 have the same problem, just generic stuff everywhere that looks pretty but doesn't have to be as thought out as dark souls 1 and 3 in level design and story presentation. Of course other good souls game are bloodborne, sekiro and original demon souls for story and gameplay fun, and nioh 1 and 2 for gameplay fun

As for the industry, i agree, seriously stop making souls like hack n slashs, wasting computer processing on all the wrong things. Imagine a ninja gaiden game on next gen, turning that in to a souls like trash fest would be such a downgrade

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Souls-like is a joke genre.

[Heraclius Caesar]

They're tough for sure. Apparently the pay off is big and satisfying once you master them. Idk. I gave up on Dark Souls 3 after like 30 min. I'm trying to get into Shekiro but I still can't beat the 1st little boss. I'll come back to it eventually I guess since it does seem pretty cool.

[miakisfan]

Demons Souls was an awesome game and I loved every minute of it. I actually found myself engrossed enough in it to challenge myself to play the level different ways.

And that was the PS3 version of it ...

Haven't touched the Dark Souls games yet. I really don't see the need to after Demons Souls.