Devilish Dave 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 1:33
What Happened to Sales in General?
Sales used to be this huge thing that everyone was waiting for, looking at countdowns, saving up money, discussing with their friends what to buy and it was something everyone was looking forward to. Steam also crashed or slowed done extensively during sales and there were also events to win badges or play mini-games.

This time around apparently it is Summer Sale, but I can't tell, there's some sort of sale every week now and this one does not stand out at all, which is a shame, because I used to like the little designs and stuff that used to be present.

Is this it now, are these what big sales will look like from now on?

Edit: I am not talking about the prices, but I see many of you think that is my issue with the sale. I didn't even look at the prices and if I really want a game, I'll buy it at full price, so even a 5% discount is favourable. I'm literally just talking about the sale in general, how it is setup and served. The lackluster theme, no cards to collect, no mini-games, etc.. It just feels sloppy and not what other Summer/Winter sales used to.
最後修改者:Devilish Dave; 2023 年 7 月 2 日 下午 4:59
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Yzal 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 3:12 
引用自 CoronaExtra
The real reason is Steam has a monopoly on PC gaming and knows they don't need to try anymore.

Not their fault that their competition is laughably pathetic and don't seem to even try most of the time.
最後修改者:Yzal; 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 3:44
Tito Shivan 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 3:20 
The times have changed, so have the sales.


引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
Also, people hated those flash sales, that's why they're not done anymore.
Over the years they lost 'flashiness' until they basically became 'half-a-day deals' before dissapearing. They weren't fun for people who missed them because they happened at their sleeping or work time.

And the deeper discounts they brought were already dead before flash sales were gone. What before was a base 50% with a 75-80% flash discount became a 40% with a 50% flash sale discount in its latter years.

And now there would be a very messy subject with refunds in the mix. Buy a game, play the hell out of it just to discover the dev put it 25% cheaper for a day in the same store you just bought it from and you're out of a refund because you've played it a lot.

引用自 CoronaExtra
The real reason is Steam has a monopoly on PC gaming and knows they don't need to try anymore.
Or it was the devs the ones seeing it wasn't worth the effort anymore.
Because they could diversify their sales on a lot of different sites without the race-to-the-bottom it meant getting frontpage space in Steam or being part of a Steam sales event.

If people want to know why sales have changed they only have to take a loooong stare at the mirror.

引用自 Samantha :
Flash sales and daily sales I could understand. Events, people could just choose not to participate in them if they didn't like them.
The thing is sales event are not needed anymore. Those events were for the most part a feature introduction. To have people participate and know the mechanics of the service.
Buy games, get achievements, post screenshots, trade... LEarn how it works and get used to use Steam and we'll give you free stuff.

Nowadays people are already used to do all of that in Steam (and every other storefront and service thereafter) no need to put bells and whistles on it.

If you notice now. The only 'mechanics' that still are part of the core 'sales experience' are those meant to give visibility to games in the store.
-Go watch a dozen store pages for a card.
-Go visit some sale sections for a sticker.
最後修改者:Tito Shivan; 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 3:20
Placenta Salad 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 3:22 
I still remember the controversy of the Steam Grand Prix event from 2019 where you could literally gain hundreds of levels to your Steam profile. Valve thought it'd be a good idea to reward people event exclusive "tokens" based upon how many video games you purchased between that sale and the previous seasonal sale but since these events have historically been buggy, it was not without its issues.

People who did purchase a lot of video games over time (like myself) were not given an accurate amount of tokens while some people who didn't purchase anything at all were given thousands of tokens, and to make matters worse, there was an exploit someone else discovered and that was leaked all over places like 4chan where you could add XP value to that seasonal badge to give yourself an insanely high profile level. I still see badges on profiles to this day that had not been reset and basically got away with the exploit by not being too obviously unrealistic.

I think this was sort of what finally persuaded Valve that they simply cannot handle doing much more than just offering measly Steam points and trading cards for video games purchased during sales, as this was one of the last events (if not THE last event) which had some sort of minigame tie-in.
nullable 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 3:32 
Things change and eventually you get old enough to be able to feel the difference between the way things were and the way they are. But once upon a time you were only aware of the way they are because that's all you ever knew.

I was around before Steam and Steam sales. I've lived through the whole arc. Nothing is ever going to stay just the way you like it. And nostalgia is a hell of a drug, use it responsibly.

Even if you're underwhelmed by PC game sales now, they still seem better than the sales on the Nintendo eShop, or when I was a kid looking at console games at Wal-Mart in the 90's. So I'm not put out. If you've never lived through bleaker times, and these are the bleakest times you've ever lived through, then I get it. It doesn't matter what came before your memory.
Blood 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 3:51 
引用自 Samantha :
I'm hugely disappointed that there isn't any kind of event or interactive element at all. The last couple of years there was the short stories and the riddles last year which were quite entertaining but this year there is literally... Nothing? Except a pointless sticker each day and the seasonal badge... And given the winter sales have just been the dull steam awards for years, the summer sale represented the last ounces of creativity when it came to the seasonal steam sales. But clearly sheer laziness has won the day. Bravo, steam, bravo.

The stickers wouldn't be so bad if you could actually do something with them... Though as it is, I doubt I will even bother to get the daily sticker on even half of the days of the sale.
I came here to say this. I remember when there were limited time games you could play to get Steam items. I think the last sale they had there was a treasure hunt of sorts.
DiceDsx 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 3:55 
引用自 Placenta Salad
I still remember the controversy of the Steam Grand Prix event from 2019 where you could literally gain hundreds of levels to your Steam profile. Valve thought it'd be a good idea to reward people event exclusive "tokens" based upon how many video games you purchased between that sale and the previous seasonal sale but since these events have historically been buggy, it was not without its issues.

People who did purchase a lot of video games over time (like myself) were not given an accurate amount of tokens while some people who didn't purchase anything at all were given thousands of tokens, and to make matters worse, there was an exploit someone else discovered and that was leaked all over places like 4chan where you could add XP value to that seasonal badge to give yourself an insanely high profile level. I still see badges on profiles to this day that had not been reset and basically got away with the exploit by not being too obviously unrealistic.

I think this was sort of what finally persuaded Valve that they simply cannot handle doing much more than just offering measly Steam points and trading cards for video games purchased during sales, as this was one of the last events (if not THE last event) which had some sort of minigame tie-in.
IIrc, there were also two other issues.

One was that people chose Team Corgi en masse, leading to it winning almost every time and to Valve doing stuff behind the scenes to give other teams a chance to get 1st place.

The other was that there were two giveaways for the winners: one gave you the first three games in your wishlist, while the other only the first one.
Poor communication led to people emptying their wishlist, leaving only the games they wanted to win.
Developers weren't amused by this incident.
最後修改者:DiceDsx; 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 3:58
Bllasae 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 4:54 
引用自 Devilish Dave
Sales used to be this huge thing that everyone was waiting for, looking at countdowns, saving up money, discussing with their friends what to buy and it was something everyone was looking forward to. Steam also crashed or slowed done extensively during sales and there were also events to win badges or play mini-games.

This time around apparently it is Summer Sale, but I can't tell, there's some sort of sale every week now and this one does not stand out at all, which is a shame, because I used to like the little designs and stuff that used to be present.

Is this it now, are these what big sales will look like from now on?
You grew up - welcome to being an adult.
T9 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 5:29 
why try harder when people lick your butt anyway
crunchyfrog 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 5:45 
引用自 Devilish Dave
引用自 crunchyfrog
Sales are just the same but your perspective may have changed.

Many people amass more games and therfore find the choices lesser. Not the sales' fault.

Others find that things like the metagames and side things are lacking, but that's sadly due to abuse.

But as for empirical data, the discounts are no real difference, and the amount of games aren't either.

My perspective hasn't changed though, there are literally things missing that made sales fun. I am not talking about the types of games that are on sale, but the mindset people had. It just feels lackluster now.



引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|
Developers and publishers can put their games on sale pretty much whenever they like.. Capcom just had a 40th Anniversery Sale...so yes, there are more sales now.

Steam used to only about four sales a year. Spring, Summer, Autum, Winter.


One winter sale, a user won every game on Steam (about 5,000 games.) That would most likely never happen now.

Yes I am familiar with how it works, my University published some game for a course, literally anyone can publish it and they have control over these things, but that's not really what I was getting at. Summer Sales, used to just feel different from all the other ones and stood out.



引用自 Samantha :
I'm hugely disappointed that there isn't any kind of event or interactive element at all. The last couple of years there was the short stories and the riddles last year which were quite entertaining but this year there is literally... Nothing? Except a pointless sticker each day and the seasonal badge... And given the winter sales have just been the dull steam awards for years, the summer sale represented the last ounces of creativity when it came to the seasonal steam sales. But clearly sheer laziness has won the day. Bravo, steam, bravo.

The stickers wouldn't be so bad if you could actually do something with them...

Yes, this is what I mean. Maybe there's a reason behind this, I guess we will see with time if it'll change or not. It was a pretty minor something anyways, but it had this neat little touch to it. I liked it.
Yes, but the thing is, do you have any EVIDENCE for this?

Because this type of comment is common and usually stems from people first coming here and getting the keys to the candy shop feeling - everything's new, and therefore it's more appealing. When you've bought loads and then a sale starts it looks far less rewarding because, well, you've took advantage of previous sales.

As for the events and metagames, well, you can in part blame the people in the past that have defrauded and gamed the system.

But again it ain't down to Valve anyway.
Odra 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 6:54 
Maximizing profit is the name of the game

Publishers found the sweet spot when it came to discounts, and how far a buyer's conviction goes.

Before, the thinking was that a deep discount would generate so many sales that the profit would be high, but at some point they likely discovered that they can offer more shallow discounts and generate even higher profit even with the loss of overall sales.

Why should they offer deep discounts? They are never low enough for some people. Many diligently storm forums of new releases parroting "remember, no pre-orders" or advocating the use of competitors because they want to force publishers to lower their prices, then become bitter when companies don't cave in to their tactics.

The same malcontents that are indignant at prices with arguments about a game's status as a port, re-release, age, medium, etc. and treat gaming as an indispensable necessity which should be given to everyone rather than the luxury entertainment commodity it actually is.

We still see many deep discounts, the problem people have is they don't see such discounts on games they want.
Sippio 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 7:08 
Well although i did enjoy getting the little HotDog or sunshine Emoticon,
but those mini games were beyond annoying. Esp cause ya felt compelled to do it..
~IMO for me= Steam sale every 3 months is when i pick up all my wishlist cheaper games.
Like Old School "Battle Mages: Sign of Darkness" for $0.33 !!
Or Total War greats for $5.

As i type this i really do miss buying physical PC games.
So many missing games like Warlords 3,,warhammer Dark Omen etc.
DUP 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 8:32 
This sale doesn't feel gentle to the customer so far. Nothing to do with growing up or losing childish dreams, it's just not as good this time imo.
Pheex 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 8:39 
I haven't been excited for a summer sale for a very long time.

Steam used to have actually top-of-the-web discounts, now not really anymore.

It's all just 15% this, 20% that and even ancient games just go to 50%, some dinosaurs maybe 75 but those are usually on sale every two weeks all year round.

Ten years ago there were actually insane deals where pretty new games could just slap you across the face with an insane 75% discount.
Prof.Jackie 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 8:54 
引用自 Odra
Many diligently storm forums of new releases parroting "remember, no pre-orders"

This has nothing to do with discounts or sale events. There are legitimate reason against preorders in general.
Frequens 2023 年 6 月 29 日 下午 8:59 
引用自 CoronaExtra
引用自 Zefar
The event games where generally disliked by people and Valve noticed that when they removed them people would just shop more.

Same was with other type of events like those Flash sales. It made people wait until the very last day before buying and when that happened, the store crashed. Sale ended and people couldn't get the games they wanted that where on sale.
Or they bought it quickly and then later saw it being on flash sale.



Now customers are browsing the deals in peace and buy the stuff they want.

The real reason is Steam has a monopoly on PC gaming and knows they don't need to try anymore.
:steamthis:Yeah you both pretty much nailed it.
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