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Ryan Matal Mar 9, 2023 @ 3:42am
Playing two different games on two different PCs at the same time
How can I accomplish what's described in the title?

I have two PCs, each running a Steam client registered to my one Steam account.

Now, I fully understand that I can't play one game on two machines at once, that would be abusive and understandably forbidden, but I HAVE to be able to run two DIFFERENT games via the Steam cliens on two different machines at the same time - or even ten games on ten different machines, if that's what I want to do for whatever reason. I can't see any reason why that's made impossible by Steam, I've bought all the games separately and I HAVE to be able to let my family use them, one at a time, and using one Steam account to run multiple machines at once can't be a technical impossibility.

So - @Steam, release an update to enable this, I believe preventing that isn't exactly legal, is it?
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Cathulhu Mar 9, 2023 @ 3:44am 
Easily possible. Get every family member their own account.
You are not allowed to share your account with anyone, including family members.
d3str0y3r Mar 9, 2023 @ 3:46am 
Originally posted by michicaust:
How can I accomplish what's described in the title?

I have two PCs, each running a Steam client registered to my one Steam account.

Now, I fully understand that I can't play one game on two machines at once, that would be abusive and understandably forbidden, but I HAVE to be able to run two DIFFERENT games via the Steam cliens on two different machines at the same time - or even ten games on ten different machines, if that's what I want to do for whatever reason. I can't see any reason why that's made impossible by Steam, I've bought all the games separately and I HAVE to be able to let my family use them, one at a time, and using one Steam account to run multiple machines at once can't be a technical impossibility.

So - @Steam, release an update to enable this, I believe preventing that isn't exactly legal, is it?

It is 100% legal and you agreed to not share your account when anyone.
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement
ReBoot Mar 9, 2023 @ 3:47am 
A Steam library has never been a family games shelf. If anything, it's the family XBox: when your daughter plays Pony Island, you can't simultaneously play Postal on the same XBox.

If you want to play 2 games from the same library at the same time, whyever you wouldn't want to buy your daughter Pony Island on her own account, use offline mode.

As for this being legal, you're REALLY late to the party. The first people to complain about this were there over 10 years ago! Don't you think that if this really was illegal, this would've been a legal case with customer protection agencies somewhere? It's not like Valve had none of those, I remember EU authorities going after them (that was well over 10 years ago), I remember Australian authorities going after them.

This topic not being touched legally AT ALL can mean to things:
1. You're the only genius in this world to think of it
2. It's actually damn ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ legal

No idea (nor care) which of those 2 you consider likely but I bet whatever you want, it's #2.
Last edited by ReBoot; Mar 9, 2023 @ 3:47am
Crazy Tiger Mar 9, 2023 @ 3:57am 
Originally posted by michicaust:
but I HAVE to be able to run two DIFFERENT games via the Steam cliens on two different machines at the same time
No, you want to do that. Entirely different.

Originally posted by michicaust:
I believe preventing that isn't exactly legal, is it?
It's not. What you own are licenses for personal use, that's it. It's perfectly legal.

And it's this way to prevent people from renting out their accounts to people, meaning both Valve and the developers/publishers lose money.

You have some options:
- Create other accounts, family share your library to them and use the workaround that your account plays in offline mode while the one other account plays in online mode (has to, for verification that they have access to your library). Keep in mind, only one account can access a library;
- Give everybody their own account and ensure they have the games they want to play on their own accounts;
- Do a mix of the previous two.
Brian9824 Mar 9, 2023 @ 3:59am 
Originally posted by michicaust:
I've bought all the games separately and I HAVE to be able to let my family use them, one at a time, and using one Steam account to run multiple machines at once can't be a technical impossibility.

So - @Steam, release an update to enable this, I believe preventing that isn't exactly legal, is it?

Its not impossible, its designed ot prevent piracy. You bought a PERSONAL license. So you can't share your accounts. Its perfectly legal. Only options are family sharing and off line mode.

Don't expect it to change otherwise people would just share their accounts with friends and cost developers billions in sales.
ReBoot Mar 9, 2023 @ 4:18am 
Originally posted by hypehype:
Because you can't resell/trade or even lend the game, for me, that lowers their value and I refuse to buy at full price.
Quite frankly, buying @ full price is kinda dumb anyway, especially with constant sales...
Ryan Matal Mar 9, 2023 @ 5:31am 
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
No, you want to do that. Entirely different.

No it is not, and I'll explain why.

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
It's not. What you own are licenses for personal use, that's it. It's perfectly legal.

That is exactly the point.

I own licenses for personal use. If I buy a game at, say, Walmart, or two, or ten, I can give/lend them to my kids, my wife, my brother, for playing them, after or before me, and I and they can play one game each at the same time, perfectly legal, and that's called "personal use".

Now, what Steam does, is like Walmart somehow telling me I can't do that, that I cannot give one legally bought game to my son to play while I simultaneously play another game, because I bought these two games at the same store!? And you seem to be okay with that?

This is NOT about "renting out an account to people", this is about preventing ME from legally using the licenses for the games I bought via Steam, as it would also be the case if I bought these games anywhere else. I get that Steam WANTS to prevent me from exercising my rights in order to allegedly make more money, but does that make it LEGAL? Or acceptable in any way?

I mean, I could buy my games somewhere else, or create 200+ Steam accounts, one for each game I graciously buy on/for their platform, if Steam continues to be that hostile against its paying customers.

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
And it's this way to prevent people from renting out their accounts to people, meaning both Valve and the developers/publishers lose money.

That's just the point, the publishers, whose games I bought, do NOT lose money, see above. I just won't buy games on/for Steam anymore, then.

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
You have some options:
- Create other accounts, family share your library to them and use the workaround that your account plays in offline mode while the one other account plays in online mode (has to, for verification that they have access to your library). Keep in mind, only one account can access a library

I'll try that offline mode, thanks for the tip! :)

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
- Give everybody their own account and ensure they have the games they want to play on their own accounts;

The problem is, I surely will not buy a game twice if my son/wife/brother and I want to play a certain game at some time each - again, NOT at the same time.
ShelLuser Mar 9, 2023 @ 6:15am 
Even back in the 80's every cd you installed had this disclaimer as well: game is for personal use, not meant to be shared or installed on multiple computers.

There's nothing new here..

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Originally posted by michicaust:
That is exactly the point.

I own licenses for personal use. If I buy a game at, say, Walmart, or two, or ten, I can give/lend them to my kids, my wife, my brother, for playing them, after or before me, and I and they can play one game each at the same time, perfectly legal, and that's called "personal use".
No, it's not. If others are playing your games ("using your license") then it's not personal use anymore.

Just because you could do it doesn't make it legal. I can easily run a red light and argue that because I could I was allowed to. It doesn't work that way.

Read the license agreement and you'll see. Nothing changed here.
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Ryan Matal Mar 9, 2023 @ 11:51am 
Originally posted by ShelLuser:
Even back in the 80's every cd you installed had this disclaimer as well: game is for personal use, not meant to be shared or installed on multiple computers.

Thing is, a) in the 80s you installed games from diskettes, not CDs, and b) this is an entirely different point? "To share or install on another computer" meant/implied that you could, theoretically, USE the SAME GAME on different computers AT ONCE, e. g. pirate a game, which was/is illegal and not the topic here.

That is something very different from "having game data installed for one account, on several machines, that can only be used one instance at a time". One cannot play the same game on several computers at once, Steam's mechanic forbids that and that is perfectly fine and not the problem, that's not what I intend to circumvent.

I am talking about using the shopping platform, on which I individually and independently bought these games from, on more than one computer at the same time so I can play two individually, absolutely separate, DIFFERENT games on two separate machines. That, of course, isn't "sharing" anything (except the proverbial Walmart bill for these games, maybe), since each game can only be used on one computer at a time. "Back in the 80s" it was also perfectly fine to play a game, then let another person play that very same game when you're not currently doing so. Yes, that's perfectly, legally "personal use", like handing a console controller to your brother when you're done playing.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
No, it's not. If others are playing your games ("using your license") then it's not personal use anymore.

Yes, it is. "Personal use" is something very different from "personalized use", these are two different things.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
Just because you could do it doesn't make it legal. I can easily run a red light and argue that because I could I was allowed to. It doesn't work that way.

Like this parable.
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Crazy Tiger Mar 9, 2023 @ 12:09pm 
The licensor decides the terms of the license, not the licensee. Whatever your personal definition of "personal use" is, is irrelevant in this. And yes, the terms Steam has are perfectly legal. And until the way licensing works changes by law, it will remain legal.

And it's fine if you don't like the terms Steam has, though that doesn't mean Valve has to change the terms. You can use the offline workaround for a large amount of the games. And if it all still doesn't suit you, there are other platforms available. GoG is DRM-free, so that platform probably suits you best.

Personally I don't have an issue with how Steam functions, family sharing to my kids works perfectly fine for us. As does buying them their own games on their own accounts when on sales (mostly on keyseller sites, mind). But I don't limit myself to only Steam either.

I can fully understand why the licenses work as they do. Would I want it to be different? Sure. But people being people is why we can't have nice things.
ShelLuser Mar 9, 2023 @ 12:41pm 
Originally posted by michicaust:
Originally posted by ShelLuser:
Even back in the 80's every cd you installed had this disclaimer as well: game is for personal use, not meant to be shared or installed on multiple computers.

Thing is, a) in the 80s you installed games from diskettes, not CDs,
True, but the argument still applies. In fact, I can argue that it was only worse back then.

... depending on how you look at it: copy protection was also very easy to bypass. It drove 'm mad, up to a point where you could buy a C64 game and it wouldn't run because of anal copy protection schemes.

Originally posted by michicaust:
and b) this is an entirely different point? "To share or install on another computer" meant/implied that you could, theoretically, USE the SAME GAME on different computers AT ONCE, e. g. pirate a game, which was/is illegal and not the topic here.
Yes it was, because you're arguing against Steam preventing you to do so. And the only reason they do... is due to licensing issues.

It's not my fault that you apparently never bothered to read those.

And for the record... don't get my feedback in the wrong way. When it comes to Steam I can only agree (edit): side with them, but when it comes to "loose media" I also think that they're overdoing it and being a bit over-zealous.

Originally posted by michicaust:
I am talking about using the shopping platform, on which I individually and independently bought these games from, on more than one computer at the same time so I can play two individually, absolutely separate, DIFFERENT games on two separate machines.
Talk about lame excuses 101.

You still don't seem to get it: you never bought a game, you bought a license. Not a license to kill but one to play that game. That's what Steam is all about: personal licenses.

Even though you enter a grey area when it comes to hard storage (5.25", CD's, etc.) I can only agree that it should be allowed to install on 2 - 3 computers and have fun. The problem here.. is that there are always "some bad people" (quote: one awesome female personal assistent from GTA5) who will abuse all of that. Leaving the devs who got you the awesome game with nothing.

But this is Steam we're talking about. Digital media. It's not the same, not at all.

I sometimes play GTA5 online & Elite Dangerous with my gf (always silly in Los Santos: me being a girl (guy IRL) and vica versa...). Thing is: when gf made up her mind that she wanted to play together, we got her her own license as well. That's just how it works on Steam.

Originally posted by michicaust:
Originally posted by ShelLuser:
No, it's not. If others are playing your games ("using your license") then it's not personal use anymore.

Yes, it is. "Personal use" is something very different from "personalized use", these are two different things.
You're only making it obvious for all to see that you never bothered to read a license agreement yet still pretend you know how things work. There's a reason why all of them start with a definition section. It doesn't matter what you think something should mean, all that matters is what the license agreement says.
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Boblin the Goblin Mar 9, 2023 @ 12:46pm 
Originally posted by michicaust:
Originally posted by ShelLuser:
Even back in the 80's every cd you installed had this disclaimer as well: game is for personal use, not meant to be shared or installed on multiple computers.

Thing is, a) in the 80s you installed games from diskettes, not CDs, and b) this is an entirely different point? "To share or install on another computer" meant/implied that you could, theoretically, USE the SAME GAME on different computers AT ONCE, e. g. pirate a game, which was/is illegal and not the topic here.

That is something very different from "having game data installed for one account, on several machines, that can only be used one instance at a time". One cannot play the same game on several computers at once, Steam's mechanic forbids that and that is perfectly fine and not the problem, that's not what I intend to circumvent.

I am talking about using the shopping platform, on which I individually and independently bought these games from, on more than one computer at the same time so I can play two individually, absolutely separate, DIFFERENT games on two separate machines. That, of course, isn't "sharing" anything (except the proverbial Walmart bill for these games, maybe), since each game can only be used on one computer at a time. "Back in the 80s" it was also perfectly fine to play a game, then let another person play that very same game when you're not currently doing so. Yes, that's perfectly, legally "personal use", like handing a console controller to your brother when you're done playing.

The rules didn't change, just the enforcement of them. Even when you buy a game on Steam, you are only buying a license for the game to be run by you and you alone(just like it always has been) and not by anyone else. When you launch a game through Steam, Steam uses their tools to enforce this licensing for everything in your library.


Originally posted by michicaust:
Originally posted by ShelLuser:
No, it's not. If others are playing your games ("using your license") then it's not personal use anymore.

Yes, it is. "Personal use" is something very different from "personalized use", these are two different things.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
Just because you could do it doesn't make it legal. I can easily run a red light and argue that because I could I was allowed to. It doesn't work that way.

Like this parable.


You still don't get to decide what personal use is, the owner of the content does. They have decided that personal use is one instance on one machine at a time.
76561198407601200 Mar 9, 2023 @ 12:53pm 
Originally posted by michicaust:
How can I accomplish what's described in the title?

I have two PCs, each running a Steam client registered to my one Steam account.

Now, I fully understand that I can't play one game on two machines at once, that would be abusive and understandably forbidden, but I HAVE to be able to run two DIFFERENT games via the Steam cliens on two different machines at the same time - or even ten games on ten different machines, if that's what I want to do for whatever reason. I can't see any reason why that's made impossible by Steam, I've bought all the games separately and I HAVE to be able to let my family use them, one at a time, and using one Steam account to run multiple machines at once can't be a technical impossibility.

So - @Steam, release an update to enable this, I believe preventing that isn't exactly legal, is it?
Steam functions fine in this regard meaning if you are logged into your account on two different computers it will only allow you to play any game on your library from only 1 of those computers at a time. Believe it or not developers enjoy being paid for their games, so if you're wanting to lend your account to your friends so they don't have to pay for a copy then you are sol. Regarding the legalities of it, what they are doing is perfectly legal, but then again you could go to court for it just to test that.
Ryan Matal Mar 9, 2023 @ 2:59pm 
Originally posted by ShelLuser:
Yes it was, because you're arguing against Steam preventing you to do so.

Eh... no. I explicitly did not. Once more, for the n-th time: I do not want to play one game on two machines at once. I want to play different games on different computers, each of which I've bought separately and paid for separately, at the same time.

Like if I had two gaming consoles; On console A I play game X, while on console B I play game Y.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
It's not my fault that you apparently never bothered to read those.

What can I say... people seem to not always read what they're replying to properly.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
Talk about lame excuses 101.

I don't need an excuse, there is nothing to excuse but my right to use what I've paid for. Yeah, I get that Steam would like to sell every member of my family each game I buy for our household separately, but that - to turn the table - is not how it works, and it can be written ten times in Steam's terms of service, that doesn't make it any more valid. If Steam's TOS said one of their reps has the right to watch me shower naked once a month when using that service, that'd be just as 'right'.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
You still don't seem to get it: you never bought a game, you bought a license. Not a license to kill but one to play that game. That's what Steam is all about: personal licenses.

I am fully aware of that. Once more here, too: A "personal license" is something entirely different from a "personalized license", which is what you are describing and/or probably mean. A "personal license" just means that I cannot use that game in a commercial context, that I cannot make money with it in any way. Letting my family use it IS part of a "personal license". Steam's conduct in this matter is just a sneaky and legally very questionable way to sneak around this that's sadly just accepted by most, it seems.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
Even though you enter a grey area when it comes to hard storage (5.25", CD's, etc.) I can only agree that it should be allowed to install on 2 - 3 computers and have fun. The problem here.. is that there are always "some bad people" (quote: one awesome female personal assistent from GTA5) who will abuse all of that. Leaving the devs who got you the awesome game with nothing.

"Leaving the devs with nothing" is what a pirate does, regardless of me sharing my Steam account full of paid games with my family members; restricting a paying customer is doing nothing against that and just drives some of us to seek out less customer hostile options. Although I do not condone it, I wouldn't be surprised if some even consider... more extreme options than that.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
But this is Steam we're talking about. Digital media. It's not the same, not at all.

That's what some WANT to be the status quo, doesn't mean we have to accept it like that.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
I sometimes play GTA5 online & Elite Dangerous with my gf (always silly in Los Santos: me being a girl (guy IRL) and vica versa...). Thing is: when gf made up her mind that she wanted to play together, we got her her own license as well. That's just how it works on Steam.

And that's how it should work, and practically always did, no challenge here from my side.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:
You're only making it obvious for all to see that you never bothered to read a license agreement yet still pretend you know how things work. There's a reason why all of them start with a definition section. It doesn't matter what you think something should mean, all that matters is what the license agreement says.

I do know well what's in there; I already stated my thoughts about that.
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🆉🅰🅸🅶 Mar 9, 2023 @ 3:03pm 
your family can create a free account and then you can share your library with ,but only one member can play from a game from one account .
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