Scam companies admitted to steam

[Xunzul]

I play game from 1985, im able to recognize when im playing to a game or a scam game like slot machines. Several games flag as free2play are litterally controlled by AI and in some cases lots of players ipotised the same company sell cheats in the black market while in the game they aren't banned, or only some type of cheats are banned. Even games as World of Warship where match a clearly controlled by AI first in the match making and after on the accuracy and damage of each player. Lots ask for proofs, but we're players not detectives, when a big mass of people smell the scam, why steam don't investigate on it? Why players don't count and seems only money count ?

We're here to get entertainment not being scammed, look to all the topics open on PUBG, look how poeple disappear on World of Warship board only cos they saying things about their experience on the game.

Steam is becoming the scammers market? That the way for the future of gaming ? Im very depressed that either steam stop to defend players and genuine gaming, it's very bad, bad bad! Look at the post down of this, even WarThunder, the same of world of tanks ships ecc ecc... all the same slot machines to scam players.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Games having micro-transactions does not mean they aren't free to play. You are able to earn things in the game without paying. While this is usually done through very intense and long grinding, it still can be done.

There is no evidence that AI is controlling the games. There are some games that will fill missing player slots(like with PUBG) with bots so people don't have to wait too long to find matches. With PUBG being as popular as it is, it is doubtful they have to do so.

Game devs are in control of their game forums unless they choose not to opt out having Steam Support mod the forums. They can set their own rules to an extent for their forums.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Xunzul の投稿を引用：

Scam companies admitted to steam

I play game from 1985, im able to recognize when im playing to a game or a scam game like slot machines. Several games flag as free2play are litterally controlled by AI and in some cases lots of players ipotised the same company sell cheats in the black market while in the game they aren't banned, or only some type of cheats are banned. Even games as World of Warship where match a clearly controlled by AI first in the match making and after on the accuracy and damage of each player. Lots ask for proofs, but we're players not detectives, when a big mass of people smell the scam, why steam don't investigate on it? Why players don't count and seems only money count ?

We're here to get entertainment not being scammed, look to all the topics open on PUBG, look how poeple disappear on World of Warship board only cos they saying things about their experience on the game.

Steam is becoming the scammers market? That the way for the future of gaming ? Im very depressed that either steam stop to defend players and genuine gaming, it's very bad, bad bad! Look at the post down of this, even WarThunder, the same of world of tanks ships ecc ecc... all the same slot machines to scam players.

Be prepared to back up the "scam" allegations with some hard evidence before you say it is.

They can take action against defamatory allegation statements.

[ShelLuser]

Everything you say can also be applied to games on the Google ("Android") app store.

I know one game which is very eager to push "powerups" in your face and if you depleted 'm... maybe you want to buy some more jewels in order to buy more powerups?

The thing is: I can proof that those games are rigged. Play a "insane hard" level several times a day and you'll fail. Try again the next morning... oh dear: you just need 1 - 6 tiles, something you might have been able to do with a powerup.

Then just stop playing the game for 2 - 3 weeks, try again and lo and behold: that ultra hard level will be completed without any help what so ever. Ergo the game is rigged.

Thing is though... no one is forcing people to pour money into all that. If you think the game is rigged, then why would you in the first place?

[Crazy Tiger]

All you're doing, OP, is further devalue the word "scam". It doesn't mean "stuff I don't like".

[Xunzul]

They can't take any action aganist the truth, for this reason many players saying it and lots of them don't take any action aganist ffor diffamatory allegiation statements. Im a player, my experience in the game is a feedback, what i think, what i experience and what i see is a feedback; after that, i play those games cos i like it, why i have to be defamatory aganist them ? Wich purpose? Players explain what they see and wha they experience and get banned, threatened, insulted and steam support only game devs, never seen a player supported aganist a game dev in "this program", why people feedbacks aren't listened? Why if lots of players think the company scam them with the game, steam don't investigate about it? Why?

[Xunzul]

ShelLuser の投稿を引用：

Everything you say can also be applied to games on the Google ("Android") app store.

I know one game which is very eager to push "powerups" in your face and if you depleted 'm... maybe you want to buy some more jewels in order to buy more powerups?

The thing is: I can proof that those games are rigged. Play a "insane hard" level several times a day and you'll fail. Try again the next morning... oh dear: you just need 1 - 6 tiles, something you might have been able to do with a powerup.

Then just stop playing the game for 2 - 3 weeks, try again and lo and behold: that ultra hard level will be completed without any help what so ever. Ergo the game is rigged.

Thing is though... no one is forcing people to pour money into all that. If you think the game is rigged, then why would you in the first place?

Yes, that game is rigged as u say, nice explanation u give, i agree, the bad part is, "gamedevs saying the game isn't rigged, it's random, ask to you player for evidence, then silence u and after that if u insist they ban u".

If the game is rigged, then write on the description "rigged game free2play", so it can't be called anymore scam.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Xunzul の投稿を引用：

They can't take any action aganist the truth, for this reason many players saying it and lots of them don't take any action aganist ffor diffamatory allegiation statements. Im a player, my experience in the game is a feedback, what i think, what i experience and what i see is a feedback; after that, i play those games cos i like it, why i have to be defamatory aganist them ? Wich purpose? Players explain what they see and wha they experience and get banned, threatened, insulted and steam support only game devs, never seen a player supported aganist a game dev in "this program", why people feedbacks aren't listened? Why if lots of players think the company scam them with the game, steam don't investigate about it? Why?

Because Microtransactions are not scams, what you think is feedback may be true but what you claim to be a scam is false, thats not how it works and its never been how it works to begin with, alot of games have them and their as far from the term of a scam as it gets.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Xunzul の投稿を引用：

ShelLuser の投稿を引用：

Everything you say can also be applied to games on the Google ("Android") app store.

I know one game which is very eager to push "powerups" in your face and if you depleted 'm... maybe you want to buy some more jewels in order to buy more powerups?

The thing is: I can proof that those games are rigged. Play a "insane hard" level several times a day and you'll fail. Try again the next morning... oh dear: you just need 1 - 6 tiles, something you might have been able to do with a powerup.

Then just stop playing the game for 2 - 3 weeks, try again and lo and behold: that ultra hard level will be completed without any help what so ever. Ergo the game is rigged.

Thing is though... no one is forcing people to pour money into all that. If you think the game is rigged, then why would you in the first place?

Yes, that game is rigged as u say, nice explanation u give, i agree, the bad part is, "gamedevs saying the game isn't rigged, it's random, ask to you player for evidence, then silence u and after that if u insist they ban u".

If the game is rigged, then write on the description "rigged game free2play", so it can't be called anymore scam.

Rigged or not, still not a scam, that is simply what is more or less amounts to pay to win, AKA microtransactions resulting in one player having advantage over the other which is something that while sucks, is not a scam.

[Crazy Tiger]

Xunzul の投稿を引用：

Why if lots of players think the company scam them with the game, steam don't investigate about it? Why?

Because developers are allowed to run their games as they see fit. If they want their game to be pay to win/progress, that's fine.

Just because people complain about something doesn't mean it needs to be investigated or even changed. Those players can also simply choose to stop playing the game if it isn't the way they like it.

[Xunzul]

But if they attract players saying their game is not pay2win but the players see they lie and the game is effectively pay2win?

What if they say in the supermarket that was milk of cow and after you drink it u discover it's only milk of bull ? That's not a scam ? The scam isn't the lie behind what developers sell? (Product disinformation)

Why if i discover that the game is rigger and i said it togheter with others players, they ban me and steam approve it ?

Edit: Saying it's not scam isn't the truth and don't make it real, isn't enough cos i think is simple the difference from a scam and a genuine thing and it's nothing must be teach to other, all can recognize a scam, the hard work is for them who want to hide it with disinformation.

[ShelLuser]

Xunzul の投稿を引用：

Yes, that game is rigged as u say, nice explanation u give, i agree, the bad part is, "gamedevs saying the game isn't rigged, it's random, ask to you player for evidence, then silence u and after that if u insist they ban u".

Never happened to me, and I've been critical of plenty of games.

There's a huge difference between saying that you think a game is rigged or... actually accusing the game of scamming people. The last part is plain out slander, even my comment above doesn't prove any scamming going on in the slightest.

It's not a scam if you provide players with an option to pay 2 win, even if the winning aspect is rigged. Because since when is a p2w a guaranteed fact?

What gamer doesn't know about lootboxes for example?

But even so, in the end you always have a choice... don't pour money into that crap. Done.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Xunzul の投稿を引用：

But if they attract players saying their game is not pay2win but the players see they lie and the game is effectively pay2win?

What if they say in the supermarket that was milk of cow and after you drink it u discover it's only milk of bull ? That's not a scam ? The scam isn't the lie behind what developers sell? (Product disinformation)

That my sir is what is literally just a skill issue, ya World of Warships provides the means to get different items but just because you have them does not mean you get an advantage in a game, at that point it comes down to the player to properly use the thing they bought properly.

Hell the number of card-style gacha games that exist that do this yet people get mad when their super legendary hero is not on the same par as the literal same hero of another player literally comes down to the fact the other guy grinded the gear out, maxed that heroes skills out and ranked them up.

Hell Warthunder is legendarily known for getting nerfs in games who is made by the same people as world of warships when something is to over powered, once the nerf is done the better player will OF COURSE always be on top regardless if more then one person has the same aircraft or ship.

[Xunzul]

Cos for example i pay to but PUBG, it become free2play after it and cheaters increase, so im in a free2play that i bought here. On world of warship i never spent a single $ and infact i can say, the game is rigged, but forum moderators wasn't agree with me, so start insult, start say i have to learn to play, then ban me, closed the topic e delete some of my writings to hide. If this is justice....

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Xunzul の投稿を引用：

Cos for example i pay to but PUBG, it become free2play after it and cheaters increase, so im in a free2play that i bought here. On world of warship i never spent a single $ and infact i can say, the game is rigged, but forum moderators wasn't agree with me, so start insult, start say i have to learn to play, then ban me, closed the topic e delete some of my writings to hide. If this is justice....

Regardless if its rigged or not, game developers and their asigned moderatiors can do as they want in their game area, if you go to a game and start an arguement I can 100% say you'll find the door very swiftly by that games moderators, the fact that they said "learn to play" literally means that your upset about people who are better at the game yourself actually outright says its not rigged and you were being killed in it by people who are just better

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Xunzul の投稿を引用：

Cos for example i pay to but PUBG, it become free2play after it and cheaters increase, so im in a free2play that i bought here.

TF2 and CS:GO were once paid but turned F2P and they had the same issues.

You want to call Valve a scammer?