8 of the 10 best selling games worldwide are "free"

[muckymucks]

Gamers love to complain about microtransactions. They're a cancer on the gaming industry, they say. Gamers also apparently love microtransactions because the Steam global selling chart shows 8 of the 10 best selling games are free-to-play.

I hate gamers, obviously, and this is just one of many reasons. So every time someone complains about microtransaction they've probably spent hundreds of dollars on said microtransactions.




Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
Dota 2
Apex Legends™
Lost Ark
PUBG: BATTLEGROUNDS
War Thunder
Destiny 2
Warframe

[FOXDUDE69]

Leonardo Da Pinchi님이 먼저 게시:

FOX6NINE님이 먼저 게시:

TBH if you gonna splash that kinda money on a F2P game, Warframe is one of the best options out there.

This is something we can agree on, PoE looks good too but the huge skill system put me off, just cuz I love to min-max a bit too much and I'd get migraines trying to make a min-max build. Lol

I feel you, and I have the same issue, however I believe PoE2 will be a bit more easy on people like us than the original, you might wanna give that a try when it eventually launches.

[Xhoas]

FOX6NINE님이 먼저 게시:

Shoas님이 먼저 게시:

Are you talking about the game where kids used their parent's credit card multiple times to buy thousand of dollars of vbuck? How is that not an addiction?

Also bad very yes, but not as bad as seeing your offspring become cripplingly addicted to gambling. Over time, that'll bring a lot more misery.
EPIC was fined half a billion for their bad practices. And rightly so.
On the bright side, those kids are likely not paying attention to CSGO, so overall, that's an gigantic positive.

Valve on the other hand is introducing kids to gambling and hasn't been fined yet because they operate in a legally grey area.
"oh, they are gambling through our market, through our API, using our skins, and we are profiting from it but that totally has nothing to do with us and we don't condone it." *wink wink
This illusion of distance fools no one apart from those willing to fool themselves.

As a father and a CSGO player, I'd have no problem buying my offspring a season pass for Fortnite, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I ever buy them CSGO Premium, being exposed to gambling at a young age is possibly the worst thing modern gaming can do to a kid.

But Valve said multiple times that they have nothing to do with those external websites and Valve doesn’t allow players to turn their winnings into real money when they spend cash deposited in their Steam Wallet. And even if they took a trading site down another one will pop up somewhere else...

[cinedine]

FOX6NINE님이 먼저 게시:

Also bad very yes, but not as bad as seeing your offspring become cripplingly addicted to gambling. Over time, that'll bring a lot more misery.

One teaches you the virtues of gambling and a perversion of the American Dream (if I am lucky enough, I can make it big, too), the other teaches you to rely on other people's validation and judging things by the look.

Both are far from healthy for young minds.
And both can drive you deeply into debts. One by gambling away your money, the other by spending your money on bling and brands, if possible by buying in easy monthly installments.

The problem is not what games have on offer, but the community's take on this. Whether you are the cool kid with a factory-new Hell Kitty skin Bayonette or the latest battlepass level 100 reward skin is ultimately the same.

[Pierce Dalton]

FOX6NINE님이 먼저 게시:

Pierce Dalton님이 먼저 게시:

Is that true or are you trying to farm a certain award?

Probably true. I put about 300 euros into PoE

Well, you see, that's why microtransactions will never go away

If we're talking about free games AND cosmetic items, though, I see nothing wrong with them.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Pierce Dalton님이 먼저 게시:

FOX6NINE님이 먼저 게시:

Probably true. I put about 300 euros into PoE

Well, you see, that's why microtransactions will never go away

If we're talking about free games AND cosmetic items, though, I see nothing wrong with them.

Warframe isn't pay 2 win, most everything you buy with plat is either 100% cosmetic, or can be earned in-game.

It's more pay to save time/cut the grind down.

[cinedine]

Pierce Dalton님이 먼저 게시:

If we're talking about free games AND cosmetic items, though, I see nothing wrong with them.

And where does it cross a line for you?

I don't have a problem with paying for more content for example. Or for quality of life upgrades like ESO's crafting bag, or POE's various stash tabs.

I don't get why some gamers are ubermilitant about cosmetics. That's exactly what I would not be willing to pay for. I I'd hate seeing a studio getting focused on making the umpteenth skin just because that's what they can monetise instead of it going towards providing new content or fixing bugs.

Like WoW, where you can buy mounts in the cash-shop. Great. They don't do anything different than the 1000 mounts in-game already, though. Well, the first one was a sparkling pony to make it obvious to everyone that you spent money for it, but nowadays people probably wouldn't even be able to tell.
Give me a second reagent tab in my bank for a tenner, I am in.

[Brian9824]

cinedine님이 먼저 게시:

I don't get why some gamers are ubermilitant about cosmetics. That's exactly what I would not be willing to pay for. I I'd hate seeing a studio getting focused on making the umpteenth skin just because that's what they can monetise instead of it going towards providing new content or fixing bugs.

Your making a massive mistake with your logic in assuming the two are exclusive. I'd much rather have all the pay items in a game be cosmetic, and the money from that used to fund new content and bug fixes.

It's not like having cosmetics being made somehow means they can't have a team focused on new content as well

[Silenius]

muckymucks님이 먼저 게시:

Gamers love to complain about microtransactions. They're a cancer on the gaming industry, they say. Gamers also apparently love microtransactions because the Steam global selling chart shows 8 of the 10 best selling games are free-to-play.

I hate gamers, obviously, and this is just one of many reasons. So every time someone complains about microtransaction they've probably spent hundreds of dollars on said microtransactions.




Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
Dota 2
Apex Legends™
Lost Ark
PUBG: BATTLEGROUNDS
War Thunder
Destiny 2
Warframe

Wat?

[Xhoas]

Lorne Malvo님이 먼저 게시:

muckymucks님이 먼저 게시:

Gamers love to complain about microtransactions. They're a cancer on the gaming industry, they say. Gamers also apparently love microtransactions because the Steam global selling chart shows 8 of the 10 best selling games are free-to-play.

I hate gamers, obviously, and this is just one of many reasons. So every time someone complains about microtransaction they've probably spent hundreds of dollars on said microtransactions.




Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
Dota 2
Apex Legends™
Lost Ark
PUBG: BATTLEGROUNDS
War Thunder
Destiny 2
Warframe

Wat?

I think he hate gamers for many reasons...

[VSF_Paweł Jumper]

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[Babi Gendut]

Shoas님이 먼저 게시:

FOX6NINE님이 먼저 게시:

Also bad very yes, but not as bad as seeing your offspring become cripplingly addicted to gambling. Over time, that'll bring a lot more misery.
EPIC was fined half a billion for their bad practices. And rightly so.
On the bright side, those kids are likely not paying attention to CSGO, so overall, that's an gigantic positive.

Valve on the other hand is introducing kids to gambling and hasn't been fined yet because they operate in a legally grey area.
"oh, they are gambling through our market, through our API, using our skins, and we are profiting from it but that totally has nothing to do with us and we don't condone it." *wink wink
This illusion of distance fools no one apart from those willing to fool themselves.

As a father and a CSGO player, I'd have no problem buying my offspring a season pass for Fortnite, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I ever buy them CSGO Premium, being exposed to gambling at a young age is possibly the worst thing modern gaming can do to a kid.

But Valve said multiple times that they have nothing to do with those external websites and Valve doesn’t allow players to turn their winnings into real money when they spend cash deposited in their Steam Wallet. And even if they took a trading site down another one will pop up somewhere else...

Valve can say whatever they want but the fact still stands :

Skin gambling business use csgo skins as their main commodity and use steam trading and marketplace as hub to transfer items. Those are valve IPs.

If valve really want to get rid of gambling and not just empty words, they should have removed the trading aspect of csgo, dota2 and tf2. Make all in game items that players got, to be account bound. Just like WoW and any other online games out there.

Also you can use steam wallet to earn real money. One example, offer your friends a steam game for cheap and send them the game via steam gifting system. You won't get much but it's still a business.

[Pierce Dalton]

cinedine님이 먼저 게시:

Pierce Dalton님이 먼저 게시:

If we're talking about free games AND cosmetic items, though, I see nothing wrong with them.

And where does it cross a line for you?

I don't have a problem with paying for more content for example. Or for quality of life upgrades like ESO's crafting bag, or POE's various stash tabs.

I don't get why some gamers are ubermilitant about cosmetics. That's exactly what I would not be willing to pay for. I I'd hate seeing a studio getting focused on making the umpteenth skin just because that's what they can monetise instead of it going towards providing new content or fixing bugs.

Like WoW, where you can buy mounts in the cash-shop. Great. They don't do anything different than the 1000 mounts in-game already, though. Well, the first one was a sparkling pony to make it obvious to everyone that you spent money for it, but nowadays people probably wouldn't even be able to tell.
Give me a second reagent tab in my bank for a tenner, I am in.

Oh I'm not interested in cosmetics as well, not even in the slightest... still, for MP games I think it's better to sell only cosmetics to keep the game fair for everyone.

I mean, people like us may not give a damn about cosmetics, but there's always people to buy them if the game is popular.

[Unexpected]

i can forgive free games for it since they need to make money somehow, my grievance comes when paid for games sell you microtransactions

[Tito Shivan]

Babi Gendut님이 먼저 게시:

Skin gambling business use csgo skins as their main commodity and use steam trading and marketplace as hub to transfer items. Those are valve IPs.

Skin gambling sites cannot make use of the Steam Marketplace, as it's not user driven. They rely on old-style trading for moving the items around.

[Pierce Dalton]

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

Babi Gendut님이 먼저 게시:

Skin gambling business use csgo skins as their main commodity and use steam trading and marketplace as hub to transfer items. Those are valve IPs.

Skin gambling sites cannot make use of the Steam Marketplace, as it's not user driven. They rely on old-style trading for moving the items around.

Hmm

What if these sites have to p... oh, nevermind. I'm sure Valve would never do that.