Achievement cheaters ?

[Soul]

Why steam don't do anything about achievement cheaters ? I see ton of profiles with a lot of games 100% when I check the stats ! all the achievement have been done in the same time and steam really don't care

[bob & blobby]

If i remember correctly all achievements unlocked at same time can be caused by playing game named X in offline mode and then going online after that.

So what i'm saying is that not everyone who have it unlocked at same time is cheating them.
Might just be an offline gamer. They do exist you know.

[Crazy Tiger]

Valve isn't interested in doing so. It's also questionable that it really is a big issue and therefore a priority at all.

That said, acheivements unlocking at the same time can also happen when someone played a game offline. Though that, obviously, only goes for singleplayer games, not MP.

[Satoru]

You can't 'fix' this. Achievements are functionally done via web calls. All the game does is say "hey steam player X, unlocked achievement Y" via a web call.

The only way you can make this 'secure' is to make ALL achievements servers side. Steam already has server side achievements. This ensures that only a secured game server can make these web calls and steam only trusts these web calls from these servers. So even if you try to spoof the call, Steam rejects it

Aka sure if you want to make all games multiplayer only then sure you can 'fix' this

As long as you send the achievements via a client that is totally untrustable, there is no way to ensure that the call is legitimate or fradulent. Because anything a legitimate client can do, can easily be spoofed or manipulated by an untrusted client.

[Soul]

Originally posted by bob & blobby:

If i remember correctly all achievements unlocked at same time can be caused by playing game named X in offline mode and then going online after that.

So what i'm saying is that not everyone who have it unlocked at same time is cheating them.
Might just be an offline gamer. They do exist you know.

Having 100 games with all games unlocked achievements at same time is not offline gamer

[Soul]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Valve isn't interested in doing so. It's also questionable that it really is a big issue and therefore a priority at all.

That said, acheivements unlocking at the same time can also happen when someone played a game offline. Though that, obviously, only goes for singleplayer games, not MP.

I also consider that but I also check csgo first ! same thing all achievements unlocked in same minute

[Soul]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Valve isn't interested in doing so. It's also questionable that it really is a big issue and therefore a priority at all.

That said, acheivements unlocking at the same time can also happen when someone played a game offline. Though that, obviously, only goes for singleplayer games, not MP.

I also consider that but I also check csgo first ! same thing all achievements unlocked in same minute

[Boblin the Goblin]

Because achievements are inherently worthless and don't add any value to the game.

Valve themselves have come out and said they see no trend in a game offering achievements increasing it's overall sales or value. That's why the implemented the 'Restricted Profile Content' because if achievements caused games to sell, achievement farming games would bypass that gate very easily and make it completely pointless.

[Thermal Lance]

I don't see the problem. Ain't like people were getting huge benefits by cheating them. If you get satisfaction from your legit achievement list. All the power to you. The combined presence of every single achievement cheater in the world does not de-value your achievements. You still did it legit sir.

[Thermal Lance]

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:

Because achievements are inherently worthless and don't add any value to the game.

Valve themselves have come out and said they see no trend in a game offering achievements increasing it's overall sales or value. That's why the implemented the 'Restricted Profile Content' because if achievements caused games to sell, achievement farming games would bypass that gate very easily and make it completely pointless.

Except some game DO drive sales with acheivements on DLCs. XD

Admitedly, not a lot of game pulled that one successfully but I do know one that owe part of its success to the wide variety of achievement a lot of people keep asking for more. Payday 2.

That said, im not throwing a wrench in your argument. That really is the exception, not the rule.

[blunus]

Originally posted by Freya:

Why steam don't do anything about achievement cheaters ? I see ton of profiles with a lot of games 100% when I check the stats ! all the achievement have been done in the same time and steam really don't care

Alden Kroll, a Valve employee, talking about SAM:

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/AStats#announcements/detail/687197541732549159

TL;DR Steam doesn't care about achievements because PCs can be easily cheated via save files, etc. You also seems not know that there is offline mode that makes timestamps pointless to identify.

[failsafe]

Honestly, nobody cares about achievements. I mean if one wants to do all available achievements it is his/hers choice. I never consider people with many 100% games as better or whatever. So, it is something for yourself. You do achievements because you feel like doing it. If somebody cheats to get achievements to get respect... then it is perfectly fine to have some laugh and go on with life ;-)

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Originally posted by Freya:

Originally posted by bob & blobby:

If i remember correctly all achievements unlocked at same time can be caused by playing game named X in offline mode and then going online after that.

So what i'm saying is that not everyone who have it unlocked at same time is cheating them.
Might just be an offline gamer. They do exist you know.

Having 100 games with all games unlocked achievements at same time is not offline gamer

Someone having every achievement in a game does nothing so Valve doesn't care.

[Wolfpig]

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

Except some game DO drive sales with acheivements on DLCs. XD

Admitedly, not a lot of game pulled that one successfully but I do know one that owe part of its success to the wide variety of achievement a lot of people keep asking for more. Payday 2.

That said, im not throwing a wrench in your argument. That really is the exception, not the rule.

Some games are also available on Consoles, and when they put out a dlc there they need to include achievements for it (not those cosmetic ones of course, more like story dlc etc)....so if they need to do them for one platform why not add them on the others too...

[failsafe]

Originally posted by bob & blobby:

If i remember correctly all achievements unlocked at same time can be caused by playing game named X in offline mode and then going online after that.

I think it doesnt work this game. Sometimes I play offline and when I go online again steam doesnt update even information about time played. I've played Rimworld almost entirely offline for a period of time but my total playing time was stuck. Of course it didnt matter, but I think that if steam doesnt update such things, then Im not sure whether it could update achievements.

[MoonC A T]

Originally posted by Freya:

Why steam don't do anything about achievement cheaters ? I see ton of profiles with a lot of games 100% when I check the stats ! all the achievement have been done in the same time and steam really don't care

Not always cheating (although, let's be honest, it probably is)...if you share games on the same PC this is a common occurrence that achievements will be unlocked instantly on the other account. Even more common when both accounts own the game.

It can be avoided if you make separate Windows logins for both accounts, but not many people bother to do this.