JAST reached out to Valve/Steam about Muramasa and were told "We are not re-reviewing previously banned apps."

[xHans]

JAST (@jastusa)
There has been some interest in a #SaveMuramasa campaign to get Full Metal Daemon Muramasa's Steam ban reversed. We reached out to Valve in light of the Chaos;Head situation, and they assured us "We are not re-reviewing previously banned apps."

https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/1580302000348049408

[hachi]

i love kageaki

[Dimebag]

Yep, a lot of Devs are running into this one review process with no way to adjust. I have seen reports on other sites of titles being rejected and no avenue of recourse which seems a bit counter productive.

Maybe they will have another look at the review process but only Valve would be able to initiate any change in policy. I guess it depends on the number and frequency titles are being rejected and the feedback received.

[Domainus]

引用自 Dimebag：

seems a bit counter productive.

I agree. This does not set a healthly precedent going forward. There have to be better ways of handling this situation than the, quite lazy, blanket statement of "no re-reviews".

[davidb11]

Valve will only change the review process on Valve time, so if you expect that to get done before the Sun expands in 4.5 billion years, well, good luck. :P

[xHans]

引用自 davidb11：

Valve will only change the review process on Valve time, so if you expect that to get done before the Sun expands in 4.5 billion years, well, good luck. :P

Ok but what about the people that were unjustly banned after putting in the work to self-censoring? Which is pretty bad already.

If steam is making any changes to their review process policies then the publisher should be able to resubmit their games under the new rule.

From what it looks like, Steam only threw a blanket statement during the Chaos;Head debacle and when a publisher went and tried to appeal they get this? "We are not re-reviewing previously banned apps.

That's cringe.

[K13Cove]

Is there any particular reason Muramasa was banned or was none given? Seems to be a completely arbitrary process at this point, no real consistency to it.

[Brian9824]

If they made the changes they weren't banned, you don't know the details of their discussions with valve or what they did or didn't do to comply

[xHans]

引用自 C10 Revamp：

Is there any particular reason Muramasa was banned or was none given? Seems to be a completely arbitrary process at this point, no real consistency to it.

This is what we know:

https://jastusa.com/page/the-state-of-muramasa

And over here another petition which says that they followed all of valve's guidelines and it still got banned:

https://www.change.org/p/project-save-muramasa-campaigning-to-reverse-valve-s-ban-of-full-metal-daemon-muramasa

[Elucidator]

引用自 xHans：

If steam is making any changes to their review process policies then the publisher should be able to resubmit their games under the new rule.

I said something similar here: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3640622610872241516/?ctp=2#c3640622610872314633

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

引用自 C10 Revamp：

Is there any particular reason Muramasa was banned or was none given? Seems to be a completely arbitrary process at this point, no real consistency to it.

The developers discussed this at length with Valve and after many months, Valve ultimately said no.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

JAST has their own web store, where Full Metal Daemon Muramasa is available for sale.

I'm not sure I can link it, given that (as you might expect) it does have a bunch of 18+ stuff on it, but it's at JASTUSA dot com.

JAST also favors non-censored works, and the store page indicates the product as being nsfw, featuring gore, and having no mosaics (i.e. the pixelated kind of censoring).

According to IsThereAnyDeal, the game is also available on GOG. I checked that page too and it is indicated to be a game for adults only (18+ purchasers only) and contain sexual content. The publisher of the GOG version is, not surprisingly, also JAST, and given that both JAST's web store and GOG are DRM-free stores (and the fact that the GOG version lacks achievements), it's likely that both are basically the same version.

Muramasa is available in English on both stores.

So, thankfully, English-speaking audiences have a legal way to buy and read this VN, in non-censored form. (Two legal ways, in fact.) No need to rely on acceptance on Steam.

[Lord Bidón]

So Valve's statement with the Chaos;Head Noah thing meant absolutely nothing.
Welp, sad.
At least it's known now that they only move when there's some kind of outrage related.

引用自 Quint the Alligator Snapper：

So, thankfully, English-speaking audiences have a legal way to buy and read this VN, in non-censored form. (Two legal ways, in fact.) No need to rely on acceptance on Steam.

Thankfully, yeah.
Shame, though, that if i want to play on Steam Deck i will probably lose cloud saves, the stupid achievements, and will need to follow some configs to make it run...

[Domainus]

At least GOG has cloud saves, I guess.... But definitely a sad day to be a Steam gamer given the scary precedent that has been set today.

[Start_Running]

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

引用自 C10 Revamp：

Is there any particular reason Muramasa was banned or was none given? Seems to be a completely arbitrary process at this point, no real consistency to it.

The developers discussed this at length with Valve and after many months, Valve ultimately said no.

:qr:

Some how I'm wondering what's going on here. I think maybe the use of the word 'ban' is being misapplied here because a game being banned is different from say a game bing rejected.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

The developers discussed this at length with Valve and after many months, Valve ultimately said no.

Some how I'm wondering what's going on here. I think maybe the use of the word 'ban' is being misapplied here because a game being banned is different from say a game bing rejected.

To the developers, ban = rejected.