Greenlight advertising

[CanardMan]

What is autorized, what is not ?

I was wondering if this was legal :
"This contest is open to everybody, however it is created to promote our game [thegamename] and get you to vote YES on our game on Greenlight."

[Tux]

yes that is legal

[cinedine]

Messaggio originale di Rules and Guidelines For Steam: Discussions, Reviews, and User Generated Content:

General Rules
Do not do any of the following:
- Artificially manipulate the User Review system or voting/rating systems

If you run a contest (which is already a grey area on Steam) and promote (like in "mention") your game through it: fine.
If you make participation reliant on votes or offer an advantage for them: not so much.

[Tux]

Messaggio originale di cinedine:

Messaggio originale di Rules and Guidelines For Steam: Discussions, Reviews, and User Generated Content:

General Rules
Do not do any of the following:
- Artificially manipulate the User Review system or voting/rating systems

If you run a contest (which is already a grey area on Steam) and promote (like in "mention") your game through it: fine.
If you make participation reliant on votes or offer an advantage for them: not so much.

unfortuntatly that is not what the quote says

[riggz666]

i don't think you are allowed to give stuff away in exchange for yes votes.

[Tux]

Messaggio originale di riggz666:

i don't think you are allowed to give stuff away in exchange for yes votes.

it might not be allowed but its perfectly legal. Greenlight voting system is not the Electoral college.

The entire reward of the challenge is......a yes vote.

assuming of course that the OP is being 100% honest which its likely he is not

his tag is so cute

[CanardMan]

Messaggio originale di Tux:

assuming of course that the OP is being 100% honest which its likely he is not

his tag is so cute

let''s be clear i am not the OP.
original : https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/LmjFx/xcom-2

[DirtyFishy]

People do it all the time. Nobody is forcing people to vote yes and my guess, less than 1% actually votes.

[Tux]

Messaggio originale di Dʁ․ L⌶C⌶🍩∐≶:

Messaggio originale di Tux:

assuming of course that the OP is being 100% honest which its likely he is not

his tag is so cute

let''s be clear i am not the OP.
original : https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/LmjFx/xcom-2

ah my bad I read your OP wrong.

yeah its still legal though

[riggz666]

Messaggio originale di Dʁ․ L⌶C⌶🍩∐≶:

Messaggio originale di Tux:

assuming of course that the OP is being 100% honest which its likely he is not

his tag is so cute

let''s be clear i am not the OP.
original : https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/LmjFx/xcom-2

this has become common practice, basically giving stuff away for yes votes, there are also 'schemes' where devs upvote each others games. maybe the reason why so much junk gets greenlit, i wonder how many actual users upvote compared to the large numbers of bogus voters (some companies use social media and giveways for each others junk games to procure yes votes).
btw, it's not really any kind of system as only yes votes count, no votes are meaningless.

[Tux]

Messaggio originale di riggz666:

Messaggio originale di Dʁ․ L⌶C⌶🍩∐≶:

let''s be clear i am not the OP.
original : https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/LmjFx/xcom-2

this has become common practice, basically giving stuff away for yes votes, there are also 'schemes' where devs upvote each others games. maybe the reason why so much junk gets greenlit, i wonder how many actual users upvote compared to the large numbers of bogus voters (some companies use social media and giveways for each others junk games to procure yes votes).
btw, it's not really any kind of system as only yes votes count, no votes are meaningless.

however that is not what they are doing in this case. I dont think they can even know who votes what in the first place. well that might not be true actually

[cinedine]

Messaggio originale di Tux:

Messaggio originale di cinedine:

If you run a contest (which is already a grey area on Steam) and promote (like in "mention") your game through it: fine.
If you make participation reliant on votes or offer an advantage for them: not so much.

unfortuntatly that is not what the quote says

It's exactly what the quote means.

Messaggio originale di Kotaku:

In response to [a vote for vote Facebook group] and methods outlined in this story, a Valve representative said the following: "Clearly this is not the feedback we are seeking from Greenlight. We do track these sorts of things and folks 'going this route' will likely not find the results they may have hoped for."

Source: http://kotaku.com/fed-up-with-steam-devs-unite-to-score-extra-greenlight-1651642857 (October 2014)
Related: http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/10/8011083/steam-greenlight-free-keys-votes (February 2015)

Keep in mind that Valve still has the last word on whether a title is greenlit or not. If they find you got a bunch of votes through such means, they simply ignore them.

[VaLiuM]

Messaggio originale di Tux:

it might not be allowed but its perfectly legal. Greenlight voting system is not the Electoral college.

It's been reported that games participating in such things and encouraging it will be put down the list, means it will take longer to get Greenlit, votes aside, to make up a bit for those clearly not wanting to understand and follow simple rulesets given to them.

[Tux]

Messaggio originale di VaLiuM:

Messaggio originale di Tux:

it might not be allowed but its perfectly legal. Greenlight voting system is not the Electoral college.

It's been reported that games participating in such things and encouraging it will be put down the list, means it will take longer to get Greenlit, votes aside, to make up a bit for those clearly not wanting to understand and follow simple rulesets given to them.

which to be clear is not a contradiction to what I said...just for my own undersatnding a bit confused at the moment

[The End]

Messaggio originale di Tux:

Messaggio originale di Dʁ․ L⌶C⌶🍩∐≶:

let''s be clear i am not the OP.
original : https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/LmjFx/xcom-2

ah my bad I read your OP wrong.

yeah its still legal though

I wonder if Valve think it is within the rules.

"General Rules
Do not do any of the following:
- Artificially manipulate the User Review system or voting/rating systems"

They are indeed trying to manipulate the votes.

[Lily]

Theoretically it's against the rules, but pretty much the only way to get Valve to care about Greenlight is to upload something so offensive (e.g. "Daddy of the Year" AKA child abuse simulator) that they're forced to take action.