Do some game devs encourage us to cheat achievements?

[Demigod Dan]

Yes, achievements. Meaningless and all, I know. Don't even start. If no one cared though then achievements wouldn't exist, but they do.

Achievements exist for this reason and this reason only: To enrich the game experience. It lets you set goals to achieve in a game so that some people may get more out of a game than they normally would. And it's a nice little reward for when you achieve something difficult in a game.

Now there are some devs which include an achievement for merely starting up a game. It does not enrich the game experience in any way; the only thing that it does is that your achievement progress % will be activated. There's a good reason why some people want to avoid that this happens.

So what could be the reason for these devs to include an achievement for just starting up the game? It clearly doesn't have anything to do with the reason why achievements exist, that's for sure.

Lastly, there is a program which can end up getting you VAC banned if you mess with the wrong kind of achievements, for one. It is considered to be a cheating program by many people (myself included), and there are good reasons not to use it. But currently it is the only way to keep your average % of achievements earned per game intact because it lets you remove obtained achievements, without some game that you only started up to idle for the trading cards corrupting it.

So....are these devs encouraging us to cheat by including an achievement for just starting up the game, which can only be removed by making use of a program which is widely considered as something that you should only use at your own risk?

[Offensive Screen-name]

timmonsisold66 の投稿を引用：

Achievements really Worst thing to happen to games.

achievements have been in videogames since videogames were invented

[Albcatmastercat]

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc の投稿を引用：

timmonsisold66 の投稿を引用：

Achievements really Worst thing to happen to games.

achievements have been in videogames since videogames were invented

They were, however, in the form of a scoreboard.

[Offensive Screen-name]

Albcatmastercat の投稿を引用：

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc の投稿を引用：

achievements have been in videogames since videogames were invented

They were, however, in the form of a scoreboard.

also in the form of trophies & achievements in-game, actually

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Yeah, the only new thing about achievements these days is the social sharing aspect.

[Start_Running]

Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用：

Yeah, the only new thing about achievements these days is the social sharing aspect.

Nope, that goes waaaay back to the birth as well. Those high scores tables shared your achievement with anyone who looked and there was no small amount of bragging rights to be had in having the top score in a game for a period of months.

[Offensive Screen-name]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用：

Yeah, the only new thing about achievements these days is the social sharing aspect.

Nope, that goes waaaay back to the birth as well. Those high scores tables shared your achievement with anyone who looked and there was no small amount of bragging rights to be had in having the top score in a game for a period of months.

true, and many high scores were only possible by achieving in-game feats which most people either didn't know about or weren't capable of, all until literal hackers, not script cheaters, began hacking into scoreboards on the PC and duping arcade machines

[Albcatmastercat]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用：

Yeah, the only new thing about achievements these days is the social sharing aspect.

Nope, that goes waaaay back to the birth as well. Those high scores tables shared your achievement with anyone who looked and there was no small amount of bragging rights to be had in having the top score in a game for a period of months.

Now all highscores are cheated :s
I'm not old enough to confirm anything, but here's a case:
I was playing LittleBigPlanet3 (Good Game indeed), and I noticed that every level had way too many people with 4 million points... I don't think that's legit, as they were all exactly 4 Million, and it doesn't look like a cap...

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用：

Yeah, the only new thing about achievements these days is the social sharing aspect.

Nope, that goes waaaay back to the birth as well. Those high scores tables shared your achievement with anyone who looked and there was no small amount of bragging rights to be had in having the top score in a game for a period of months.

By "social sharing aspect" i meant the ability to display these things across the internet.

[cinedine]

Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Nope, that goes waaaay back to the birth as well. Those high scores tables shared your achievement with anyone who looked and there was no small amount of bragging rights to be had in having the top score in a game for a period of months.

By "social sharing aspect" i meant the ability to display these things across the internet.

Replace internet with with schoolyard and weep for the Lo-Tech version of achievements:
https://www.atariage.com/2600/archives/activision_patches.html

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

cinedine の投稿を引用：

Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用：

By "social sharing aspect" i meant the ability to display these things across the internet.

Replace internet with with schoolyard and weep for the Lo-Tech version of achievements:
https://www.atariage.com/2600/archives/activision_patches.html

Oh my gosh, wow.

[Tux]

Demigod Dan の投稿を引用：

Y... If no one cared though then achievements wouldn't exist, but they do....

incorrect.
more likely to be removed if Valve cares to bother with it perhaps but not by default not there.

[Start_Running]

Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Nope, that goes waaaay back to the birth as well. Those high scores tables shared your achievement with anyone who looked and there was no small amount of bragging rights to be had in having the top score in a game for a period of months.

By "social sharing aspect" i meant the ability to display these things across the internet.

Be fair. There was no internet in ye olde arcade days of pacman and centipede.. Heck back in the day, the only achievement worth mentioning was.. I beat the game'

Back then , you were never assured that you would be able to beat the game. There are people that still haven't beated Ninja Gaiden for the NES, or TMNT... Saying you beat the game was basically the only achivement you needed.

[Albcatmastercat]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Quint the Globular Springtail の投稿を引用：

By "social sharing aspect" i meant the ability to display these things across the internet.

Be fair. There was no internet in ye olde arcade days of pacman and centipede.. Heck back in the day, the only achievement worth mentioning was.. I beat the game'

Back then , you were never assured that you would be able to beat the game. There are people that still haven't beated Ninja Gaiden for the NES, or TMNT... Saying you beat the game was basically the only achivement you needed.

Now you get achievements for... Starting the game... Jumping... Oh well.

[Offensive Screen-name]

Albcatmastercat の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Be fair. There was no internet in ye olde arcade days of pacman and centipede.. Heck back in the day, the only achievement worth mentioning was.. I beat the game'

Back then , you were never assured that you would be able to beat the game. There are people that still haven't beated Ninja Gaiden for the NES, or TMNT... Saying you beat the game was basically the only achivement you needed.

Now you get achievements for... Starting the game... Jumping... Oh well.

Those are meant to be jokes to those that care, but that's no excuse for cheating to get them or others.


Steam achievements should be server-side mandatory, and not client-side. This would eliminate scripts to unlock achievements (programmes which are Steam & game-bannable, for which I report peoples' Steam profiles directly). If you have a problem with this, then get over yourself.

[Mivo]

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc の投稿を引用：

also in the form of trophies & achievements in-game, actually

No, those weren't in video games since the beginning. They are a relatively recent thing, and became popular when Microsoft started using them.

Source: Living in this body for over forty years.