Hacking Achievements:rufussmile:

[Arutomy]

Hey guys
I wanted to discuss the topic of hacking achievements.
I noticed that many of my friends received achievements by hacking through programs (all achievements were received at the same time). I learned about this a long time ago, but I was interested in one question.

Would you like people to get all achievements honestly or hack them and get the most difficult achievements with a regular hack?

I don't think it's right, do you?

It seems to me that it would be possible to make some kind of protection similar to VAC or some other, but so that people could not hack achievements with the help of programs when they want.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

Hey guys
I wanted to discuss the topic of hacking achievements.
I noticed that many of my friends received achievements by hacking through programs (all achievements were received at the same time). I learned about this a long time ago, but I was interested in one question.

Would you like people to get all achievements honestly or hack them and get the most difficult achievements with a regular hack?

I don't think it's right, do you?

It seems to me that it would be possible to make some kind of protection similar to VAC or some other, but so that people could not hack achievements with the help of programs when they want.

Alden Kroll (a Valve employee) and SAM...

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/AStats#announcements/detail/687197541732549159

[Pscht]

Ticking boxes in a program window doesn't make you a "hacker".

[KalGimpa]

the only question is

why do you care how i get mine?

[Arutomy]

cSg|mc-Hotsauce の投稿を引用：

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

Hey guys
I wanted to discuss the topic of hacking achievements.
I noticed that many of my friends received achievements by hacking through programs (all achievements were received at the same time). I learned about this a long time ago, but I was interested in one question.

Would you like people to get all achievements honestly or hack them and get the most difficult achievements with a regular hack?

I don't think it's right, do you?

It seems to me that it would be possible to make some kind of protection similar to VAC or some other, but so that people could not hack achievements with the help of programs when they want.

Alden Kroll (a Valve employee) and SAM...

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/AStats#announcements/detail/687197541732549159

:qr:

Interesting information, but upset that the achievements will not be able to become safe on the PC

[BJWyler]

Well, first of all, just because someone unlocked a lot of achievements at the same time doesn't mean that they were "hacked" as you call it. There are a few reasons why this can, and does happen that has no relation to achievement cheating whatsoever.

Secondly, there are a myriad of ways that achievements can be obtained other than just the use of SAM:
-Have a friend or family member help or complete the achievement for you.
-Edit the game files.
-Use someone else's game save file.
-Use a dev console or cheat codes.
-Take advantage of in game mechanics or features to bypass the "normal" route.
-Exploit bugs.
-Mods - either external or from the Steam Workshop
-Steam User Console

Finally, why do you care how someone else gets their achievements? Achievements are purely a personal goal and exist solely to prolong engagement with a game. They are meaningless outside of someone's personal feelings about them. Saying that Valve should implement a way to prevent achievement cheating is like saying people should not be allowed to play the original Doom game using the God Mode cheat. That's just asinine. I don't care one whit how anyone else gets their own achievements, it has absolutely zero bearing and effect on how I play my games and obtain my achievements.

[Arutomy]

KalCuey の投稿を引用：

the only question is

why do you care how i get mine?

I'm interested in the development of Steam, and I'm frustrated that people are quietly hacking achievements. The meaning of achievements is lost if people calmly hack all the achievements of the game, and you try to get it in an honest way.

[Arutomy]

BJWyler の投稿を引用：

Well, first of all, just because someone unlocked a lot of achievements at the same time doesn't mean that they were "hacked" as you call it. There are a few reasons why this can, and does happen that has no relation to achievement cheating whatsoever.

Secondly, there are a myriad of ways that achievements can be obtained other than just the use of SAM:
-Have a friend or family member help or complete the achievement for you.
-Edit the game files.
-Use someone else's game save file.
-Use a dev console or cheat codes.
-Take advantage of in game mechanics or features to bypass the "normal" route.
-Exploit bugs.
-Mods - either external or from the Steam Workshop
-Steam User Console

Finally, why do you care how someone else gets their achievements? Achievements are purely a personal goal and exist solely to prolong engagement with a game. They are meaningless outside of someone's personal feelings about them. Saying that Valve should implement a way to prevent achievement cheating is like saying people should not be allowed to play the original Doom game using the God Mode cheat. That's just asinine. I don't care one whit how anyone else gets their own achievements, it has absolutely zero bearing and effect on how I play my games and obtain my achievements.

Firstly, I judged by games like Nioh in which you can't get all the achievements without SAM.
Secondly, I think that hacking achievements is not good. Their meaning is lost. When I saw that a person got all the achievements in the game Nioh at the same time, and I spent about 130 hours for this, I realized that there is no point in them. Therefore, I raised this discussion.

[Reggaejunkiedrew]

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

KalCuey の投稿を引用：

the only question is

why do you care how i get mine?

I'm interested in the development of Steam, and I'm frustrated that people are quietly hacking achievements. The meaning of achievements is lost if people calmly hack all the achievements of the game, and you try to get it in an honest way.

They don't mean anything regardless. If you like getting achievements, do it, but nobody else cares what achievements you have or haven't gotten either way.

For what it's worth, I doubt the amount of people who use SAM is particularly high.
Most don't even know about it, and of those that do how many actually use it? And of those, how many just use it when an achievement is bugged? And those that do unlock all achievements will stick out because the time stamps will all be the same.

Taking all that into consideration, how many people take the time to gradually unlock achievements over time to make It look like they got them legit instead of just playing the game?

I can even prove that not many people use SAM. look at the rarest achievement for a particular game. The # of people who have unlocked all achievements will be lower than the rarest achievement. And if there's any achievement someone was going to unlock it would be the hardest to get ones no?

[Arutomy]

Reggaejunkiedrew の投稿を引用：

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

I'm interested in the development of Steam, and I'm frustrated that people are quietly hacking achievements. The meaning of achievements is lost if people calmly hack all the achievements of the game, and you try to get it in an honest way.

They don't mean anything regardless. If you like getting achievements, do it, but nobody else cares what achievements you have or haven't gotten either way.

For what it's worth, I doubt the amount of people who use SAM is particularly high.
Most don't even know about it, and of those that do how many actually use it? And of those, how many just use it when an achievement is bugged? And those that do unlock all achievements will stick out because the time stamps will all be the same.

Taking all that into consideration, how many people take the time to gradually unlock achievements over time to make It look like they got them legit instead of just playing the game?

I can even prove that not many people use same, look at the rarest achievement for a particularl game. The # of people who have unlocked all achievements will be lower than the rarest achievement. And if there's any achievement someone was going to unlock it would be the hardest to get ones no?

Well, there are at least 30-40 people on my friends list who use it. If you look closely, you will realize that there are many more such people than you think.

[Reggaejunkiedrew]

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

Reggaejunkiedrew の投稿を引用：

They don't mean anything regardless. If you like getting achievements, do it, but nobody else cares what achievements you have or haven't gotten either way.

For what it's worth, I doubt the amount of people who use SAM is particularly high.
Most don't even know about it, and of those that do how many actually use it? And of those, how many just use it when an achievement is bugged? And those that do unlock all achievements will stick out because the time stamps will all be the same.

Taking all that into consideration, how many people take the time to gradually unlock achievements over time to make It look like they got them legit instead of just playing the game?

I can even prove that not many people use same, look at the rarest achievement for a particularl game. The # of people who have unlocked all achievements will be lower than the rarest achievement. And if there's any achievement someone was going to unlock it would be the hardest to get ones no?

Well, there are at least 30-40 people on my friends list who use it. If you look closely, you will realize that there are many more such people than you think.

Again just look at the percentages of how many people got a rare achviement. The number of people who unlock all can't be lower than that number.

If 0.01% of people have an achievement, than you know that the amount who cheated achievements must be lower than that.

Citing a few people you know is anecdotal, it doesn't prove anything. I'm not gonna spend the time studying your friends list but I doubt it's 30-40 people.

[KalGimpa]

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

KalCuey の投稿を引用：

the only question is

why do you care how i get mine?

I'm interested in the development of Steam, and I'm frustrated that people are quietly hacking achievements. The meaning of achievements is lost if people calmly hack all the achievements of the game, and you try to get it in an honest way.

i do not care one bit about achievements

they are nothing but an annoyance to me.

[BJWyler]

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

KalCuey の投稿を引用：

the only question is

why do you care how i get mine?

I'm interested in the development of Steam, and I'm frustrated that people are quietly hacking achievements. The meaning of achievements is lost if people calmly hack all the achievements of the game, and you try to get it in an honest way.

Achievements have nothing to do with the development of Steam. They are something that devs may or may not add to their game to prolong player interest and engagement with the game. Nothing more, nothing less. What people do with their own achievements does not affect that meaning in the slightest.

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

Firstly, I judged by games like Nioh in which you can't get all the achievements without SAM.
Secondly, I think that hacking achievements is not good. Their meaning is lost. When I saw that a person got all the achievements in the game Nioh at the same time, and I spent about 130 hours for this, I realized that there is no point in them. Therefore, I raised this discussion.

That's a you problem then. As I said before, how someone else gets their achievements has none, that's an absolute zero, bearing on how anyone else can and does get their achievements. If devs have broken or impossible achievements, then that's a dev problem and a poor implementation of the achievement system.

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

Well, there are at least 30-40 people on my friends list who use it. If you look closely, you will realize that there are many more such people than you think.

Which, again, is meaningless based upon all the other ways to get achievements, including legit ways. How many people used used the cheat codes in the Doom games? No one knows, and it doesn't matter does it? No matter who, and how many people used those codes, it had zero affect on the ones who did not use those codes.

[Arutomy]

Reggaejunkiedrew の投稿を引用：

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

Well, there are at least 30-40 people on my friends list who use it. If you look closely, you will realize that there are many more such people than you think.

Again just look at the percentages of how many people got a rare achviement. The number of people who unlock all can't be lower than that number.

If 0.01% of people have an achievement, than you know that the amount who cheated achievements must be lower than that.

Citing a few people you know is anecdotal, it doesn't prove anything. I'm not gonna spend the time studying your friends list but I doubt it's 30-40 people.

Since you are talking about the percentage, then in the game "styx master of shadow" it is generally broken. There is a sequence of two achievements that cannot be changed, but for some reason the percentage of obtaining these achievements is the other way around !!! Because people with the help of programs / mods / others saves do this

[DESTROYER]

Maybe those two achievements were bugged at the time? Wouldn't be the first time, hell I unlocked four achievements in Ori and the Blind Forest purely out of total randomness, sometimes these things are just buggy like that. Ultimately if you actually see the completion ration of time consuming and/or hard skill gated achievements you'll notice very low completion ratios, most people just don't care that much to cheat them in the first place.

[Arutomy]

BJWyler の投稿を引用：

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

I'm interested in the development of Steam, and I'm frustrated that people are quietly hacking achievements. The meaning of achievements is lost if people calmly hack all the achievements of the game, and you try to get it in an honest way.

Achievements have nothing to do with the development of Steam. They are something that devs may or may not add to their game to prolong player interest and engagement with the game. Nothing more, nothing less. What people do with their own achievements does not affect that meaning in the slightest.

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

Firstly, I judged by games like Nioh in which you can't get all the achievements without SAM.
Secondly, I think that hacking achievements is not good. Their meaning is lost. When I saw that a person got all the achievements in the game Nioh at the same time, and I spent about 130 hours for this, I realized that there is no point in them. Therefore, I raised this discussion.

That's a you problem then. As I said before, how someone else gets their achievements has none, that's an absolute zero, bearing on how anyone else can and does get their achievements. If devs have broken or impossible achievements, then that's a dev problem and a poor implementation of the achievement system.

Cyber noob の投稿を引用：

Well, there are at least 30-40 people on my friends list who use it. If you look closely, you will realize that there are many more such people than you think.

Which, again, is meaningless based upon all the other ways to get achievements, including legit ways. How many people used used the cheat codes in the Doom games? No one knows, and it doesn't matter does it? No matter who, and how many people used those codes, it had zero affect on the ones who did not use those codes.

Using the cheat code that is in the game itself and using outside third-party programs to hack achievements is different. And the achievement refers to the development of Steam because it is part of it after all. I initially said that I would like them to be protected somehow, but me as a result, they began to blame and say that these are your problems. Ridiculous