Only Developers - must choice game GENRE and all TAGS not community.

[Zuzia]

As in subject Steam must delete all game random tags and ask developers to choice defoult genre and all tags for all title.

Why? Becouse community is stupid as ♥♥♥♥ and now no one cant use FILTER to find some intresting game by choice Genre or tag like RPG, Rogulike, Visual Novel.

Look here.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1905180/OBS_Studio/

As you see best Anime, Rich-story, hentai, lgbtiq, souls-like Aplication ever made...

If Valve not repair this all will be uselles. You can delete "search box" from steam if you not repair this. Not let community add tag to any game. Only developer who create game must choice category, genre, or tags...

Thanks!

Sugestion for Upgrade this add steam to good game data base and let him download proper Metadata.

[Zuzia]

Escrito originalmente por Jazz:

"Ignore community tags" could be an option, and would be very nice.

+ if we can filter all with this all will be happy :) And troll problem solved forever :) Now Valve must only read this and add patch for search box filter :)

[Pierce Dalton]

One of the worst ideas Valve ever had. Also, some tags are vague bs like "atmospheric". The heck is an atmospheric game? Another one I love is "good story". That's entirely subjective... what is a good story for some people may be a bad story for others.

[Zuzia]

Escrito originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

One of the worst ideas Valve ever had. Also, some tags are vague bs like "atmospheric". The heck is an atmospheric game? Another one I love is "good story". That's entirely subjective... what is a good story for some people may be a bad story for others.

I rly dont know atmospheric is somethong with nice looking world but can be also romance after good dinner, some tags is like netflix ♥♥♥♥ genre movie. I rly dont know what ppl wont sey about that.

Games is simple turn based or not or rts fps, fpw, or thrid person, horror, survival or relaxing, simulator, or fantasy, rpg or visual novel. And more but so simple meny years ago game genre not evolve so much. But i think ppl add own tags and that mess start... Souls-like, why not Moonstone-like... this is moust idiotic tag. Just write "hard" not all hard games is like dark souls.

[ReBoot]

Escrito originalmente por Zuzia:

Games is simple turn based or not or rts fps, fpw, or thrid person, horror, survival or relaxing, simulator, or fantasy, rpg or visual novel. And more but so simple meny years ago game genre not evolve so much. But i think ppl add own tags and that mess start... Souls-like, why not Moonstone-like... this is moust idiotic tag. Just write "hard" not all hard games is like dark souls.

Not really, no. Well, in theory, yeah. RPG is RPG, right?
In practice, developers tag everything as RPGs as long as it's got some points to spend (no matter how menial the skill table). Just compare Fallout New Vegas to Fallout 4, the one is among the best RPGs of all times, the other is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ open-world FPS with the barest minimum of RPG whiff to it to pass as one on some technical level. Still not an RPG.

[Zuzia]

Escrito originalmente por ReBoot:

Escrito originalmente por Zuzia:

Games is simple turn based or not or rts fps, fpw, or thrid person, horror, survival or relaxing, simulator, or fantasy, rpg or visual novel. And more but so simple meny years ago game genre not evolve so much. But i think ppl add own tags and that mess start... Souls-like, why not Moonstone-like... this is moust idiotic tag. Just write "hard" not all hard games is like dark souls.

Not really, no. Well, in theory, yeah. RPG is RPG, right?
In practice, developers tag everything as RPGs as long as it's got some points to spend (no matter how menial the skill table). Just compare Fallout New Vegas to Fallout 4, the one is among the best RPGs of all times, the other is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ open-world FPS with the barest minimum of RPG whiff to it to pass as one on some technical level. Still not an RPG.

For me rpg on first place have great story, Role playing game - then characters must have deep dialogs, somtime choice to select path, lvl up system, skill system. But moust important RPG is not all geme who have points to add in skill tree. Ori Have skills dialogs also but this is not rpg. Diablo one have nice dialogs but still moust time u spend on church dungeon then in village talking with peope. And also have rpg genre :( For me RPG must have 80% story telling then all others like grind lvl. Chrono Cross, Final Fantasty series 6 to 12 (i not play other). Xenoblade from Wii or Vagrant Story. If i See some diablo clone i know some elements is same but still i not feel this game is pure RPG. But all can tink difrent. But still tag system will be best if only developers can add it to his own games.

I end Fallout3 and new vegas and even skyrim trash, but ture is i hate bethesda games moust form all steam library. I dont know why ppl call any of this game good. Skyrim i end becouse i force myself to play that ♥♥♥♥. Game is super easy, all skill lvl up is super broken. You have higher lvl enemy also. But ♥♥♥♥ Alduin i kill on 2 hits using warhammer on legendery dificulity, and i think Skyrim story suck ♥♥♥♥ as hell... Only true fallout is from Black Isle. All bethesta games is waste of time not fun. Poor dialogs and idiotic story. This is my opinion, i have on Steam in library category "games to force to play" and from all library only Skyrim is added here.

[ReBoot]

Escrito originalmente por Zuzia:

For me rpg on first place have great story, Role playing game - then characters must have deep dialogs, somtime choice to select path, lvl up system, skill system. But moust important RPG is not all geme who have points to add in skill tree. Ori Have skills dialogs also but this is not rpg. Diablo one have nice dialogs but still moust time u spend on church dungeon then in village talking with peope. And also have rpg genre :( For me RPG must have 80% story telling then all others like grind lvl. Chrono Cross, Final Fantasty series 6 to 12 (i not play other). Xenoblade from Wii or Vagrant Story. If i See some diablo clone i know some elements is same but still i not feel this game is pure RPG. But all can tink difrent. But still tag system will be best if only developers can add it to his own games.

I second that. RPGs need story, RPGs need dialogs. And that's, for example, what Bethesda games don't provide despite being called RPGs. Well, they do got dialogs, quite a lot of them actually, but those dialogs remind me on a unsalted unseasoned potato: just because it's food, doesn't mean there's any taste to it.
I would call Diablo-likes RPGs though. ARPGs? Yeah, please. Hack'n'Slays? Very much certainly but there's roughly 0 ROLE-play to, well, even Kingdoms of Amalur which I very much recommend. But hey, it's got some fantastic writing to it's dialogs.

But that's pretty much the point already: what is an RPG to begin with? This term is so generic, it's essentially worthless.

... unless you got a broad taste. My taste, for example, is broad in terms of genres but in terms of what I'm looking for in a game, it's rather defined. Although I think I could boil my taste down to "rewards involvement to the point of requiring it" as well as "gotta have a good flow" but that's completely orthogonal to the concept of gernes and I don't see it becoming a widely-used tag any time soon (or rather, in this cycle of the universe).

Come to think of it, I thought RPG-like thoughts when playing Cloudpunk. This game is basically a walking simulator but the storytelling, the dialog and the decisions (with effects later-on in the game), that are pillars of RPGs.

[sfnhltb]

Wouldn't it be better for steam search to have a "ignore user tags" option to uncheck, then you can search tags (user generated list) or only genre (developer/publisher generated list).

Best of both worlds, people that search for specific niches will mostly find them (where other users have bothered to add the tag), people that want to search a broad genre can do so (by turning off user tags) based on what the developer has prioritized as the "main" genres the game is (as Steam limits the amount that the developer can pick to avoid those publishers/developers that used to mark their game as every genre to increase visibility in the store)

Escrito originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

One of the worst ideas Valve ever had. Also, some tags are vague bs like "atmospheric". The heck is an atmospheric game? Another one I love is "good story". That's entirely subjective... what is a good story for some people may be a bad story for others.

This is an irrelevant point. You are only going to search for tags that YOU think are useful, and tags are unlimited in number, so there is no downside in other people applying tags that aren't helpful to you.

[ReBoot]

Since dev-supplied tags were often enough ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the past, that won't solve the root problem (the difficulty of finding games by tags) but at least that would give the OP less to complain about so it's a net win, I suppose

[ash]

The tagging system used on Steam (and things that use it like "more like this" and sale categories), like most tagging systems is utterly broken simply because it makes the mistake of turning over the categorization task to the 'wisdom of crowds' when the majority of those crowds are utter f u c k w i t s!

If Valve actually DID want to make it easier for you to find games as opposed to the pile of excrement it currently is, they would no longer be able to promote lucrative games in tag search results with plausible deniability. In other words, it's best to just forget about using tags or trying to improve them, they are not going anywhere.

I've completely ignored the tagging 'feature' in steam for years.

[Zuzia]

Escrito originalmente por ash:

If Valve actually DID want to make it easier for you to find games as opposed to the pile of excrement it currently is, they would no longer be able to promote lucrative games in tag search results with plausible deniability. In other words, it's best to just forget about using tags or trying to improve them, they are not going anywhere.

Almoust true, but if Steam only can tag all games who add in library. Then people like gamers with -100IQ not will be rate recording aplication as "Hentai with deep story" even if this type of tag name sound rly good...