Is Valve actively vetting developer requests to revoke keys?

[GRIMM]

I am curious about their process for approving this.

I, like quite a few others, had a game revoked today that was legitimately purchased. The same thing happend to another game about a month ago. The earlier one was sort of resolved for some people I guess, via the developer redistributing keys for those who had proof of purchase. And this one does not like it is going to get resolved in the same manner unfortunately.

One person on my friends list also had about 4 or 5 other games revoked.

There have been several of these issues lately with devs revoking keys. It's kind of unsettling to know one of my games can be removed at any time, and without any real communication as to the reasoning it was removed.

I am hoping this does not become a trend.

[GRIMM]

So reputation is more important than 100% proof of innocence?

Wow

Don't even respond anymore please.

[Count_Dandyman]

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So reputation is more important than 100% proof of innocence?

Wow

Don't even respond anymore please.

If you think you have something that proves 100% innocence then show it but you should be aware an invoce for a payment made that doesn't contain figures for how many keys are being paid for, were given out or have been activated isn't anywhere near it.

[cinedine]

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Easy. Same way we found out that the last game's key revokal was fraudulent.

As said earlier: Valve cannot afford to babysit every developer. So how would your system work in case of Rebellion where thousands of keys were leaked and given away?

Bonus: why would the word of an allegedly frauding party be more trustworthy than that of the developer? "Prove of payment" isn't that easy. Every heard of chargeback? Or plain and simple forged books?

[JohCar]

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Easy. Same way we found out that the last game's key revokal was fraudulent.

As said earlier: Valve cannot afford to babysit every developer. So how would your system work in case of Rebellion where thousands of keys were leaked and given away?

Bonus: why would the word of an allegedly frauding party be more trustworthy than that of the developer? "Prove of payment" isn't that easy. Every heard of chargeback? Or plain and simple forged books?

Indiegala chargeback devs?

https://www.indiegala.com/forums/topics/1853 proof of payment from Idiegala.

[Count_Dandyman]

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As said earlier: Valve cannot afford to babysit every developer. So how would your system work in case of Rebellion where thousands of keys were leaked and given away?

Bonus: why would the word of an allegedly frauding party be more trustworthy than that of the developer? "Prove of payment" isn't that easy. Every heard of chargeback? Or plain and simple forged books?

Indiegala chargeback devs?

https://www.indiegala.com/forums/topics/1853 proof of payment from Idiegala.

Still not any proof there of how many keys that was payment for or how many Indiegala gave out

[cinedine]

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As said earlier: Valve cannot afford to babysit every developer. So how would your system work in case of Rebellion where thousands of keys were leaked and given away?

Bonus: why would the word of an allegedly frauding party be more trustworthy than that of the developer? "Prove of payment" isn't that easy. Every heard of chargeback? Or plain and simple forged books?

Indiegala chargeback devs?

https://www.indiegala.com/forums/topics/1853 proof of payment from Idiegala.

Do you know how much effort it would take me to doctor sucha screenshot? Not a lot. Even less if it is an HTML document.
I am not talking about a specific case nor indiegala.

Also these are outliers.
And quite frankly, name one single reason for a developer to "abuse" the system? What do they got from it? You can create keys as much as you want without cost. A revoked key cannot be re-used. You already got your money. What is in it for them?

[Ham the Terrible]

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Indiegala chargeback devs?

https://www.indiegala.com/forums/topics/1853 proof of payment from Idiegala.

Do you know how much effort it would take me to doctor sucha screenshot? Not a lot. Even less if it is an HTML document.
I am not talking about a specific case nor indiegala.

Also these are outliers.
And quite frankly, name one single reason for a developer to "abuse" the system? What do they got from it? You can create keys as much as you want without cost. A revoked key cannot be re-used. You already got your money. What is in it for them?

1. Drunk, broke, and aggrevated at life.
2. Hopes that some people will feel sympathy over the dev 'not getting paid' and rebuy it at full price so that they have a bit of money.
3. Just to be an asshat.

[Vova Slagbaums]

Need help

[Winged One]

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Do you know how much effort it would take me to doctor sucha screenshot? Not a lot. Even less if it is an HTML document.
I am not talking about a specific case nor indiegala.

Also these are outliers.
And quite frankly, name one single reason for a developer to "abuse" the system? What do they got from it? You can create keys as much as you want without cost. A revoked key cannot be re-used. You already got your money. What is in it for them?

1. Drunk, broke, and aggrevated at life.
2. Hopes that some people will feel sympathy over the dev 'not getting paid' and rebuy it at full price so that they have a bit of money.
3. Just to be an asshat.

Yeah, that's not how the business world functions

[cinedine]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez cinedine:

Do you know how much effort it would take me to doctor sucha screenshot? Not a lot. Even less if it is an HTML document.
I am not talking about a specific case nor indiegala.

Also these are outliers.
And quite frankly, name one single reason for a developer to "abuse" the system? What do they got from it? You can create keys as much as you want without cost. A revoked key cannot be re-used. You already got your money. What is in it for them?

1. Drunk, broke, and aggrevated at life.
2. Hopes that some people will feel sympathy over the dev 'not getting paid' and rebuy it at full price so that they have a bit of money.
3. Just to be an asshat.

Good reasons ... if you never want to sell a single game again or have other parties do business with you.

[Count_Dandyman]

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1. Drunk, broke, and aggrevated at life.
2. Hopes that some people will feel sympathy over the dev 'not getting paid' and rebuy it at full price so that they have a bit of money.
3. Just to be an asshat.

Good reasons ... if you never want to sell a single game again or have other parties do business with you.

Also very unlikely reasons when you are willing to declare exactly how many keys have been sold according to the reports and payments you admit getting while the third party will only say look made a payment without giving any details on what it covers.

[Ham the Terrible]

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Good reasons ... if you never want to sell a single game again or have other parties do business with you.

Also very unlikely reasons when you are willing to declare exactly how many keys have been sold according to the reports and payments you admit getting while the third party will only say look made a payment without giving any details on what it covers.

If he/she actually had trouble with payments, why wait two years to revoke keys?
"People are still activating keys occasionally."
Call people on B.S. and they'll always come up with some lame excuse.

[Count_Dandyman]

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Also very unlikely reasons when you are willing to declare exactly how many keys have been sold according to the reports and payments you admit getting while the third party will only say look made a payment without giving any details on what it covers.

If he/she actually had trouble with payments, why wait two years to revoke keys?
"People are still activating keys occasionally."
Call people on B.S. and they'll always come up with some lame excuse.

Probably because it took that long for enough keys to be activated to make it very clear that there were a large enough amount more then the amount that were sold to not be a minor issue.

[Start_Running]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Drunken Masta ₃⁶:

Easy. Same way we found out that the last game's key revokal was fraudulent.

Dev says "These guys did not pay me"

Valve says "Okay, we'll contact the site"

Site says "Here's our proof of payment" - which they actually showed pretty much everyone in this case.

Valve says "Hey dev, they paid you. No key revokal tool for you"

Except that the site is under no onus to provide Valve with that information and manby would actively refuse to give out such information on principal. Valve has no power or contract with these third party sites.

Also what hapopens when the devs show their records and show no payment?

This becomes a game of he said, she said.

It took 1 person asking the accused website to find this out for the last game.

And what did the website do about that? Did they issue a refund, did they issue new keys?

[djmegalon]

I was just revoked earlier when logging Goplay, she said it was a beta key was, I bought it on the first october and there was nothing of beta version. and it's always we little ones who have to endure everything whether it's true or not is not relevantant.