Censorship on the Steam store

[trangalho]

What's going on with the recent wave of game bans on the Steam store? This is just a repeat of what started back in February with Maidens of Michael and after the backlash with the attempt by the Steam staff to ban games that they dislike, it was promised that Valve would no longer try to thought police their own consumers, as long as the games didn't involve illegal content. Six months later and here we are with Valve employees once again randomly banning games because they don't like their content. The ridiculous "think about the fictional children" argument doesn't stick in the case of Imolicious, which is just proof that Valve once again has no standards and is just leaving this to their employees' whims.

I know that this will just end up being locked after a passive aggressive reply which won't justify their actions, but I can't just let this pass.

[Theblaze]

Sorry, but it's Valve's store, they are free to set whatever policy they want.

Just my thoughts.

[Zaskar]

Even if i agree with you(but those games still have to be put in a special category so the people can ignore them and minor gamers can't see them), like Theblaze said, it's their store and they can choose to remove any game they want. Unfortunatly, Valve probably wants to be politically correct.

[Getty]

soo no examples, huh?

[Ashdemai]

Originally posted by Theblaze:

Sorry, but it's Valve's store, they are free to set whatever policy they want.

Just my thoughts.

But the point was that they would stop filtering stuff on the fact that they dislike it, and let any game run through AS LONG as it's not ILLEGAL with loli isn't in the US. or straight up trolling which Valve is clearly not following since those banned games are full fledged games and not ripoffs. So no, after that policy change, they are clearly still policing games into the store.

[Ashdemai]

Originally posted by Getty:

soo no examples, huh?

Imolicious, Maomao Discovery Team and one more I can't remember the name of right now

[Crazy Tiger]

From what I've read Imolicious us under review currently for possible child exploitation in it, but with possibility of getting on the store in december. Key to Home is banned twice for the same reason. And Maomao discovery Team is unclear, but the developer seems to not have opened up about the ban.

I'm not saying the games are guilty of it, but if they're reviewing and banning games for child exploitation, than it's logical as that is illegal.
Also, you noted in one of your posts that something isn't illegal in the US. That doesn't matter, Valve sells wordlwide, they have to comply to the laws of many countries.

In the end it's their store and they do with it what they want. It is their right to do so.

[Black Blade]

Originally posted by Ashdemai:

Imolicious, Maomao Discovery Team and one more I can't remember the name of right now

Did any developer respond on the matter?
For "Maomao Discovery Team" reading on the Hub they did not seem to have anything officel and on top of that the Sub is avaible
So possible there was a store page issue or even the developer removed it them self for some free advertising

We dont know the reason but if the Sub for that is avaible I dont think its Valve removing it becouse of its content

Only looked up that one
Dont know about outhers but just pointing dont jump to ideas of this or that without something solid

I picked that one becouse the name Dscovery Team sound intresting did not search or look at outhers

too slow

Seem like Crazy Tiger did a better and faster job then me XD

[trangalho]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

From what I've read Imolicious us under review currently for possible child exploitation in it, but with possibility of getting on the store in december. Key to Home is banned twice for the same reason. And Maomao discovery Team is unclear, but the developer seems to not have opened up about the ban.

I'm not saying the games are guilty of it, but if they're reviewing and banning games for child exploitation, than it's logical as that is illegal.
Also, you noted in one of your posts that something isn't illegal in the US. That doesn't matter, Valve sells wordlwide, they have to comply to the laws of many countries.

In the end it's their store and they do with it what they want. It is their right to do so.

Ironically, Imolicious' heroine looks older than some girls on HuniePop and other titles which apparently are only approved because they sell plenty of copies.

A game's content being illegal on certain countries has never deterred Valve from selling games which are illegal in Germany by region locking them.

And as a consumer, I demand to know where they stand because their current actions don't fit in with the guidelines that they defined months ago. Once again, everything is left to the moderator's criteria and if they don't like a game, it gets axed.

[Count_Dandyman]

Originally posted by trangalho:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

From what I've read Imolicious us under review currently for possible child exploitation in it, but with possibility of getting on the store in december. Key to Home is banned twice for the same reason. And Maomao discovery Team is unclear, but the developer seems to not have opened up about the ban.

I'm not saying the games are guilty of it, but if they're reviewing and banning games for child exploitation, than it's logical as that is illegal.
Also, you noted in one of your posts that something isn't illegal in the US. That doesn't matter, Valve sells wordlwide, they have to comply to the laws of many countries.

In the end it's their store and they do with it what they want. It is their right to do so.

Ironically, Imolicious' heroine looks older than some girls on HuniePop and other titles which apparently are only approved because they sell plenty of copies.

A game's content being illegal on certain countries has never deterred Valve from selling games which are illegal in Germany by region locking them.

And as a consumer, I demand to know where they stand because their current actions don't fit in with the guidelines that they defined months ago. Once again, everything is left to the moderator's criteria and if they don't like a game, it gets axed.

While the heroine may look older her classmate they show in the trailer definelty doesn't and the classification of "child" is based on mental development as well as physical which means one of two possibilities.

1. Heroines age is younger then she looks and despite what you may have heard "she looked old enough" isn't a guaranteed pass on legal issues
2. Classmate looks much younger then she is and depending on what happens in the game could be an issue.

Either way the game isn't as cut and dry as you think.

[Ashdemai]

Originally posted by Count_Dandyman:

Originally posted by trangalho:

Ironically, Imolicious' heroine looks older than some girls on HuniePop and other titles which apparently are only approved because they sell plenty of copies.

A game's content being illegal on certain countries has never deterred Valve from selling games which are illegal in Germany by region locking them.

And as a consumer, I demand to know where they stand because their current actions don't fit in with the guidelines that they defined months ago. Once again, everything is left to the moderator's criteria and if they don't like a game, it gets axed.

While the heroine may look older her classmate they show in the trailer definelty doesn't and the classification of "child" is based on mental development as well as physical which means one of two possibilities.

1. Heroines age is younger then she looks and despite what you may have heard "she looked old enough" isn't a guaranteed pass on legal issues
2. Classmate looks much younger then she is and depending on what happens in the game could be an issue.

Either way the game isn't as cut and dry as you think.

According to US law, lolicon is federally protected under the 1st amendment of the constitution with only the 'obcenity claus' under the PROTECT act which is highly unconstitutional and uncontested as of now. Valve should have no reason to ban lolicon as long as real children aren't being harmed, since these are games and are of course fictional, it doesn't matter how the child looks or what age it supposedly is.

[Black Blade]

Originally posted by Ashdemai:

According to US law, lolicon is federally protected under the 1st amendment of the constitution with only the 'obcenity claus' under the PROTECT act which is highly unconstitutional and uncontested as of now. Valve should have no reason to ban lolicon as long as real children aren't being harmed, since these are games and are of course fictional, it doesn't matter how the child looks or what age it supposedly is.

Reading on it in Wikipidea I dont think it so clear cut as you seem to apply it to be
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors

[Satoru]

Originally posted by trangalho:

A game's content being illegal on certain countries has never deterred Valve from selling games which are illegal in Germany by region locking them.

1) The german version of games are entirely different content
2) adult games are already region locked in various countries

And as a consumer, I demand to know where they stand because their current actions don't fit in with the guidelines that they defined months ago. Once again, everything is left to the moderator's criteria and if they don't like a game, it gets axed.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/710370/discussions/0/1696049513763062461/?ctp=2#c1751232561623675145

Moderators do not remove games

But yeah lets insult them because you dont' actually understand anything

Only valve employees can

Oh so basically insult valve employees THAT will surely go over well.



Vavle removes games when they violate the rules

Which that dev has done

MULTIPLE times

Blame them for LYING to valve

MULTIPLE times

Go whine to the devs because THEY are the ones lying to you

You can 'demand' whatever you want. You're not entitled to anything because valve isnt the problem. Its a problem with a dev that cant seem to get their head straight about NOT LYING about things

[Black Blade]

Originally posted by Satoru:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/710370/discussions/0/1696049513763062461/?ctp=2#c1751232561623675145

Moderators do not remove games

But yeah lets insult them because you dont' actually understand anything

Only valve employees can

Oh so basically insult valve employees THAT will surely go over well.



Vavle removes games when they violate the rules

Which that dev has done

MULTIPLE times

Blame them for LYING to valve

MULTIPLE times

Go whine to the devs because THEY are the ones lying to you

You can 'demand' whatever you want. You're not entitled to anything because valve isnt the problem. Its a problem with a dev that cant seem to get their head straight about NOT LYING about things

Can you add some souces or info on that lying?
I dont follow the story much and yet to see that rise

[Satoru]

Originally posted by Black Blade:

Can you add some souces or info on that lying?
I dont follow the story much and yet to see that rise

Their previous game was removed as well and on the internet they “claimed” it was ESRB T rated so that valve was dumb to remove it

People looked online and couldn’t find an official ESRB rating through their searchable database

They then back pedaled and said it was a digital only ESRB rating

Ergo they lied about their T rating under the guise that such rating was officially provided by the ESRB. When in fact it was SELF REPORTED and can basically say anything at all if you lie on the form.

This dev obviously yet again lied on their submission to steam which is likely why it was removed. Yet their “fans” seem to think this is valves fault

Really the dev is just trolling their “story” to GamerGate styled websites who are more than happy to take their lies at face value for click bait views that match their twisted world views

[TAYUTA]

I would like to add an opinion from the consultant based on wikipedia.

"Cultural critic Hiroki Azuma said that very few readers of lolicon manga commit crimes. He states that in the otaku culture, lolicon is the "most convenient [form of rebellion]" against society. Azuma says that some otaku feel so "excluded from society" that they "feel as if they are the sort of 'no good' person who should be attracted to little girls". Sarah Goode describes the accumulation of lolicon materials as being "a medium through which disaffected men may choose to express their sense of anomie and disconnection with society". When questioning the relationship of lolicon to "finding children in real life sexually attractive", Goode presents the argument of a lolicon fan "that even if I could be classified as a kind of anime lolicon, it'd NEVER translate into RL pedophilia. This is predicated on the belief that the anime lolis I like DO NOT EXIST in RL"."

Currently Steam has removed and banned several games like "A Key to Home, Maomao Discovery Team, and Imolicious". Steam has accuse them for a game for pedophilia audience, in which I strongly disagree because Loli art style is far different than a REAL LIFE kids. Loli itself is just an art style not reflecting any reality at all.

I pray for these games can get back online in steam store, because the only one who may be accused as pedophiles is a person WHO COMMIT CHILD ABUSE IN REAL LIFE. Please consider.