STEAM NO SUPPORT ON XP AND VISTA: BUT... Questions I have?

[オリエ]

OK. So the news is that no more suport in Windows Xp and Vista.... BUT

I am still using WIN XP, and I have very good reasons for it (its my problem), but.... I have a lot fo questions:

-> recently the screenshot function (F12) stopped workign out of nowhere, and I was looking on the web, and everyone seemed to say, to use in settings, "Steam Beta Update"
As result, yesterday I was only introduced to the counter above on Steam winodw pointing how many days I can still use Steam.
-> now, for some reason, I was logged in my account, but I was not. Steam would login with my username and password,all correct, but I wa snot able to see my profile nor my provate stuff like screenshots.
-> turned out, I changed in settings, from "Steam Beta Update" to "NONE - opt out of all beta programs", and now I can access my account fully, and that counter disapeared.

My question is:
As I can afford to change out of nowhere of OS, even if Steam will not have suport on Win XP, will I still be able to play my games? no support, ok. But can I still play my games? I payed for them, and as much as some people might say "just update your OS" that is out of question for a lot of personal reasons. Because now I feel... I wasted money for nothing.

-> Is there a way to contact STEAM Support directly, like an e-mail?
because I need a solution regarding my screenshots. I have almost 8 500 screenshots, and due to a steam bug, it got deleted from my Hard-drive, luckily, fro some strange reason I woudl alwyas upload them on my cloud account. Going one by one picture..... is gonna take a some time to get it all back. I wanted to be able to get them all at once.
"Steamgrabber" option is a no-no, as I already tried it.

Please, would spome one be kindly enough to help me with these questions of mine?

[Seraphita]

Hence me calling it a zombie OS because that's all it is at this point. Clinging to it is not only wrong but insecure because it can be attacked by exploits and Microsoft themselves warned us.

[Black Blade]

@CZBGR Icepick

Ok let's make this clear because I for one am getting fed up of repeating my self over and over like talking to a brick wall

First of all and I will not repeat this for again as this is what 3-5 time?
Offline mode was a reply to a specific issue, that it does do the job for, it does not mean it needs to have all the functions as for someone that only wants to be able to play the game that is great
No achievements or anything
So you can stop saying "O it has no this or that" because for the how many time I need to say this I know, and its not relevant for why I even posted that, so please read why I said that before you keep reaping the same none relevant points

Second, did you build your self a shelter underground in case a meteor will land on your house?
I mean sure there is no data that will happen, but IT MAY HAPPEN
That is about the same as what you say with "Games for XP don't run on 10" yes, yes they do, and if nobody can point to a game that really does not, and that comes from Steam, not from somewhere else
Then it's pointless
Can I prove that every single game on Steam can run on Windows 10, no, but as long as nobody can provide a game that really does not work, and not just give me a list of games that just FYI most of them say that they work and searching for not gives me 28 results for the word "not" that some of them are doubles and some of them are outside of the area or are for games that don't even on Steam for a while now

On any case I am going to take the list and see what I can run a test on, and I do think some of them I all ready tested

Point is you keep coming and saying "Ya but not all games work" but we can't find any game that does not work for real
and as we keep going there are less and fewer games that are in the list of even option of a game not working, making it, very much a false point

Third I am not sure if I was not clear about something, the punch card was to the point of taking games out of Steam and basically saying that not been able to run it is Steam fault and for that, they should not stop supporting XP
Just as much as saying that Steam needs to support XP because of a punch card game can work on new hardware because you may not have the hardware for it, its honstly simply not relevant and has no implements to the discussion
Say as your Organ Trail game from CD, how is that relvent, its not a Steam game, and if you have an issue with it, that issue will not be effected in any way before or after Steam stop Windows XP support
I do assume you bring it up as "See some games don't work" but if none of this games are not on Steam, they're not relevant, as if every game that is on Steam does work on newer systems then Steam has no reason from that to keep supporting XP for games that can and work fine on later systems

Please stop bringing up the "Maybe" not going to work, if you cant give a Steam game that does not work

And to start the list:

• "GTA (Original GTA. Steam version that came with bundle) - Not Playable. (Display Issues.)" was all ready tested on Windows 10 and works
  
• Avengers Alliance (Free from Store) - Not Playable. Would not install. (Servers where shut down so...
  
• Defense Grid : The Awakening - Not Playable. (Works fine, no issue, no patch nothing)
  
• Counter Strike Nexon Zombies - Not Playable. Works fine no issues)
  
• Cry of Fear - Not Playable. (Works fine no issues)
  
• Devil May Cry 4 - Playable in Direct X10 (works fine on defualt no issue)
  
• Shadowgrounds - Not Playable. Crashed after menu at game load. (Works fine no issue)
  
• Shadowgrounds : Survivor - Not Playable. Crashed after menu at game load. (Finely a game that had some issue, so had to install older version of PhysX[www.nvidia.com] then it works just fine

Beyond this point I am done, I am really gettietting tired of someone just pointing me at lists, that for most part to all work fine and have no issue, for later I really prefer if somone can point to one game, compere to a huge list that says even that most of them work, and that some or many of them are not even on Steam and I don't think they ever where

[mimizukari]

I concur, I own every gta game on steam (except london which was never brought to steam) and GTA San Andreas plays fine on windows 10 64 bit no compatibility settings. people complaining just don't want to hop off their archaic os and want to get ransomware/virus'd up.

[conjurerdragon]

Messaggio originale di Zero:

Um... No. Valve does exactly well to move ahead since everyone can easily acknowledge the non-existence of XP.

Well for once it is not only Windows XP 32bit but Windows XP32+64bit+Windows Vista that are announced to be dropped in 2019. And please avoid to make general remarks like "everyone can...". The whole mess that is discussed in several threads shows that a number of people do not agree with that. And regardless if those are a minority on Steam, that means that your claim to speak for "everyone" is presumptious.

Anybody who remain on that zombie OS needs to change soon and if they are so stubborn that they won't. (Don't even tell me that they can't), valve can't do anything...

And that is simply wrong. They could do different but consciously decide not to. In the threads about the planned crippling of the Steam Client there have been several suggestions how the whole problem could be avoided or treated better even if the current Steam Client would be changed in 2019.

[mimizukari]

Messaggio originale di conjurerdragon:

Messaggio originale di Zero:

Um... No. Valve does exactly well to move ahead since everyone can easily acknowledge the non-existence of XP.

Well for once it is not only Windows XP 32bit but Windows XP32+64bit+Windows Vista that are announced to be dropped in 2019. And please avoid to make general remarks like "everyone can...". The whole mess that is discussed in several threads shows that a number of people do not agree with that. And regardless if those are a minority on Steam, that means that your claim to speak for "everyone" is presumptious.

Anybody who remain on that zombie OS needs to change soon and if they are so stubborn that they won't. (Don't even tell me that they can't), valve can't do anything...

And that is simply wrong. They could do different but consciously decide not to. In the threads about the planned crippling of the Steam Client there have been several suggestions how the whole problem could be avoided or treated better even if the current Steam Client would be changed in 2019.

Vista and XP both have no support from microsoft anymore. no security updates = ransomware, malware, viruses that your protection won't protect you against. Remaining on those os is IDIOTIC. There's no other word for it. If you choose to remain on those OS, you can still launch games, but you can not use other steam features. Be happy valve is still letting you play your games, in the mean time save some dosh and upgrade to windows 10.

[Seraphita]

And they try to make me feel bad for pointing at the obvious fact that even microsoft themselves killed the support for XP, making the OS a prey for anybody to attack easily. Steam has not one single reason to keep support for a dead OS, not a single one. People are many gens behind...

[conjurerdragon]

Messaggio originale di Black Blade:

@CZBGR Icepick

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That is about the same as what you say with "Games for XP don't run on 10" yes, yes they do, and if nobody can point to a game that really does not, and that comes from Steam, not from somewhere else
Then it's pointless
Can I prove that every single game on Steam can run on Windows 10, no, but as long as nobody can provide a game that really does not work, and not just give me a list of games that just FYI most of them say that they work and searching for not gives me 28 results for the word "not" that some of them are doubles and some of them are outside of the area or are for games that don't even on Steam for a while now

There is no point for that. People who do not use Windows 10 are obviously not able to test their old games on Windows 10 to jump through your loop of them "proving" to you that their game does not work on a system they do not own.

And they do not need to. A game that runs perfectly on their system has no need to run somehow on a newer operating system that they do not own - it can be expected to simply continue to run just like the years before. And when it stops running in 2019 it is not by limitations of the operating system or the game - it is by a planned change in the new Steam Client that prevents the Client from working on those systems and thus deliberately prevents the games from working on their system.

Third I am not sure if I was not clear about something, the punch card was to the point of taking games out of Steam and basically saying that not been able to run it is Steam fault and for that, they should not stop supporting XP

Steam does not support any operating system. Microsoft did support them until they dropped that support. Steam is simply obliged to support the continued use of the games that they already sold and that work perfectly - unless sabotaged by Steam itself.

And to start the list:

• "GTA (Original GTA. Steam version that came with bundle) - Not Playable. (Display Issues.)" was all ready tested on Windows 10 and works
  
• Avengers Alliance (Free from Store) - Not Playable. Would not install. (Servers where shut down so...

Thankyou. It is at least a good idea and helpful that those games are tested to run on Windows 10. However having a legacy client would save you from the trouble to test every single game on an operating system it was not designed for and pestering your customers to change their working computersystem without any reason that is valid to them.

[Black Blade]

@conjurerdragon

Not quoting because these quotes are becoming a mess
First of all more then one here said they have 2 systems one on Windows 7/10 and one that is XP, so they can test it, second anyone can search, but I all ready did my searches with no luck, so the once that want to keep coming and claiming there is a game not working can try to find that one, or the claim simply holds no water

Second, it does not make it deliberately, it's an outcome of the update, not the reason the update is done
And yes they do need to prove the game does not work if they're going to keep coming and claiming that games from Steam don't work on Windows 10
I went I am not even sure by how many games already and there worked, most of them with no need to do anything but press play and that is it
Others had very small stuff to do (set compilibty mode, add a line to an ini file) and they then worked
so far I think only 1 game I had to change files and one game that worked I had to install something to get the same graphical look of the game from before, but beyond that, it works just great

"Steam does not support any operating system. Microsoft did support them until they dropped that support. Steam is simply obliged to support the continued use of the games that they already sold and that work perfectly - unless sabotaged by Steam itself."
I may be miss understanding that or what it has do to with the quote, I am replaying there to @CZBGR Icepick claim that some games outside of Steam don't work on modern OS, that I am saying is simply not relevant, if there is no game that is on Steam that really has an issue to work on modern hardware and OS, then showing that a game that is not on Steam that doesn't work is pointless
As its just not relevant if the games on Steam work fine

About the last point, I understand and can agree, but, having a legacy client as already said is not a simple castaway and leave as some here claim, that will be just letting the user use an offline mode that is the no maintenance they can do, the problem is that you can download and some on then
And claiming that they then should make a client that can only download or the like means they need to keep something for that on there servers, and will have to maintain that on top of them working on the newer systems
They can't just leave it as is and move on as let's just say they change how passwords send to the servers because there is a security breach on the current way, do they then leave a hole in the servers with that for old users? do they leave the old users with unprotected passwords and users names?
Or do they need to return back and do some work on the legacy code? that means that they need to keep someone that knows the code, and he likely has to refresh it every so often meaning manpower just wasted on that
and you add to that then to any time in later on they want to move on for something else, do they need to keep doing that for entranel? I mean there is never a cut off time for any system right? keep them running for ever? will that then not mean they may need ot have in 200 years 300 employs that there jobs are just to know the lagacy code of any OS they used to work with?

I think you can see what my point is, I will be more then glad if Valve indeed takes the time and makes that client, its a huge for users thing, but on the other hand, I can completely agree on them if they pick not to do it, and as I said I cant for all my try and effort find a game that really doesn't work on Windows 10 that come from XP
So I can't stand even on the point of support to old games, when there really dose not seem to be any game that is in there (That is on Steam @CZBGR Icepick)

[conjurerdragon]

Messaggio originale di Yuiko:

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Vista and XP both have no support from microsoft anymore.

So? We are not talking about Vista or XP having problems that would prevent the running of Steam games on those systems so support for them from MS is not needed or asked for. And neither is it the problem of the games creators that would need support to run their games.
The problem is the planned change in the Steam Client in 2019.

no security updates = ransomware, malware, viruses that your protection won't protect you against.

There are quite a number of dangers both on the Internet and in the real world against which no 100% protection exists. Neither for old, nor for newer, nor for the most recent operating systems (e.g. Zeroday exploits). Virus software, even on Windows 10, can only protect from known viruses lest they are not detected (or you can use heuristic measures to detect similar bits in every software that slows down the system and leads to many false-positive warnings).

Once someone understands that 100% security does not exist - regardless of the operating system used, there is hope in that those threats target modern systems more often, because just as Valve the culprits behind botnets or viruses go for the numbers as there is more money and fame to be made there. And of course in common sense that means not clicking on every link in E-Mails, not opening attachments that noone has announced to you (yes those attatchments that the new Steam Chat now allows to be sent to you) and not surfing with administrator rights or without some measures against hostile scripts (e.g. Noscript).

Remaining on those os is IDIOTIC. There's no other word for it.

I am sorry to hear that your vocabulary is that limited.

If you choose to remain on those OS, you can still launch games, but you can not use other steam features.

Would that not be great? At least to those who simply would be happy to be able to lauch their games from 2019 onward and could do without the other Steam features?

Be happy valve is still letting you play your games, in the mean time save some dosh and upgrade to windows 10.

Well, that is quite astonishing. I have paid for my games and I should be happy that the store that sold them "does allow me to play them until the end of the year"?

[Seraphita]

Lol. The fact you don't want to evolve from XP is worrying and is NOT valve's problem. It's like asking to be able to play PS4 games on a PS1. And while the example doesn't fit perfectly with the current context, I suggest you stop using a crappy dead OS. Even if you paid for your games.

[martydaparty4u]

Just dual boot, win10 was free for like ever no excuses really to not have it as win7/8 have the same ms spyware on them.

[conjurerdragon]

Messaggio originale di Zero:

Lol. The fact you don't want to evolve from XP is worrying

Really? Why? If something works on a computer of someone, be it Windows 32bit XP or Vista or 64bit XP or 64bit Vista what exactly troubles your mind that you have to worry about it?

And what exactly has an operating system to do if I want to evolve? Do you define yourself by your operating system? If so please promise me not to jump off a cliff if your operating system has problems in the future.

and is NOT valve's problem. It's like asking to be able to play PS4 games on a PS1.

Your comparison would only fit if PS4 games have once worked perfectly on a PS1 and then stopped working due to the decisions of the store that sold the consoles.
But just to make it clear again: I do not expect that new versions of the Steam client from 2019 onward work with all featues on XP or Vista - if Valve choses to add content to them that older OS are not able to work with that is o.k. with me. And if they chose to not make that stuff optional - their choice.
My problem is solely that Windows XP and Vista games that did run perfectly on Windows XP and Vista for years will stop running on Windows XP and Vista because Valve pulls the plug. Not a problem of the OS or the game - Valves decision that could easily be mended by releasing the last Steam Client of this year without Chat and Store function as as a legacy client just to "offline"-launch the already sold games. Taking care of the needs of valued customers and such.

And while the example doesn't fit perfectly with the current context, I suggest you stop using a crappy dead OS. Even if you paid for your games.

When an operating systems worth is defined by being able to do with it what I intend to do then no OS is crap as long as it does. And while I intend to update - in my own time - as I have already numerous times (e.g. from my C-64 to MSDOS 5.0, MSDOS 6.2, Windows 3.11, Windows 95C, Windows98SE, Windoes ME and Windows XP SP3), it certainly won’t be because a store reneges on it’s obligations and makes the purchases done there unusable for their intended use.

[ KARR™]

Messaggio originale di conjurerdragon:

Messaggio originale di Zero:

Lol. The fact you don't want to evolve from XP is worrying

Really? Why? If something works on a computer of someone, be it Windows 32bit XP or Vista or 64bit XP or 64bit Vista what exactly troubles your mind that you have to worry about it?

And what exactly has an operating system to do if I want to evolve? Do you define yourself by your operating system? If so please promise me not to jump off a cliff if your operating system has problems in the future.

Mostly security. If you're using XP/Vista that has its supported ended you are open to all the latest security exploits. If you're open to them, you're open to become a spambot that spams everyone else who HAS upgraded, etc.

[conjurerdragon]

Messaggio originale di  KARR™:

Messaggio originale di conjurerdragon:

Really? Why? If something works on a computer of someone, be it Windows 32bit XP or Vista or 64bit XP or 64bit Vista what exactly troubles your mind that you have to worry about it?

And what exactly has an operating system to do if I want to evolve? Do you define yourself by your operating system? If so please promise me not to jump off a cliff if your operating system has problems in the future.

Mostly security. If you're using XP/Vista that has its supported ended you are open to all the latest security exploits. If you're open to them, you're open to become a spambot that spams everyone else who HAS upgraded, etc.

Every system is open to the latest security exploits. Once they are closed new ones certainly will be found in complex systems so even the most modern operating system is not immune from infection and will never be.

And if - by your logic - those who have upgraded are protected, then where is the risk for them if another ones system had been compromised? And where exactly would be the danger from me, where I do not even want any chat to be able to send attachments?

[Baltist]

Messaggio originale di martydaparty4u:

Just dual boot, win10 was free for like ever no excuses really to not have it as win7/8 have the same ms spyware on them.

Aside from the fact that windows 10 was absolute ****ing trash then? And still has many of the issues (at least for me) still in?