STEAM NO SUPPORT ON XP AND VISTA: BUT... Questions I have?

[オリエ]

OK. So the news is that no more suport in Windows Xp and Vista.... BUT

I am still using WIN XP, and I have very good reasons for it (its my problem), but.... I have a lot fo questions:

-> recently the screenshot function (F12) stopped workign out of nowhere, and I was looking on the web, and everyone seemed to say, to use in settings, "Steam Beta Update"
As result, yesterday I was only introduced to the counter above on Steam winodw pointing how many days I can still use Steam.
-> now, for some reason, I was logged in my account, but I was not. Steam would login with my username and password,all correct, but I wa snot able to see my profile nor my provate stuff like screenshots.
-> turned out, I changed in settings, from "Steam Beta Update" to "NONE - opt out of all beta programs", and now I can access my account fully, and that counter disapeared.

My question is:
As I can afford to change out of nowhere of OS, even if Steam will not have suport on Win XP, will I still be able to play my games? no support, ok. But can I still play my games? I payed for them, and as much as some people might say "just update your OS" that is out of question for a lot of personal reasons. Because now I feel... I wasted money for nothing.

-> Is there a way to contact STEAM Support directly, like an e-mail?
because I need a solution regarding my screenshots. I have almost 8 500 screenshots, and due to a steam bug, it got deleted from my Hard-drive, luckily, fro some strange reason I woudl alwyas upload them on my cloud account. Going one by one picture..... is gonna take a some time to get it all back. I wanted to be able to get them all at once.
"Steamgrabber" option is a no-no, as I already tried it.

Please, would spome one be kindly enough to help me with these questions of mine?

[Baltist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

So...... i opened up the files, and found out it wasn't saved? Figured i just forgot because i'm prone to brain farts (more then i'd like), but when i put it in and saved, i closed the files, brought them up again and the changes were gone again? The hell is going on?

Changes? files?
what are you changing? your not suppose to change any files for this, just the link to Steam

And on the WTH thing its becouse Steam has a "self recovery" setting that if you run it and its fines where changed it will change them back

What you need to do is copy the Steam.exe
Paste a shoutcut somewhere (desktop?) when right click the shurtcut, propoties
In there change the shurtcut to end with the -nofriendsui -nochat

Which is technically a file? Like if you open up the properties for any program, it's displayed as a file?

[Black Blade]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CZBGR Icepick:

But generally speaking, it's not about Steam. If it generally won't work, it shouldn't be on Steam, let alone GOG. I wouldn't use all Steam games as an example, but consider all the games that exist in the world. That's why games like Omikron didn't get on Steam until years later after release, let alone GOG until someone made a fix that it stayed on GOG, then Steam used the copy of that version. But this also means there are also sometimes other additional hoops. In fact, in some cases, might not work at all. Just because you don't find issues on your end, doesn't mean your configuration is the same as someone else's.

Like right now, I made a project of installing Oregon Trail, 3rd Edition, that is a (3CD!) boxed copy I had long ago running on Windows 98. I have games like that Steam does not have. It cannot be installed in Windows 7. In fact, this prompted me to install it on the Windows XP Mode emulator, which finally did install. Yet, running the game was extremely problematic, as the video engine was not up to snuff, as the animation freezes frequently and such. I cannot Google support for that kind of stuff anymore and have to come up with things on my own. That for example, is something you haven't done yet. You won't find this game on Steam, but there are certainly CDs you'd find in places that modern PCs don't handle well.

Another one I did involved some peculiar situations. 32 bit games with 16 bit installers. With the 16 bit installers on a Windows 7 64 bit machine, it's impossible. With an emulator on 32 bit machines, I've even had no success, strangely enough. Tried all avenues with compatibility mode. That is, until I tried a special installer solution and installed a couple games successfully on my 64 bit machine. The problem is, this may be a solution, but this is not 100% reliable. I just got lucky with a few of them, but not every one.

First of all if the game is not on Steam, so what does it have to do on this topic?
Again I am only referring to games sold on Steam if the game is not sold on Steam, then honestly it can be a computer card game, its great, but tis not going to run on anything new without a card reader
But there is nothing Valve can or is suppose to do about it

You can point to that one or two games out of Steam but then they don't need Steam to run, so Steam dropping support for XP will not effect them in any way

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

Changes? files?
what are you changing? your not suppose to change any files for this, just the link to Steam

And on the WTH thing its becouse Steam has a "self recovery" setting that if you run it and its fines where changed it will change them back

What you need to do is copy the Steam.exe
Paste a shoutcut somewhere (desktop?) when right click the shurtcut, propoties
In there change the shurtcut to end with the -nofriendsui -nochat

Which is technically a file? Like if you open up the properties for any program, it's displayed as a file?

I am pretty sure a shortcut tenacity is not a file
and in no way is it suppose to roll back

Here is a screenshot from my desktop of it:
https://i.imgur.com/ExIYlOT.png

Also make sure its a shortcut, what ever you do do not put Steam.exe on your desktop, if you do it will think its missing files and install Steam on your dekstop that is less then convinite

[CZBGR Icepick]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

Changes? files?
what are you changing? your not suppose to change any files for this, just the link to Steam

And on the WTH thing its becouse Steam has a "self recovery" setting that if you run it and its fines where changed it will change them back

What you need to do is copy the Steam.exe
Paste a shoutcut somewhere (desktop?) when right click the shurtcut, propoties
In there change the shurtcut to end with the -nofriendsui -nochat

Which is technically a file? Like if you open up the properties for any program, it's displayed as a file?

Actually Steam.exe is a program. You can't exactly set file properties on files, except for shortcuts (shortcuts are basically a program, treated as such that you can set launching properties). That being said, programs allow you to launch them with special properties, so that code on that will work.

[Baltist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CZBGR Icepick:

But generally speaking, it's not about Steam. If it generally won't work, it shouldn't be on Steam, let alone GOG. I wouldn't use all Steam games as an example, but consider all the games that exist in the world. That's why games like Omikron didn't get on Steam until years later after release, let alone GOG until someone made a fix that it stayed on GOG, then Steam used the copy of that version. But this also means there are also sometimes other additional hoops. In fact, in some cases, might not work at all. Just because you don't find issues on your end, doesn't mean your configuration is the same as someone else's.

Like right now, I made a project of installing Oregon Trail, 3rd Edition, that is a (3CD!) boxed copy I had long ago running on Windows 98. I have games like that Steam does not have. It cannot be installed in Windows 7. In fact, this prompted me to install it on the Windows XP Mode emulator, which finally did install. Yet, running the game was extremely problematic, as the video engine was not up to snuff, as the animation freezes frequently and such. I cannot Google support for that kind of stuff anymore and have to come up with things on my own. That for example, is something you haven't done yet. You won't find this game on Steam, but there are certainly CDs you'd find in places that modern PCs don't handle well.

Another one I did involved some peculiar situations. 32 bit games with 16 bit installers. With the 16 bit installers on a Windows 7 64 bit machine, it's impossible. With an emulator on 32 bit machines, I've even had no success, strangely enough. Tried all avenues with compatibility mode. That is, until I tried a special installer solution and installed a couple games successfully on my 64 bit machine. The problem is, this may be a solution, but this is not 100% reliable. I just got lucky with a few of them, but not every one.

First of all if the game is not on Steam, so what does it have to do on this topic?
Again I am only referring to games sold on Steam if the game is not sold on Steam, then honestly it can be a computer card game, its great, but tis not going to run on anything new without a card reader
But there is nothing Valve can or is suppose to do about it

You can point to that one or two games out of Steam but then they don't need Steam to run, so Steam dropping support for XP will not effect them in any way

If it's on GoG, it's not just because they went out of their way to make arrangements to sell it, but to also have their way with the coding as to make it work on modern hardware. Most of the time, the games work just fine. Sometimes, you're still gonna need to tweak the game. And that's what i like about GoG, they don't really sell any games without trying to make them work.

[Baltist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CZBGR Icepick:

But generally speaking, it's not about Steam. If it generally won't work, it shouldn't be on Steam, let alone GOG. I wouldn't use all Steam games as an example, but consider all the games that exist in the world. That's why games like Omikron didn't get on Steam until years later after release, let alone GOG until someone made a fix that it stayed on GOG, then Steam used the copy of that version. But this also means there are also sometimes other additional hoops. In fact, in some cases, might not work at all. Just because you don't find issues on your end, doesn't mean your configuration is the same as someone else's.

Like right now, I made a project of installing Oregon Trail, 3rd Edition, that is a (3CD!) boxed copy I had long ago running on Windows 98. I have games like that Steam does not have. It cannot be installed in Windows 7. In fact, this prompted me to install it on the Windows XP Mode emulator, which finally did install. Yet, running the game was extremely problematic, as the video engine was not up to snuff, as the animation freezes frequently and such. I cannot Google support for that kind of stuff anymore and have to come up with things on my own. That for example, is something you haven't done yet. You won't find this game on Steam, but there are certainly CDs you'd find in places that modern PCs don't handle well.

Another one I did involved some peculiar situations. 32 bit games with 16 bit installers. With the 16 bit installers on a Windows 7 64 bit machine, it's impossible. With an emulator on 32 bit machines, I've even had no success, strangely enough. Tried all avenues with compatibility mode. That is, until I tried a special installer solution and installed a couple games successfully on my 64 bit machine. The problem is, this may be a solution, but this is not 100% reliable. I just got lucky with a few of them, but not every one.

First of all if the game is not on Steam, so what does it have to do on this topic?
Again I am only referring to games sold on Steam if the game is not sold on Steam, then honestly it can be a computer card game, its great, but tis not going to run on anything new without a card reader
But there is nothing Valve can or is suppose to do about it

You can point to that one or two games out of Steam but then they don't need Steam to run, so Steam dropping support for XP will not effect them in any way

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

Which is technically a file? Like if you open up the properties for any program, it's displayed as a file?

I am pretty sure a shortcut tenacity is not a file
and in no way is it suppose to roll back

Here is a screenshot from my desktop of it:
https://i.imgur.com/ExIYlOT.png

Also make sure its a shortcut, what ever you do do not put Steam.exe on your desktop, if you do it will think its missing files and install Steam on your dekstop that is less then convinite

OH. Wonder how many people made the same mistake as me then. Lemme give this a shot.

[Winged One]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

@Black Blade 1. I set it exactly and rebooted steam, even gave my computer a reboot, and nothing. just didn't work.

2. Microsoft isn't really relevent imo thanks to windows 10. While i heard that it's "better" now, all the issues i originally had when i gave it a shot during that free upgrade period seem to still be there. And i wouldn't doubt if they cut windows 7/8 support in the very near future just to try and goad more people into windows 10

most people who had direct issues with Windows 10 during the free upgrade is the fault of the upgrade process, not Windows 10 itself.. people had similar issues when upgrading XP to Vista..

there is alot of things that can go wrong during a direct OS upgrade.. if you instead nuke-n-pave most of those issues go away, as you are starting from scratch and not carrying over remnants of the old OS..



the only real common issues with Windows 10 these days are its auto driver updating (which wrecks drivers on certain hardware meaning you have to reinstall the driver), and certain Wifi cards causing OS corruption during the twice yearly major updates (which can be resolved by removing, or upgrading your Wifi card).. funnily enough, both of which are a result of the auto driver updates..

aside from those, most issues with Windows 10 have happened on older OS's as well..




actually, the hybrid shut down can also cause some odd performance issues (and issues mounting network drives in a server environment), but that entire feature can just be disabled anyways (and should be)

[Black Blade]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

If it's on GoG, it's not just because they went out of their way to make arrangements to sell it, but to also have their way with the coding as to make it work on modern hardware. Most of the time, the games work just fine. Sometimes, you're still gonna need to tweak the game. And that's what i like about GoG, they don't really sell any games without trying to make them work.

And that is all great and more power for them, but its also somewhat why there GOG and not Steam
For good and bad of that

[CZBGR Icepick]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

First of all if the game is not on Steam, so what does it have to do on this topic?

The entire claim of saying "I have yet to see a game not run on Windows 10 (with all compatibility issues and fixes used)". Using Steam games is not representative of the entire world. In cases for games not on Steam, there are chances they do not work.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

Again I am only referring to games sold on Steam if the game is not sold on Steam, then honestly it can be a computer card game, its great, but tis not going to run on anything new without a card reader

I have no idea where you're going on with "card reader".

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

But there is nothing Valve can or is suppose to do about it

You can point to that one or two games out of Steam but then they don't need Steam to run, so Steam dropping support for XP will not effect them in any way

The problem is, you need the client to DOWNLOAD the game in the first place, let alone run it. Even if you don't need to run Steam, you still need to use the client to obtain the item. This includes DLCs and other goodies included. It's one thing for another game to have their own annoying client, but also a good thing that it avoids the Steam client, but this is not a universal feature. The other thing is, Steam linked cheevos and profile benefits are also dependent for the client to be used, as well as connecting to the internet. The client could very well operate offline rendering it nothing more than a glorified launcher; it's been developed much like GOG does except to require the use of the client and support with your OS to run the things you're enjoying right now.

So, for example, run your games with the client offline for a month, and see how that feels.

[Baltist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

If it's on GoG, it's not just because they went out of their way to make arrangements to sell it, but to also have their way with the coding as to make it work on modern hardware. Most of the time, the games work just fine. Sometimes, you're still gonna need to tweak the game. And that's what i like about GoG, they don't really sell any games without trying to make them work.

And that is all great and more power for them, but its also somewhat why there GOG and not Steam
For good and bad of that

Eh, true, but it looks like they have some passion for it. Which can't be said really for most of the games industry.

@theseraph1 I was actually one of the lucky few that WASN'T forced into it, and i gave windows 10 a shot near the end of the free upgrade period after the ****show. And yeah, one of my BIGGEST gripes was the auto-updating, but was also the fact.....
1. That i didn't remember agreeing to installing cortana onto my computer,
2. The constant badgering of "you're not signed into onedrive" (and while i later found out that it was essentially saying i wasn't signed into my microsoft accound, i thought it was badgering me to sign into some cloud data storage service with a name like that.
3. Looked like it was designed for a smart phone. (IE Ugly as sin)
4. Kept closing the games i was playing, and granted maybe that was a issue of the time (or a issue that was only happening to me)
5. All of the most intrusive privacy invading **** i had EVER seen.
6. This is a bit more of a gripe, but seriously? You'll allow people to play xbox one titles, but not xbox or xbox 360 titles? For **** sakes.
7. Why was it STILL recording me as i was playing games when i had turned it OFF.

[Black Blade]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CZBGR Icepick:

The entire claim of saying "I have yet to see a game not run on Windows 10 (with all compatibility issues and fixes used)". Using Steam games is not representative of the entire world. In cases for games not on Steam, there are chances they do not work.

I may have forgotten to add the part where I say there also "games that are sold on steam"
I am only talking about games that are from Steam because if they're not, then there honestly not relevant here

Therefor my second point:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CZBGR Icepick:

I have no idea where you're going on with "card reader".

Its half a joke to get the point
there used to be computers that you run on them your programs with cards like this:
https://imagination.oncell.com/en/pages/jacquard-loom-punch-card-8844.html
If you had a game on that, I am saying that its just as much not relevant if it cant run on newer OS's as if we start going outside of what is on the point here (Steam games) we can just about put any game from any era, and then just become silly like the punch card

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CZBGR Icepick:

The problem is, you need the client to DOWNLOAD the game in the first place, let alone run it. Even if you don't need to run Steam, you still need to use the client to obtain the item. This includes DLCs and other goodies included. It's one thing for another game to have their own annoying client, but also a good thing that it avoids the Steam client, but this is not a universal feature. The other thing is, Steam linked cheevos and profile benefits are also dependent for the client to be used, as well as connecting to the internet. The client could very well operate offline rendering it nothing more than a glorified launcher; it's been developed much like GOG does except to require the use of the client and support with your OS to run the things you're enjoying right now.

So, for example, run your games with the client offline for a month, and see how that feels.

I am not interested to do that, seeing that my current game is NMS and the multiplayer there right now is important, and so is the VR games, but that is beside the point as I suggested the offline mode if someone wants to have a client that can only run the games and nothing else

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

Eh, true, but it looks like they have some passion for it. Which can't be said really for most of the games industry.

@theseraph1 I was actually one of the lucky few that WASN'T forced into it, and i gave windows 10 a shot near the end of the free upgrade period after the ****show. And yeah, one of my BIGGEST gripes was the auto-updating, but was also the fact.....
1. That i didn't remember agreeing to installing cortana onto my computer,
2. The constant badgering of "you're not signed into onedrive" (and while i later found out that it was essentially saying i wasn't signed into my microsoft accound, i thought it was badgering me to sign into some cloud data storage service with a name like that.
3. Looked like it was designed for a smart phone. (IE Ugly as sin)
4. Kept closing the games i was playing, and granted maybe that was a issue of the time (or a issue that was only happening to me)
5. All of the most intrusive privacy invading **** i had EVER seen.
6. This is a bit more of a gripe, but seriously? You'll allow people to play xbox one titles, but not xbox or xbox 360 titles? For **** sakes.
7. Why was it STILL recording me as i was playing games when i had turned it OFF.

1. You install an OS, it's in there, you can however turn it off from the settings now, as well as many more things (I turn it on every so often to see if it learn that saying please is alright, till it cant do that its useless for me XD)
3. You wanted to use IE? who ever dose that? only use for it is to download the browser you will use ;D any way ya I hate the whole metro menus my self, I hope that we will bugg them enugth to leave us with also a non mento menu
4. Sounds odd... they did how ever add this thing that if it detects a game it active a game mode thing that disable notifications till you are done
5. You use the internet and micrsoft is the worst you seen? you may want to look deeper on outher sites out there
6. Well its becomse the games where design for the PC system then, when its made for Xbox one, unlike Xbox 360 and Xbox
7. I think I remmber that, I do think they fixed that thing, and it remains off now

[Baltist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

Eh, true, but it looks like they have some passion for it. Which can't be said really for most of the games industry.

@theseraph1 I was actually one of the lucky few that WASN'T forced into it, and i gave windows 10 a shot near the end of the free upgrade period after the ****show. And yeah, one of my BIGGEST gripes was the auto-updating, but was also the fact.....
1. That i didn't remember agreeing to installing cortana onto my computer,
2. The constant badgering of "you're not signed into onedrive" (and while i later found out that it was essentially saying i wasn't signed into my microsoft accound, i thought it was badgering me to sign into some cloud data storage service with a name like that.
3. Looked like it was designed for a smart phone. (IE Ugly as sin)
4. Kept closing the games i was playing, and granted maybe that was a issue of the time (or a issue that was only happening to me)
5. All of the most intrusive privacy invading **** i had EVER seen.
6. This is a bit more of a gripe, but seriously? You'll allow people to play xbox one titles, but not xbox or xbox 360 titles? For **** sakes.
7. Why was it STILL recording me as i was playing games when i had turned it OFF.

1. You install an OS, it's in there, you can however turn it off from the settings now, as well as many more things (I turn it on every so often to see if it learn that saying please is alright, till it cant do that its useless for me XD)
3. You wanted to use IE? who ever dose that? only use for it is to download the browser you will use ;D any way ya I hate the whole metro menus my self, I hope that we will bugg them enugth to leave us with also a non mento menu
4. Sounds odd... they did how ever add this thing that if it detects a game it active a game mode thing that disable notifications till you are done
5. You use the internet and micrsoft is the worst you seen? you may want to look deeper on outher sites out there :D:
6. Well its becomse the games where design for the PC system then, when its made for Xbox one, unlike Xbox 360 and Xbox
7. I think I remmber that, I do think they fixed that thing, and it remains off now

1. WHY is she part of the os
3. Not IE as in Internet Explorer, IE as in AKA.
5. In terms of being a upgrade to windows, it's ****ing abhorrent!
6. And yet they could've gone the extra mile! Hence more of a gripe if anything.

Like i will say my pc ran sooooo much faster, but that's a tiny postive compared to the rest of my experience.

[Black Blade]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

1. WHY is she part of the os
3. Not IE as in Internet Explorer, IE as in AKA.
5. In terms of being a upgrade to windows, it's ****ing abhorrent!
6. And yet they could've gone the extra mile! Hence more of a gripe if anything.

Like i will say my pc ran sooooo much faster, but that's a tiny postive compared to the rest of my experience.

1. I don't really know, I can mostly guess to compete with SIRI and to try and help them more with the whole data mining thing
Even that to be honest, I think Microsoft have all the right places, but are completely missing using the tools, so I don't think they collect it very well compare to Google that is the master, and Facebook that is second on it

2. Not sure what AKA is :(
5. Not sure what that means, so il just step away like I did not see this line XD
6. Its more then a mile, its a few hundred miles most likely as it will be like making a Virtual Machine for Xbox and Xbox 360 on Windows that will also mean that it will draw a lot of power from the PC to even work, and that is without putting in all the mess it may be to make it work at all

Totally get it, well that case stay off it for now, and wait til you will have to upgrade

[Baltist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Baltist:

1. WHY is she part of the os
3. Not IE as in Internet Explorer, IE as in AKA.
5. In terms of being a upgrade to windows, it's ****ing abhorrent!
6. And yet they could've gone the extra mile! Hence more of a gripe if anything.

Like i will say my pc ran sooooo much faster, but that's a tiny postive compared to the rest of my experience.

1. I don't really know, I can mostly guess to compete with SIRI and to try and help them more with the whole data mining thing
Even that to be honest, I think Microsoft have all the right places, but are completely missing using the tools, so I don't think they collect it very well compare to Google that is the master, and Facebook that is second on it

2. Not sure what AKA is :(
5. Not sure what that means, so il just step away like I did not see this line XD
6. Its more then a mile, its a few hundred miles most likely as it will be like making a Virtual Machine for Xbox and Xbox 360 on Windows that will also mean that it will draw a lot of power from the PC to even work, and that is without putting in all the mess it may be to make it work at all

Totally get it, well that case stay off it for now, and wait til you will have to upgrade :D:

1. Doubt they needed her, and yeah, i don't really rely on google because of that. ****ing ridiculous that they can get away with this ****.
2. This is sadly one of those things i can't really explain further, so i'll just state that IE doesn't always mean Internet Explorer.
5. As in going from windows 7 to 10, was just amazing at how ****ing horrible it was.
6. It's just sad when emulators have exsisted and they can't just partner up with one of them.

And until they come out with a os that isn't near complete dog****, i ain't "downgrading".

[CZBGR Icepick]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

I may have forgotten to add the part where I say there also "games that are sold on steam"
I am only talking about games that are from Steam because if they're not, then there honestly not relevant here

But do you not get the point? It doesn't matter if you can claim there aren't games that can't somehow run on Steam, because they wouldn't be on Steam in the first place. Add to that, if you cannot run it on Windows 10 anyway, and they were designed for XP, then if they lost support for XP they shouldn't be selling the game since it won't work for both platforms.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

Its half a joke to get the point
there used to be computers that you run on them your programs with cards like this:
https://imagination.oncell.com/en/pages/jacquard-loom-punch-card-8844.html
If you had a game on that, I am saying that its just as much not relevant if it cant run on newer OS's as if we start going outside of what is on the point here (Steam games) we can just about put any game from any era, and then just become silly like the punch card :D:

Well, card readers do exist with some forms of cards, so I can already imagine a card works like that. How do you think Nintendo carts got to end up in an emulator for PC, let alone ported for Android?

Besides that, rigging a newer machine is besides the point. The point is NOT using a newer machine. The older game was designed for older machines (well, newer games too, but mainly that they work for XP). Again, there's no point in selling those games on Steam if you cannot sell to the original machine as long as you stop supporting it. Int he long run, Windows 10 doesn't work, and then further down the road, Windows 10 faces the same issues after Windows XP then Windows 7. We've seen it happen before XP, but it's more apparent now with Steam's popularity and the availability of games as a digital platform.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Black Blade:

I am not interested to do that, seeing that my current game is NMS and the multiplayer there right now is important, and so is the VR games, but that is beside the point as I suggested the offline mode if someone wants to have a client that can only run the games and nothing else

You should be interested in doing that, because that is exactly the kind of problem you will face on your games, if you were running XP. Your multiplayer is so important, a feature that the Steam client was built in, just as much as the Steam cloud, because you need the client running it. The next new game you want that runs on XP cannot be downloaded then without the client or the client in offline mode.

Also, @Baltist, IIRC when installing the Windows 10 OS, you had to agree to their "intelligent" configuration utility thing which integrates Cortana into the system. it's most likely you did sign up for it if you have Cortana. And TBH, I dislike the way Windows 10 looks, but then again, I had the same reaction to windows 7, but it didn't veer off with it's traditional structure and UI as much as since Windows 3.1 was constructed. That saying, Windows 10 very much is trying to copy/modernize with the Windows Mobile look. It's simplistic, sure, but honestly confusing given what you're used to, especially compared to Linux OSs and Mac.

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I don't get your point, can you point me to a game on Steam that cant run on Windows 10?
IF the game is not on Steam it cannot exist as much as this topic is considered as again it will not be affected if Steam stop working on XP
And again il say there yet to be found a game that really really does not work at all on Windows 10 that was made for Windows XP
Some developers may remove there games, that honestly il find really sad if they do, as the game works on Windows 10
And again, can you find me any game out there that really cant work on Windows 10?

About card reader, you not seen the image I guess? Its a punch card, its not a digital card, its a really old system

At this time Windows 10 is not supposed to face the same issue as long as Valve doesn't pick to abonded Windows (as 10 is supposed to be the last version)
And if we get there, I think we may have some bigger issues on running old games then Steam not running the system

to the last part
I all ready said before, that again that part of offline was about someone saying they want a client that only allows you to play the games, nothing more
There the offline mode is perfect

This does not mean its perfect for everything, but it is for that