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In any case ... on a related but different topic, Steam can decide to cut off your access to your library at any time for any reason -- that's part of the terms of service/agreement apologists keep referencing, as well. I haven't bought a game on Steam since 2016 and I don't plan to.
That depends on the game.
I've only had very minor troubles with my old games (on Steam or in my physical collection).
Metal Fatigue, Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2 are the only games i've ever encountered that had trouble running on newer systems.
But then again those games where temperamental on Windows XP as well.
But thanks to resources such as PCGamingWiki and wrapping software (Glide,D3D and DDraw) it's easy to get them running again.
So first part, if we are talking about a game that is not on Steam, its simply not relevant here
I mean AirLand 2.0 for airports don't work on modern OS that dose not mean a site that has nothing to do with it needs to support that old IBM hardware for it
So I don't get why you going on stuff that sound like are not even relevant for here
Same for the 5% ok there 5% worldwide that use Windows XP, but again how is that relevant if for most of them Steam is not something they need or use or pretty much anything
About AV why do you think OS companies keep taking out security patches even if you have an AV on the system?
Like you said its not fixing the holes so the holes remain, and the AV is there to detect a list of stuff, it can miss on many accounts if the virus is made more specific
"That low system requirements means it was built for lower specs" yes but as I said most of them work fine even on later systems
Not all games, and as you said seem like many of this games had a fix or have a fix so they work at least the once on Steam that is all that is relevant here
About 5% already reply to why it been here or not is not relevant as much as Steam not needing to add support to Gameboy because its yet around
Even if users are using it, it does not matter if the market is not from Steam users, its just not relvent
And like I all ready said Legacy code and programs for companies that only work on XP are part of the reason its yet around, but that is not relevant for Steam
"No one cares about visuals"
Again the new UI is not only visual, its a new engine behind it, it has more things and feathers, its not only a new UI its a new Steam Clinet
"Its not going to take much to implant" that is not so clear-cut, and again that means you have to maintain both as long as you at least want to keep download options as if they change something on how it works for whatever reason it may need to change, that means maintaining the old version that will mean work and may even mean a lot of it
And as said AV companies may do it because of commercial companies that have a valid reason to keep using XP but much less for home users
Some are DRM free some are not and that is up to each developer
Can't be false advertising if it works for it ATM... And ATM XP/Vista is still supported for the client dumbass, the support ends on January 2019, but clearly you don't even know that we're still in 2018...
And again it's not Steam job to manage what the devs/pubs set the requirements for their own games on the store pages... If you want to sue, go ahead, I really want to see how far this will go.
Why are other people ignorant and fanboys just because they disagree with you?
It's actually normal practise that a company stops support for unsupported and discontinued operating systems, it's logical even. And it has nothing to do with being pro-customer if it accounts for what, a couple of % of the userbase?
It's also not false advertisement. At the moment, you can use the Steam client on XP/Vista and there are games that you can run on both which are available for purchase. And you get a heads up.
IF after that day they still have games on store that are XP-only, only THEN is it false advertisement.
And you can keep repeating that argument, it doesn't make it true if you say it 1000 times.
There is no must or should from Valve's side. There is only what you want or wish and you can keep trying to sell it as if it's Valve's responsibility, the only one you're fooling is yourself. You want to keep a legacy machine? Fine, but you can't expect companies to keep supporting your wish. And just because some others do, does not mean that Valve should as well.
Don't get me wrong, the dropping of XP-games in general (not just Steam, but also by Microsoft) has hurt me as well. One of my favourite games is Football Manager 2006, which I can't play on my Win10 machine because of Securom in it. But hey, I moved on.
And seeing as all games mentioned so far in these threads *DO* work on modern machines, so could you.
To say that newer systems have backwards capabilities to be no problem for running older games is just simply not true. It's not always effective. The point is, even some of those games had to have fixes, some which probably won't be discovered for another 10 years. Some never at all. The fact Steam comes into it doesn't mean "oh, it's all fixed!". Just because they got it working, doesn't always mean it was because of backwards compatibility. It was because the game was modified from the original.
They either have fixes, or later on, it doesn't work on newer systems. And then their devs may have also complicated it by breaking their games.
You NEED Steam for games that run online-only. You need Steam for games which connect to servers. You need Steam for the cloud save. I literally just listed this in the past post, points you have been ignoring.
Valve's own games like Half Life and Counterstrike were designed and still run on Windows 98. You can still get Steam working on Windows 98 with those games, and you'll need Steam's servers to retrieve games and play multiplayer. Not all games on Steam are standalone, in case you forget.
You're completely missing the point. XP isn't getting any more security patches. AV companies are the ones still catering to the XP community beyond its end-of-life. As long as people are still using it, it's not dead.
An AV program isn't going to miss the same virus it has detected before. OS patches fix the pathways or exploits of its systems or programs. An AV program doesn't need to do that. It just scans your whole system for the viruses themselves, not the vulnerabilities. Vulnerabilities are what OS companies miss, AV companies scan for viruses instead of having to fix the vulnerability. Although that may not repair the damage, as an end user, you're not precluded from fixing that damage anyway.
Again, it's also because they would have made fixes in case it originally doesn't. Why do you keep forgetting that? Just because you can play it now doesn't mean it's the original copy or because your system handled it. Just saying that your system has backwards capability is not primarily why your games work on later systems now.
I have no idea what your point is here, likely because you don't understand how this works.
Thats not a UI issue, that is a functionality issue. UI visuals can change, but that doesn't mean the system itself is going to be different. Microsoft Office 97 is not that much different than Office 2003. The latter upgrades some featites, but they're the same features nonetheless. No one cares about the visuals. If I had Steam v1.0.0 on Windows 98, for example, it should perform the basic functions of Steam as it was, as well as having the same basic functions that the new Steam should already have. So, I could go without Big Picture Mode, for example. I only need server and cloud connection, as well as download games and access my library from the same store. Its like using a different browser, but all the same functions are there. That's what having a legacy client does.
You don't need to maintain both.
They're available for both home and work. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Yes, but this is Steam we're talking about. FRM is also part of the reason you may also need Steam running. If they were DRM free, we wouldn't be talkong about this.
As long as we talking about minmal reqriment for games not the Clinet (test/data)
If a games say minmal or reqriers XP and Steam dont run on XP its not false advertising
The game indeed may need XP and cant run without Steam
But the minmal reqriment for a game is for the game not for the clinet
And going of line for around a day to be with the family and by the next time this likely completely move
So just some pointers that may help to exspline my point I think we may be missing each outher here
First of all yes there is background comptibilty
That dose not mean a 100% all old works
Something created optimized completely will likely not work on later systems and may get errors I dont disagree on that
But... if things from Steam do work then outher software not working is not relevnt
Like the air control systems are not relevnt here
An AV is not going to do its its not its perpose but that leave a seruise opening behind that an anti virus may not help with and again is a big hole behind that never going to be fixed
There avabile both right but many of them are not on Steam so there not relevnt and the reason it even get to 5% may not be relevnt to Steam if many of them are comirsial
The funcsions are the same ok? But what makes this function happen will not be the same when the new UI come in
Its not related to visuals
Once you have AVs, you have a peace of mind that you have actual security for as long as that is supported and maintained. It doesn't matter whether you have holes open or not. Although plugging holes helps and minimizes threats accessing your system, you still need to address those threats when and if they do raid your system. So, it does help. You can't just have a computer and not have AVs protecting you. OS patches are irrelevant.
No, it doesn't matter to Valve if those systems are for commercial use. But wouldn't this also include prospective developers as well? When Valve drops continued XP support without a legacy system to leave to XP users, they're losing about 200k players. There are thousands of titles which allow you to run it on XP, and they may actually run on Windows 98 too. But it makes less sense to force players to upgrade or use different OSs when it should be working on legacy systems as the requirements state just because the newer Steam no longer supports legacy systems.
UI refers to the interface. Graphical UI (GUI) isn't important. UI referring to the functions or features the client supports should continue to match what legacy clients use. Just like there's not much difference between Microsoft Office 97 and Office 2003. The only difference is that the files you create from a legacy system can be used on the newer system with backwards capabilities, unless (in some cases) it's not exactly possible without some sort of conversion. A legacy system could read the content, if the newer system may convert or produce an alternate to be read by the legacy system.
As I also have experience with web development, I also have to contend with streamlining design to be compatible with multiple systems and have the tools to test them all. I'm aware of what certain programs are and are not capable of. If you make it universal, it doesn't matter if it looks different system to system. They all have equal access. That's primarily the point of making sure the legacy system can perform the basic functions that Valve offers in Steam. Valve hasn't converted the client to be Big Picture. Instead, it's more like 2 clients working alongside as 1 and the same. The original client is all the same, and since Big Picture doesn't function on XP and isn't needed, the legacy client would look a lot like what the classic client has now.
oh ffs
almost every of those old games have patch to make it run on modern systems
you had 10+ years to upgrade, stop being so damn overly dramatic, jesus almighty
please look up what the word thieves means, as it doesnt mean your imaginary just decided definition of it
ultimately if you dont agree with Valves decision: good for you, you can go elswhere. Once again Valve had zero obligation to support xp for as long as they did, just so you know.
XP is still supported, Therefore there is no false advertising. That's a fact. It is also a fact xp users are being warned what is going to happen in a certain number of days.
Keep screaming "false advertising" it makes you look foolish.
that isn't Valve taking the games or your account away from you, thats you being unwilling to spend 5 minutes configuring a game
actually, its not hard at all.. I got Outlaws to work by remapping the audio and texture directories, might and magic 5-8 run natively, Diablo 1 functions fine.. Original Warcraft works fine as well
and those are just the ones I currently have shortcuts on my Desktop for.. I have a pile of 90s PC games next to me, and I can configure any of them to work without issue