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ndeesha 23 ABR 2022 a las 5:43 p. m.
Hello scammers from steam
Hey guys! Hope you are all fine. Today I got scammed for the first time(not in life) by some “hackers”. Its hard to admit it but u feel like a dumb and then comes the hope that steam support will deal with it and just return your items which you bought it from persons or by gambling cases. Maybe this will hurt some people but after living in this community for a short time(1 year) it looks to me like the movie goodfellas but “the wise guys” are not scammers who send you idiot links(in my case) but steam company. How it is possible that all the money you guys earn from this community of gamers from all gamers and you only worry about how to earn more and more by stupid thing that doesn’t make sense in the world of gamers. I bought cs:go prime because I don’t want to play against cheaters and idiot people but that’s a big fat lie. I play with all kind of cheaters, scammers, hackers and toxic people who makes you feel the opposite thing that the game should do. Where did my money go? I send my friend gift trade items and it got cancelled by “him”(which is not true). It happened before 6 hours and I don’t know if they will see my report so I was fed up and post it here just to let you guys know the logic that who the real scammers are. In my opinion You should delete steam and not recommend to no one because it’s a waste of time.
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SLG 24 ABR 2022 a las 12:28 a. m. 
Question: Right before this happened was you or your friend on another site?
Lithurge 24 ABR 2022 a las 12:36 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por SLGray:
Question: Right before this happened was you or your friend on another site?
I'm going with yes.

Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
I have 2 factor authentication and he sent me the link on steam chat.
ndeesha 24 ABR 2022 a las 12:39 a. m. 
Don’t blame Valve don’t say that about valve and its your fault. Thats how far your thinking can go? If you stand with a scam you are a scammer too. So don’t try to convince me that the guy who scammed me can’t be found! Steam or valve don’t give a ♥♥♥♥.
Supafly 24 ABR 2022 a las 12:43 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
I suppose that all this talking it is not from people who tries to understand what I am trying to say but from ones that are scammers and I bet that you guys scam people too that’s why you on the steam side. Pathetic!
I have 2 factor authentication and he sent me the link on steam chat.

Maybe if you broke the text into a paragraph or two it'd be clearer.....perhaps.

Hijacked not hacked. Hacking requires exploiting weakness in code. That doesn't happen on Steam. Hijacking is the issue and that's when users try logging on using a phishing website that steals their credentials.

All trades are final. You are supposed to check BEFORE you confirm. You confirmed it. Trade complete. Doesn't matter if your account may have been hijacked or not. You CONFIRMED the trade/s.

Easy to fake a hijacking

1. Mask IP
2. do stuff out of character
3. Unmask IP
4. Claim account was hijacked (not hacked.)
5. Then claim the trade occurred while account was compromised using IP as proof
6. Have Valve reverse the duplicate items

Users would buy expensive items repeat steps 1 - 6 trading items to a friend/alt account then get the skin back. Get money from it being sold on the other account and still have the skin.

All trades are final.


Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
Hbut “the wise guys” are not scammers who send you idiot links(in my case)
But they were. they were wise enough to send YOU and others idiot links because you and others can't look after you accounts and they no it. Steam provides you the tools to keep your account secure. Steams not at fault when you trust random links and give phishing sites your login information.

♥♥♥♥♥ whine cry all you want. It doesn't change the fact YOU ignored basic internet safety. Safety that is as old as the internet. Don't trust random links. Even if you get links from friends, family co workers you should ALWAYS check them BEFORE entering any confidential information.

This is the common PEBKAC situation. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pebkc

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Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
I have 2 factor authentication and he sent me the link on steam chat.

2FA protects you when you login on something safe. It's nothing more than and extra key. If you give the key away to strangers it's can't protect you.

Consider giving you house keys to a stranger. That stranger then has access to your house. Whose to blame when they steal stuff? The house? No you and the stranger are. And FYI your home insurance would not compensate you because you'd have voided the policy by NOT keeping your home secure.

Another example of ignorance about how security features actually work to protect you.
Última edición por Supafly; 24 ABR 2022 a las 12:48 a. m.
ndeesha 24 ABR 2022 a las 1:01 a. m. 
I will not open links anymore…never! I am very mad to be honest and I can’t think straight how beings like you keep sucking my D. Try to read again this one I will do it for you the son of steams and valves. I have maximum steam security I did the trade on steam and these guys who do this are 10 years steam community contributor and global elite! What in the hell?! Go get a life people don’t try to convince me that you can steal items from a person who has proofs very accessible from steam and you can’t return them.
Supafly 24 ABR 2022 a las 1:25 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
I will not open links anymore…never! I am very mad to be honest and I can’t think straight how beings like you keep sucking my D. Try to read again this one I will do it for you the son of steams and valves. I have maximum steam security I did the trade on steam and these guys who do this are 10 years steam community contributor and global elite! What in the hell?! Go get a life people don’t try to convince me that you can steal items from a person who has proofs very accessible from steam and you can’t return them.

Because, like you, the owner of those accounts likely used dodgy phishing sites and the hijackers are using other compromised account to scam.

Also consider everyone don't have criminal records BEFORE they've been caught committing a crime. They can however commit crimes and not been caught or for whatever reason chooose to commit a crime, at any age.

Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
Go get a life people don’t try to convince me that you can steal items from a person who has proofs very accessible from steam and you can’t return them.

You have no proofs. As I pointed out it's easy to fake a hijacking. I could

1. Buy some expensive skins
2. Fake a hijacking
3. Trade with someone that pays me outside of Steam
4. Recover account
5. Demand Valve reverse the trade as I was scammed.

If Valve reversed the trade they'd be assisting me in scamming the other user as I already got paid. Don't bother with the but but but you shouldn't be trading outside steam reasoning as you shouldn't be using phishing websites and should be check trades BEFORE you confirm them .

This isn't about defending Valve and Steam. It's about pointing out YOU screwed up and any other company like insurance companies would VOID your policy and NOT compensate you when YOU are at fault.

Accept YOU screwed up
Learn from YOUR mistakes
Learn other companies will NOT compensate for losses when YOU screw up.

Be grateful it happened on Steam and wasn't something like you bank account with life savings in
👓 Death Machine 24 ABR 2022 a las 1:31 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por rawWwRrr:
Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
post it here just to let you guys know the logic that who the real scammers are. In my opinion You should delete steam and not recommend to no one because it’s a waste of time.
Steam didn't scam you.
They did scam for VAC? That is true though
Supafly 24 ABR 2022 a las 1:43 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
Valve and Steam should return me my items I don’t want compensation.


That is EXACTLY what you are wanting. Compensation being your items replaced/returned.

Insurance would NOT compensate you if you GAVE your keys to strangers which is what you did.

Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
Its your right to have your opinion but stop kissing butts you look like a scammer from valve too who attacks someone who tells the truth. You don’t even know the difference between banks and steam. Stop insulting my brain!

Look in the mirror and say that to yourself. You want us to kiss your butt and validate your opinion because you fail to accept responsibility for YOUR actions.

Banks != Steam

I brought up banks as another example. Like I did with the house example. Bank accounts, like Steam account can be compromised the same way., The difference being that if you had done the same thing with your bank account the consequences could have been much worse and a bank would not be responsible for compensating you either.
no154370 24 ABR 2022 a las 2:23 a. m. 
What is a Scam?

A scam is when a player convinces someone to make a deal (trade, gift or market transaction) under false pretenses. Scams usually involve deception in order to convince a player that they are getting a good or fair deal when in fact they are not.

Ensure that you are trading with the correct person

Scammers often try to impersonate friends and trusted traders. Make sure to review the information in the trade offer to ensure you’re trading with the correct person. It is your responsibility to verify who you are trading with.

Steam provides plenty of information within the trade offer, including how long you’ve been friends, Steam level, how old the account is, and what groups they are moderators of.

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all these are from the Steam Support: Recommended Trading Practices from the link i provide below.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/18A5-167F-C27B-64A0

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What is the difference between a scam and a hijack?

A scam is when a user deceives another user into willingly (at the time) completing a trade, market transaction, or sending a gift. After the trade is completed, the person who was scammed either doesn't receive what was promised, or the items involved are not what was agreed upon.

A hijacking is when an account or a computer is taken over by someone else without the account owner's permission. This is often done with malware or a virus. In some cases the hijacker will convince a user to hand over their login information by providing a fake Steam or a third-party trading site. Hijackers most commonly steal accounts to gain items or games, and sometimes commit fraud. Hijackers often use stolen accounts to commit more hijackings. In these cases, we lock the account until the rightful owner contacts us about the hijacking.

Additional information about hijacked accounts can be found in our Reclaiming a Stolen Steam Account article.

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from Steam Scam FAQ (Confidence Scams and Trade Scams) from the link i'm going to provide below

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/70E6-991B-233B-A37B
no154370 24 ABR 2022 a las 2:24 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
I will not get my items back? Why? I have reported this case to steam support and after 20 hours they haven’t reply yet! You are brainwashed. No one can steal money from your bank account and get away with it. Even cryptocurrency which is not tradable can be found. I’m sorry for you and I will ignore you now cause I see well were is this going by explaining to you how things should work and know how the scammers want to work. If not I will pay someone to hack my items back. By the way anyone who can get my items back gets a reward. At least I understood that steam or valve is a big pyramid scheme.

Steam Support does not restore items that have left accounts for any reason, including trades, market transactions, deletions, or gifting.

It is your responsibility to secure your Steam account. To quickly make trades or sales on the Market, your account must be protected by a Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator. This ensures that only you are able to remove items from your account. If you can’t enable an Authenticator, Steam will hold the trade or Market sell listing for a period of 15 days so that you’ll have enough time to discover and cancel pending transactions if your account was compromised.

Steam Support does not restore lost items. Items often exchange hands multiple times before a restoration request and this means they cannot be restored without duplicating them or removing them from another innocent user’s inventory. Duplicating items has a negative impact on everyone who trades or uses the Market by lowering the value of items.

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from Steam Item Restoration Policy from the link i provide below.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/3B6E-B322-2400-8D24
Última edición por no154370; 24 ABR 2022 a las 2:26 a. m.
crunchyfrog 24 ABR 2022 a las 2:39 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
I suppose that all this talking it is not from people who tries to understand what I am trying to say but from ones that are scammers and I bet that you guys scam people too that’s why you on the steam side. Pathetic!
I have 2 factor authentication and he sent me the link on steam chat.
Dion't be ridiculous.

Just because we're advising you you're wrong that does not mean we agree or are anything. That's not how reasoning works.


The fact remains YOUR error here is you either bought from a dodgy source or something along those lines. You are also incorrectly assuming Valve are some kidn of police force. They can only do so much, but they CANNOT wipe your backside for you. YOU have obligations to take your own security into your hands too.

And this is not exclusive to Steam by any means. EVERY SINGLE OTHER service out there - bank accounts and so on CLEARLY say "your account security is your own responsibility".

I'm sorry you aren't aware of this but that doesn't change reality.
Crazy Tiger 24 ABR 2022 a las 2:49 a. m. 
I guess the already linked FAQ regarding scams, a guide made by moderators, linkfilters, banning of accounts involved in scams and the like mean Valve/Steam does nothing. :lunar2019deadpanpig:

Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
I have maximum steam security
The weakest link in every security is the human. Considering that you already admitted that you clicked on a link and thusly logged in on a phishing site, you already showed that.

There is nothing Valve/Steam can do in such things. If people are being insecure, whether knowingly or unknowingly, there is simply no stopping that.

Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
I will not get my items back? Why?
Because of the Steam Item restoration policy: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/3B6E-B322-2400-8D24

Basically Steam used to restore items, people took advantage of that and Valve stopped doing it.
no154370 24 ABR 2022 a las 3:08 a. m. 
You may not reveal, share or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve. You are responsible for the confidentiality of your login and password and for the security of your computer system. Valve is not responsible for the use of your password and Account or for all of the communication and activity on Steam that results from use of your login name and password by you, or by any person to whom you may have intentionally or by negligence disclosed your login and/or password in violation of this confidentiality provision. Unless it results from Valve’s negligence or fault, Valve is not responsible for the use of your Account by a person who fraudulently used your login and password without your permission. If you believe that the confidentiality of your login and/or password may have been compromised, you must notify Valve via the support form (https://support.steampowered.com/newticket.php) without any delay.

and

Any separate charges or obligations you incur in your dealings with these third parties are your responsibility. Valve makes no representations or warranties, either express or implied, regarding any third party site. In particular, Valve makes no representation or warranty that any service or subscription offered via third-party vendors will not change or be suspended or terminated.

from Steam Subscriber Agreement from the link i provide below

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement

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enjoy.
ndeesha 24 ABR 2022 a las 3:22 a. m. 
OK lets make it simple for you.
1- I know the person who stole it from me and reported him in the time it happened. Nothing happened!
2- How it is possible he was with 3 friends global elite? I mean how they stole 3 accounts with such a high rank and steam or valve did nothing about it?!
3- Trade was made on steam and the friend I sent the items sent me proof that his trade was cancelled so it means a third party hacked into steam trading operation and that its their responsibility to secure it.
4- How it is possible that items cannot be tracked? I have the recipe for the product I purchased and the one who scammed me can sell it and earn my money? Or even worse they can duplicate skins or whatever you say?
5- I’m not contacted by steam support yet. Just a bunch of guys replying like a group pro scammers and not how to stop them and act fast toward them.
crunchyfrog 24 ABR 2022 a las 3:26 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ndeesha:
OK lets make it simple for you.
1- I know the person who stole it from me and reported him in the time it happened. Nothing happened!
2- How it is possible he was with 3 friends global elite? I mean how they stole 3 accounts with such a high rank and steam or valve did nothing about it?!
3- Trade was made on steam and the friend I sent the items sent me proof that his trade was cancelled so it means a third party hacked into steam trading operation and that its their responsibility to secure it.
4- How it is possible that items cannot be tracked? I have the recipe for the product I purchased and the one who scammed me can sell it and earn my money? Or even worse they can duplicate skins or whatever you say?
5- I’m not contacted by steam support yet. Just a bunch of guys replying like a group pro scammers and not how to stop them and act fast toward them.
Again whether it can be tracked or not is moot. Account security is ALWAYS the users' responsiblity.

This means YOU are responsbile for your stuff.

As others have already explained to you, Valve used to as a goodwill gesture restore items, but people abused it,. so they do not.

And again, this is no different to ANYWHERE else where you will not get stuff back if you mess up your security. Banks included.

And you demosntrably DID mess up the security. This is how it works. By all means search these forums for the thousands of other posts and see the evidence.
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