Games banned, cause of lootboxes.

[isomorphic_projection]

Question, why is steam in favor of their own wallet. And not of that of others. Why can't certain countries download games, cause of lootboxes. Why does steam go along with this. But keep selling their own games like dota and csgo in these countries. Forbidden is forbidden. No lost ark in Belgium and the Netherlands, also means no dota and csgo, according to the same laws. In my country lootboxes, and the sell of games which have them where forbidden. After a parent, lost their credit card to their kids which bought a csgo skin. Read again, no games with lootboxes from other company's, and developers. Cause a kid bought a csgo skin. Either remove all, games with lootboxes, including dota and csgo cause of the leaky uncontrolled sales. Or no games. In short dota and csgo should regio locked by agreement and law in 17 countries. That includes end of this year, Spain and Ireland. To be rough, can we say goodbye, to 2 steam moderators. Which valve will release for good. Cause of the law. I want LOST ARK.

[Muppet among Puppets]

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

引用自 Muppet among Puppets：

I just read, its the company that says, game is not published in 2 countries.
So steam has nothing to with it.

They agree to it. Point is, by law. They should not have. Our gov has their own casino's. So what's wrong here.

Ask the company that publishes it.

In my opinion f2p games that would get banned for lootboxes, should have a paid version without lootboxes. So parents with kids could buy that version. Problem solved.

[isomorphic_projection]

引用自 Aachen：

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

If i try to download the game, outside of steam. Which is possible. Then is still get the warning, that i can only activate it through steam. Meaning, valve is breaking a EU law, when it comes to monopolizing software ....

Reads more like two private parties having a distribution contract.

I have read them, i'm the type. Which read all 63000 fb eula pages. It has a leak, and wavers bigger then that of a blackhole. It's ok. to sell. They just don't know, how to tax it here.

[Elucidator]

Why are their lootboxes:
Corporate greed, no matter what the cost. aka narcissism.
There are a lot of psychological problems that lead to moral problems involving loot crates and gambling. (its escapism / abusing insecurities of people / other things)

Do you really want to play a game where that is apparently systematically important enough for them to not adjust anything? It likely means it is the publishers main income and changing it may cause a significant drop in income. You'll likely also see a broken internal item market, third party sites selling items, scams, players constantly trying to scam (trade/lie to) eachother, bots, addicts to gambling, etc.

They can just disable selling the lootcrates or items obtained from them to players in your country (and preventing trade) yes, but... development adjustments costs money. (it may also be risky and not stop backlash because people wonder why they can't get specific items for example)
that said: nexon did this in some of their games. Publishers are capable of it if they want to.

Also loot crates are not entirely illegal even in the places you mentioned: only when they meet specific criteria. (namely they're worth euroes. Players can spend euroes to buy loot obtained randomly from another player)

A publisher maybe too lazy to do any in depth research on the law and uses easy mode by banning your country (region restriction).

Anyway, its up to the game publisher where the games are allowed to be sold. Hense it is outside of Valve's influence.

Even if Valve lets you get the game somehow, they can server ban you anyway. Its no use trying to convince the shop when the developer is set on region restricting you.

Also as others mentioned, this is a user forum, not one littered with publishers.

Edit: Note that I have the same issue with 'encountering region locked games'.
If the official route is not an option and you really want to play them anyway, there are 'methods' at least. ...

Maybe you can ask a third party publisher who specializes in MMOs to see if they can acquire rights for a belguim release for example. Maybe it goes somewhere at some point, maybe not. I mean, I have seen this with a few singleplayer games at least. There used to be a popular MMO publisher in europe (from Broccoli japan) around as well, and some others (cyberstep, from what I quickly recall). Sometimes they pass the baton for a specific server.
If you do get a server in your country, expect lowest latency, so it may be beneficial.

You can also uh... >.>;
Well we're going into questionable areas here (legal wise I mean), VPN connect to a server that does accept connections outside of Steam (if possible). (this is usually possible when the server has a third party publisher.) Sometimes you maybe able to play an MMO on the JP server for example.
There may also be uhm... e.e; stuff I can't mention. xd Well, it depends on the game and its... yeah-,

Anyway, other than that you can nag at the official publisher, but as you can expect, they likely won't change their policy. (They're afriad of trouble basically, so they're insecure about it.)

[isomorphic_projection]

引用自 Elucidator：

A publisher maybe too lazy to do any in depth research on the law and uses easy mode by banning your country (region restriction).

I did some research, dota and csgo are either forbidden games in the Netherlands and Belgium. Or all other games are legal.

[Start_Running]

引用自 Elucidator：

Why are their lootboxes:
Corporate greed, no matter what the cost. aka narcissism.

You should look up the word Narcissism. You'll find it does not apply in the context.

引用自 Elucidator：

There are a lot of psychological problems that lead to moral problems involving loot crates and gambling. (its escapism / abusing insecurities of people / other things)

Yup. But that's not exactly the fault of the company now is it? That'd be like blaming the porn industry for sex addiction. Or Pizza Hut for the obeisity epidemic. In the end there is a personal decision. and the person can through effort control if not cure those mental maladies

引用自 Elucidator：

They can just disable selling the lootcrates or items obtained from them to players in your country (and preventing trade) yes, but... development adjustments costs money. (it may also be risky and not stop backlash because people wonder why they can't get specific items for example)
that said: nexon did this in some of their games. Publishers are capable of it if they want to.

It is infact entirely up to the publishers. Valve is not going to alter how an aspect of their monetization works. They will in following local laws remove the game from purchase in that region if the developers do not.

[Start_Running]

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

引用自 Elucidator：

A publisher maybe too lazy to do any in depth research on the law and uses easy mode by banning your country (region restriction).

I did some research, dota and csgo are either forbidden games in the Netherlands and Belgium. Or all other games are legal.

Clearly they are not forbidden as they are opresented in those regions so you need to do more research.

[Muppet among Puppets]

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

引用自 Elucidator：

A publisher maybe too lazy to do any in depth research on the law and uses easy mode by banning your country (region restriction).

I did some research, dota and csgo are either forbidden games in the Netherlands and Belgium. Or all other games are legal.

I am not sure you understand,
lost ark would be not published in your country no matter where. The company decided to go that lane. Money by lootboxes or no game for you.

[Brian9824]

Really simple countries ban games, not valve. Two games with loot boxes can be treated differently based on small details of how the loot boxes work.

Something as simple as showing the odds can make a game legal in a country where it would otherwise be banned.

As usual if you don't like it then complain to your government as they control what is allowed to be sold

[isomorphic_projection]

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

I did some research, dota and csgo are either forbidden games in the Netherlands and Belgium. Or all other games are legal.

Clearly they are not forbidden as they are opresented in those regions so you need to do more research.

I did, these games came out. Before the new law was instigated. The only difference.

[Muppet among Puppets]

引用自 brian9824：

As usual if you don't like it then complain to your government as they control what is allowed to be sold

He does not like lootboxes, he wants the game, so he needs to complain to the company who does not publish the game because its in a lootbox state, that is not allowed in his country.

It is absurd to send him to argue with the government about lootboxes, when he wants to play the game.

[isomorphic_projection]

引用自 brian9824：

Really simple countries ban games, not valve. Two games with loot boxes can be treated differently based on small details of how the loot boxes work.

Something as simple as showing the odds can make a game legal in a country where it would otherwise be banned.

As usual if you don't like it then complain to your government as they control what is allowed to be sold

I know, i give an example. The reason why warthunder blocked marketplace. Cause if they did not, they would need to remove the game in full. Why, the rewards show up in a slot machine pictured way. The only reason. No slot machine to show the rewards and the game would be able to open it's market. That is not the fault of our gov, but in this case the DEV. 3 years on, and still no change.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

Question, why is steam in favor of their own wallet. And not of that of others. Why can't certain countries download games, cause of lootboxes. Why does steam go along with this. But keep selling their own games like dota and csgo in these countries. Forbidden is forbidden. No lost ark in Belgium and the Netherlands, also means no dota and csgo, according to the same laws. In my country lootboxes, and the sell of games which have them where forbidden. After a parent, lost their credit card to their kids which bought a csgo skin. Read again, no games with lootboxes from other company's, and developers. Cause a kid bought a csgo skin. Either remove all, games with lootboxes, including dota and csgo cause of the leaky uncontrolled sales. Or no games. In short dota and csgo should regio locked by agreement and law in 17 countries. That includes end of this year, Spain and Ireland. To be rough, can we say goodbye, to 2 steam moderators. Which valve will release for good. Cause of the law. I want LOST ARK.

Talk to your country. It has nothing to do with Valve.

Also your weak little "threat" would do nothing but give Valve a little chuckle.

[Muppet among Puppets]

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

引用自 Start_Running：

Clearly they are not forbidden as they are opresented in those regions so you need to do more research.

I did, these games came out. Before the new law was instigated. The only difference.

In belgium you can not open lootboxes from csgo.
Thats why you can still play the game.

Lost ark has no interest that you play their game if you dont open their lootboxes, it SEEMS.

[isomorphic_projection]

引用自 Muppet among Puppets：

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

I did, these games came out. Before the new law was instigated. The only difference.

In belgium you can not open lootboxes from csgo.
Thats why you can still play the game.

Lost ark has no interest that you play their game if you dont open their lootboxes, it SEEMS.

What's in lost ark lootboxes can be won through grinding. The reason why they don't care. But a company which follows the law, of a country. Which is literaly a tax avoiding country like the cayman islands once where. Who hold the rights to gambling themself, like holland casino's. Is a company which looses money and follows the law, of a rival.

[Muppet among Puppets]

引用自 isomorphic_projection：

引用自 Muppet among Puppets：

In belgium you can not open lootboxes from csgo.
Thats why you can still play the game.

Lost ark has no interest that you play their game if you dont open their lootboxes, it SEEMS.

What's in lost ark lootboxes can be won through grinding. The reason why they don't care.

If they block case opening in belgium, you would play.
I dont like it as well when companies block access, to not need to adjust a thing.