Is Square Enix leaving steam ?

[Zangato]

Kindgom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin is Epicgames exclusives. Is SE leaving stem quietly o.O ?

[Silverkite]

hope so, last time Squenix made a good game was never.

[Zangato]

Silverkite eredeti hozzászólása:

hope so, last time Squenix made a good game was never.

Kingdom Hearts 3 is amazing from what I heard

[Andrei]

I hope Kingdom Hearts is a 1 year Epic exclusive.

[Silverkite]

Zangato eredeti hozzászólása:

Silverkite eredeti hozzászólása:

hope so, last time Squenix made a good game was never.

Kingdom Hearts 3 is amazing from what I heard

even GT7 is amazing

If you are willing to pay 185$ for some zero and ones cause the CEO thinks grind it's bad and he want those in game cars to have the equivalent real world value

[SGrReD]

They are greedy ass selfish developers, i hope they gonna go down for good.

[my new friend]

Yakohim eredeti hozzászólása:

They are greedy ass selfish developers, i hope they gonna go down for good.

Another company would swoop in before that happens.

[Haruspex]

my new friend eredeti hozzászólása:

Epic is paying good money for SE to do exclusives.

Yes, and those payments won't last forever. Once the anti-Steam bribes from Epic stop, so will the exclusivity.

Zangato eredeti hozzászólása:

So you telling me Epicgames payed SE more them 50 million $ to keep FF7 on Epicstore?
Cuz they could make more by selling it steam.

Without confirming any actual amount of the payments, yes. That's exactly what he's saying.

[Menzagitat]

Zangato eredeti hozzászólása:

my new friend eredeti hozzászólása:

Epic is paying good money for SE to do exclusives.

So you telling me Epicgames payed SE more them 50 million $ to keep FF7 on Epicstore?
Cuz they could make more by selling it steam.

Where do they get the money from?
We will end up working for China.

[ReBoot]

Timed EGS exclusives have been a thing for quite a while now.
Is there anything special about Square's dabbing here, or it it just another case of someone missing news for the last couple months/years?

[crunchyfrog]

There is zero point to leave SLOWLY. Think about it. What would it serve?

The ONLY point to leave a service is for revenue. So why would a slow move be of any use? All they'd need is a dataset to prove their point and instantly move. And they would.

So no, they're just playing all sides to maximize revenue.

[Start_Running]

8bitbeard eredeti hozzászólása:

my new friend eredeti hozzászólása:

Epic is paying good money for SE to do exclusives.

Yes, and those payments won't last forever. Once the anti-Steam bribes from Epic stop, so will the exclusivity.

Zangato eredeti hozzászólása:

So you telling me Epicgames payed SE more them 50 million $ to keep FF7 on Epicstore?
Cuz they could make more by selling it steam.

Without confirming any actual amount of the payments, yes. That's exactly what he's saying.

Pretty much.. COuld they make more money. Yes. But here's the thing people always forget. "Bird in hand worth two in bush" They are getting a bonus payment for keeping their game off a platform in addition to what they sell.

The fact that EGS has to pay for exclusivity rather shows how much that share cut is worth.

[FOXDUDE69]

Zangato eredeti hozzászólása:

Kindgom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin is Epicgames exclusives. Is SE leaving stem quietly o.O ?

It looks to me from these three games that Epic only wants to pay for exclusivity for the surefire hits. I wouldn't be surprised to see the next mainline Final Fantasy be an Epic exclusive while the next Dragon Quest gets sold here.
However, If or when EGS's userbase grows large enough, their better revenue split will mean that it will be the de facto best place for publishers to sell their games and Epic won't have to pay for exclusivity anymore. It will be then that we will see who stays with Steam and who bails. And SE is definitely going to bail unless Gabe matches Epic's revenue split.

[Start_Running]

Foxdude69 eredeti hozzászólása:

Zangato eredeti hozzászólása:

Kindgom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin is Epicgames exclusives. Is SE leaving stem quietly o.O ?

It looks to me from these three games that Epic only wants to pay for exclusivity for the surefire hits. I wouldn't be surprised to see the next mainline Final Fantasy be an Epic exclusive while the next Dragon Quest gets sold here.
However, If or when EGS's userbase grows large enough, their better revenue split will mean that it will be the de facto best place for publishers to sell their games and Epic won't have to pay for exclusivity anymore. It will be then that we will see who stays with Steam and who bails. And SE is definitely going to bail unless Gabe matches Epic's revenue split.

Yeah and that becomes the second issue. The EGS userbase is already pretty large (considering they count all the fortnite players), but I ask you. How do you think that translates tio actual spending customers. The picture is.. not very well.

Most peiople only have an EGS account because of the freebies and will basically bounce once the freebies are gone.

The simple truth is this has nothing to do with revenue split. In never has. Even the devs who complain will basically start bitting their tongues when you ask, why they agree to pay it. It's then that they will often reveal that yes. STeam does provide resources and services to them that are worth in excess of that revenue split.


Services that the EGS is a loooong way from providing.

[Haruspex]

Foxdude69 eredeti hozzászólása:

However, If or when EGS's userbase grows large enough, their better revenue split will mean that it will be the de facto best place for publishers to sell their games and Epic won't have to pay for exclusivity anymore. It will be then that we will see who stays with Steam and who bails. And SE is definitely going to bail unless Gabe matches Epic's revenue split.

First, as Start_Running mentioned, Epic's growing userbase aren't spending money. They're getting free games and/or playing Fortnite.

Second, what is allowing Epic to finance these aggressive tactics of giving away games and buying exclusives? The success of Fortnite, of course.

Epic's whole strategy is riding on the success of a single game, and no game lasts forever. Epic's epic falling out with Apple may have lost them nearly half their entire Fortnite player base, for starters. Fortnite's revenue peaked December of 2018, and has been trending downwards since then.

Don't get me wrong. Fortnite is still wildly successful, but why should Valve match Epic's revenue split when Steam's user base is still growing in spite of these tactics? Why match that split when they can just wait patiently. People will move on from Fortnite, like every game in existence. When Fortnite is no longer raining money on Epic as reliably as it is, Epic won't be able to properly afford to buy exclusives and give away games anymore, and with that goes Epic user's number one reason to be there.

[FOXDUDE69]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

The simple truth is this has nothing to do with revenue split. In never has. Even the devs who complain will basically start bitting their tongues when you ask, why they agree to pay it. It's then that they will often reveal that yes. STeam does provide resources and services to them that are worth in excess of that revenue split.

It's everything to do with the revenue split. That's the whole reason why both EA and Ubisoft created their own stores. The one resource that Steam has that matters to these companies is it's userbase. And that's the only reason EA came back. And that's also why Ubisoft jumped ship to EGS. They see a userbase that's growing on a store that has a far better revenue split and while it can cost them some sales now, it will pay off long term.
30% is a lot of green when you operate at the level that Ubisoft, EA and Square do.

"Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M., get the money
Dollar dollar bill, y'all"
- Wu-Tang Clan