"Clown" profile award? :: Steam Discussions

Spawn of Totoro 2021年1月22日 13時53分

cinedine の投稿を引用：
I have never met anyone associating clowns with happines and joy. They are freaking creepy. Even more so to children. And the 2016 clown spree or Stephen King's It certainly did nothing to help it.
Jokers and jesters, yeah. But ♥♥♥♥ clowns.

I've never been one for horror movies. Most clowns I recall were at the circus and parties. One was a very funny clown that did magic tricks. Many of my friends like horror movies, and still have no issues with clown, nor see them as a negative. I just asked one a few minutes age and they said, "Context is key. A scary clown in a movie is one thing, but no one should take offense to a normal sticker of a happy clown."

It is one of those things that was so popular that people started to dislike it though, just like Disco and many other trends.

FeaR_TH3_Reap3R の投稿を引用：
Because every thread I see about the clown is people saying it's being used as an insult. People who defend Denuvo in certain game used to be insulted saying they were shills, or other things, but now their posts get marked with clowns. People who make unpopular posts in specific games get marked with clowns. Before we got the ability to hide awards, people who didn't like the clown were spammed with it by trolls. So I see plenty of examples every day where it's used as an insult.

I also never said this was the new swastika. I simply showed an example about how people determine the meaning of something.

Still not proof. Sounds more like red car syndrome. "You buy a new red car and then you see red cars everywhere."

You use it in that way, so you notice everyone else using it in that way, but don't notice when people are not using it in that way as it is not what you expect to see (or assume it is what you want it to mean).

I never said you said that. I was simply countering your example as it was not a very good one. It was like comparing the weight of a rock to that of a mountain.

最近の変更はSpawn of Totoroが行いました; 2021年1月22日 13時59分

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Reaper 2021年1月22日 14時03分

Spawn of Totoro の投稿を引用：
FeaR_TH3_Reap3R の投稿を引用：
Because every thread I see about the clown is people saying it's being used as an insult. People who defend Denuvo in certain game used to be insulted saying they were shills, or other things, but now their posts get marked with clowns. People who make unpopular posts in specific games get marked with clowns. Before we got the ability to hide awards, people who didn't like the clown were spammed with it by trolls. So I see plenty of examples every day where it's used as an insult.

I also never said this was the new swastika. I simply showed an example about how people determine the meaning of something.

Still not proof. Sounds more like red car syndrome. "You buy a new red car and then you see red cars everywhere."

You use it in that way, so you notice everyone else using it in that way, but don't notice when people are not using it in that way as it is not what you expect to see.

I never said you said that. I was simply countering your example as it was not a very good one. It was like comparing the weight of a rock to that of a mountain.

I don't use it in any way. I've never given anyone a clown award so saying that I'm seeing what I want to see is wrong. And you missed the entire point of my example. Once again, I'm not directly comparing the clown to a swastika, I'm saying that a symbols meaning is determined by what people want it to be, and the fact posts like this (and several others) exist are showing a growing idea that the clown is an insult.

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T9 2021年1月22日 14時03分

Mods tell us what is good and what is bad. Getting better every day here.

Ofc u can see a clown as mean sarcasm and feel bad about it or u see it as ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Up to the person.

This whole award system feels so immature and half-baked.

#33

( ( < < <🤖> > > ) ) 2021年1月22日 14時11分

wheres my 200 points...

#34

Crazy Tiger 2021年1月22日 14時16分

Spawn of Totoro の投稿を引用：
You use it in that way, so you notice everyone else using it in that way, but don't notice when people are not using it in that way as it is not what you expect to see (or assume it is what you want it to mean).

That doesn't change that "being a clown" gets used in a negative way pretty often. When people get told to "not be such a clown", it's rarely in a positive way. It often gets told to people who joke around and through that annoy other people (like family, coworkers or classmates).

There are both positive and negative associations with "being a clown", sure. But personally I can surely understand why people feel offended by getting the "clown" award when they were being dead serious.

最近の変更はCrazy Tigerが行いました; 2021年1月22日 14時16分

#35

Crashed 2021年1月22日 14時59分

FeaR_TH3_Reap3R の投稿を引用：
Spawn of Totoro の投稿を引用：

Proof? How do you know the majority see it as that? The ones I talk to all say they do not see it that way, therefor it is not, so we have countering views, though I don't assume mine represents the majority.

And yes, it is that easy/simple. This isn't a swastika used for brutality in history, this is a clown where the meaning is still rooted in happiness and enjoyment.

You are free to view it as bad, but that is simply your opinion on the matter.
Because every thread I see about the clown is people saying it's being used as an insult. People who defend Denuvo in certain game used to be insulted saying they were shills, or other things, but now their posts get marked with clowns. People who make unpopular posts in specific games get marked with clowns. Before we got the ability to hide awards, people who didn't like the clown were spammed with it by trolls. So I see plenty of examples every day where it's used as an insult.

I also never said this was the new swastika. I simply showed an example about how people determine the meaning of something.

And those who defend games that happen to have Denuvo because they actually want more console games on Steam get treated as second class citizens. I'd rather have a rare minor annoyance than not have the opportunity to play the latest hits on my PC. If that makes me a "clown" so be it, but remember most nations have laws.

最近の変更はCrashedが行いました; 2021年1月22日 15時13分

#36

Phantom 2021年1月22日 15時07分

It would also be nice if you could choose which 4 awards are displayed on your profile.

This would make people a bit happier, other than resorting to having to hide all of their awards.

Currently, the jester award is stuck in place for me, and there isn't anything i can do except hide all of my awards, which is the only option i have.

t9 の投稿を引用：
This whole award system feels so immature and half-baked.

The only issue people have is that someone else can control what appears on your profile.

Otherwise, there's really no issue with awards, and you can hide them now (which wasn't possible before).

#37

MonkehMaster 2021年1月22日 15時16分

Spawn of Totoro の投稿を引用：
FeaR_TH3_Reap3R の投稿を引用：
It's clearly not that simple. The swastika used to be a Buddhist symbol before the nazis started using it, but good luck convincing anyone today that it has any different meaning. The majority opinion always rules and right now, the majority says the clown is used as an insult.

Proof? How do you know the majority see it as that? The ones I talk to all say they do not see it that way, therefor it is not, so we have countering views, though I don't assume mine represents the majority.

And yes, it is that easy/simple. This isn't a swastika used for brutality in history, this is a clown where the meaning is still rooted in happiness and enjoyment.

You are free to view it as bad, but that is simply your opinion on the matter.

people arent using it for "happiness and enjoyment", they use it to call people clowns when they dont like/agree with your comments, or simply trolling.

#38

Dopey Shepard 2021年1月22日 15時17分

ragefifty50 の投稿を引用：
its a bit sad that a happy clown face can get people down...
its not like its a scarey dump clown face...

misery loves company i guess

The reason I was down is because this jester emote is easily associated with someone who is a jerk, etc. = me. People might not even take my posts seriously were I to have a lot of those emotes and I DO have a lot because certain 1-2 individuals decided to spam give me that thing just because I was disagreeing with their opinion

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Dopey Shepard 2021年1月22日 15時20分

Crazy Tiger の投稿を引用：
Spawn of Totoro の投稿を引用：
You use it in that way, so you notice everyone else using it in that way, but don't notice when people are not using it in that way as it is not what you expect to see (or assume it is what you want it to mean).
That doesn't change that "being a clown" gets used in a negative way pretty often. When people get told to "not be such a clown", it's rarely in a positive way. It often gets told to people who joke around and through that annoy other people (like family, coworkers or classmates).

There are both positive and negative associations with "being a clown", sure. But personally I can surely understand why people feel offended by getting the "clown" award when they were being dead serious.

I don't think being a clown has ever been used in a positive way in the age of internet, and nobody assumes I'm a funny fella who can tell a nice joke, everyone assumes I'm basically an idiot with wrong opinions. You can either hide or show all awards that were given to you, you can't select which ones you would like to be shown and if your vast majority is "clowns" then you got no choice but to disable the feature altogether = thats the problem right there

#40

Phantom 2021年1月22日 15時20分

Dopey Shepard の投稿を引用：
People might not even take my posts seriously were I to have a lot of those emotes and I DO have a lot because certain 1-2 individuals decided to spam give me that thing just because I was disagreeing with their opinion

Awards don't (for the most part) affect how your post/comment will be received by the community.

Anyone can give a jester award, and it really doesn't mean much, because that's just how public forums work.

Someone could go through my entire post-history and give all of my posts jester awards, it wouldn't affect how well what i said will be received by anyone reading it.

In fact, awards will make your post get more attention, because the human eye will immediately look at small PNGs it sees on a page full of text.

最近の変更はPhantomが行いました; 2021年1月22日 15時21分

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Dopey Shepard 2021年1月22日 15時27分

Robin3sk の投稿を引用：
Dopey Shepard の投稿を引用：
People might not even take my posts seriously were I to have a lot of those emotes and I DO have a lot because certain 1-2 individuals decided to spam give me that thing just because I was disagreeing with their opinion

Awards don't (for the most part) affect how your post/comment will be received by the community.

Anyone can give a jester award, and it really doesn't mean much, because that's just how public forums work.

Someone could go through my entire post-history and give all of my posts jester awards, it wouldn't affect how well what i said will be received by anyone reading it.

In fact, awards will make your post get more attention, because the human eye will immediately look at small PNGs it sees on a page full of text.

Sorry, I'm gonna have to disagree (ironic isn't it?), if my human eye sees a user with 69 jesters and like 5-10 "helpful" awards I automatically assume he is a.... clown? Someone who might appear to make serious posts when in reality, all they want to do is to troll, or smth else

I understand that ANYONE can give a jester award but the problem lies in human perception and how one might perceive a certain award to be. That Jester IS an offensive emote by all means, and steam might have handled the selection of awards better without including an actual clown of an award. Respectfully, even without that jester we might end up at another award that will be most likely associated with "clown/jerk/troll/wrongthinker/shill" but still

#42

Phantom 2021年1月22日 15時38分

Dopey Shepard の投稿を引用：
Sorry, I'm gonna have to disagree (ironic isn't it?), if my human eye sees a user with 69 jesters and like 5-10 "helpful" awards I automatically assume he is a.... clown? Someone who might appear to make serious posts when in reality, all they want to do is to troll, or smth else

I understand that ANYONE can give a jester award but the problem lies in human perception and how one might perceive a certain award to be. That Jester IS an offensive emote by all means, and steam might have handled the selection of awards better without including an actual clown of an award. Respectfully, even without that jester we might end up at another award that will be most likely associated with "clown/jerk/troll/wrongthinker/shill" but still

It's just an award, they lose significance when you consider that any type of post can be given any type of award regardless of the content of that post.

If you've used a platform like Reddit, you'd understand, and how many submissions get dog piled by certain awards but that never changed how the post was received.

It's important to bear in mind that people will read your post as it is and then make their judgment.

I don't know where the over dramatization about awards began but suddenly it made people become insecure about how they express themselves. That's your problem, not awards or the clown award specifically.

If you read my post (this current one) as it is, and then see 69x jester awards, i don't think what i said or how it was received will be changed.....................

最近の変更はPhantomが行いました; 2021年1月22日 15時41分

#43

( ( < < <🤖> > > ) ) 2021年1月22日 15時38分

really sad world...

#44

Garou 2021年1月22日 15時39分

If it wasn't 600 points a pop I'd give a "clown" award to certain people every time they post

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