Why do people treat VAC banned players like human garbage?

[Al1X1RO]

Seriously. Id like to know why. Why do people act to us like a garbage? Of course some people with VAC are acting rude, but we are not all the same. Only because of VAC ban people treat us like human garbage and some even block us if we want to add them to a friend list.

I've run into a VAC discussion this morning, you know how it is "i didnt cheat" blah blah so i suggested him that he COULD ask support why but then i went on his profile and i saw that his ban is already like more than a week old so if he was innocent, he would have been unbaned anyway. Later that day a guy that is on steam for 17 years replied and shortly after that i was noticed by Forum guy that the comment i told you about few moments ago was "inappropriate"

When i looked at the guys account he treats people with VAC bans like human garbage, there are more people out there that would back me up on this guy and his aggresion and hell even the Forum dudes are backing him up. I will not mention his name.

This is a normal discussion so please everyone behave. If this thread gets closed then its obvious that the moderators of this forum are backing him up.

So again.. why do u treat us like garbage?

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Inception：

No reason vac on his friend https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/3118150513204975404/

There is never "no reason".

VAC is INCREDIBLY reliable. What they mean is they don't know why they got it. That's the point - VAC time delays bans so you will likely never remember which cheat caused it.

But they most certainly DID do something. Errors have happened in the past and they quickly get fixed, so if it still persists, then you can rest assured they did something.

[Shark]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 Inception：

No reason vac on his friend https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/3118150513204975404/

There is never "no reason".

VAC is INCREDIBLY reliable. What they mean is they don't know why they got it. That's the point - VAC time delays bans so you will likely never remember which cheat caused it.

But they most certainly DID do something. Errors have happened in the past and they quickly get fixed, so if it still persists, then you can rest assured they did something.

Ya he just wants to his friend to be unbanned.

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引用自 Inception：

Ya he just wants to his friend to be unbanned.

His "friend," yeah sure. Not his account, not his problem.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Inception：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

There is never "no reason".

VAC is INCREDIBLY reliable. What they mean is they don't know why they got it. That's the point - VAC time delays bans so you will likely never remember which cheat caused it.

But they most certainly DID do something. Errors have happened in the past and they quickly get fixed, so if it still persists, then you can rest assured they did something.

Ya he just wants to his friend to be unbanned.

Naturally, it's always the way.

And I'm sure his "friend" will be swearing on his mother's life he never cheats and wouldn't know what cheats are.

We've seen it a million times before.

There's only two possible outcomes - if it's an error it gets fixed pretty quickly anyway. If it ain't an error, they're stuck and bang to rights and will have to live with it.

[endrsgm]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 Inception：

No reason vac on his friend https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/3118150513204975404/

There is never "no reason".

VAC is INCREDIBLY reliable. What they mean is they don't know why they got it. That's the point - VAC time delays bans so you will likely never remember which cheat caused it.

But they most certainly DID do something. Errors have happened in the past and they quickly get fixed, so if it still persists, then you can rest assured they did something.

go on and PROVE any of that.

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引用自 endrsgm：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

There is never "no reason".

VAC is INCREDIBLY reliable. What they mean is they don't know why they got it. That's the point - VAC time delays bans so you will likely never remember which cheat caused it.

But they most certainly DID do something. Errors have happened in the past and they quickly get fixed, so if it still persists, then you can rest assured they did something.

go on and PROVE any of that.

There is just NO need to though. Here's the thing: If you don't cheat, you don't get VAC. If you do cheat, you eventually get VAC. It's just that easy. There's no need to prove what someone else did or didn't do because thats VACs job, not ours.

[endrsgm]

i don't have a vac ban and never have but I don't believe the detection is near infallible.i don't believe it catches all cheaters, nor do I believe everyone caught is a cheater, I also don't believe it always finds the falsely accused and let's them off after a false accusation.

and you can't prove it does or doesn't do ANY of that. its a blind faith statement of belief.

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引用自 endrsgm：

i don't have a vac ban and never have but I don't believe the detection is near infallible.i don't believe it catches all cheaters, nor do I believe everyone caught is a cheater, I also don't believe it always finds the falsely accused and let's them off after a false accusation.

Well yeah sure all that is true, but it is the games best system to catch cheaters. People don't get VAC for no reason and like I said, if you don't cheat and secure your account then you have no need to fear the VAC.

People with VAC always have a reason and I personally believe most of them deserve it and their complaints about it mean nothing to me (because I'm not a cheater and have no worry about VAC).

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 C O R N：

引用自 endrsgm：

go on and PROVE any of that.

There is just NO need to though. Here's the thing: If you don't cheat, you don't get VAC. If you do cheat, you eventually get VAC. It's just that easy. There's no need to prove what someone else did or didn't do because thats VACs job, not ours.

Actually I can prove it easily.

These very forums and their history.

There have been demonstrable cases where mistakes happened and they were quickly recitified. Off the top of my head there were two incidients that I seem to remember where mistakes were made. One was to do with Call of Duty iirc.

But here's the thing - if it were NOT as realiable as all that we would be inundated with genuine claimants ALL OVER these forums, and we just do not see that.

Ergo, it can ONLY be as realiable as I stated.

You made a good point about if it were not reliable it simply wouldn't be used by others and that's VERY true.

WE as users muight only get limited data about how well VAC works or indeed how it works, and rightly so, but you can't fleece deves and publishers so easily. If they had instances of people getting unfairly banned, again we would hear about it as it would not only be on these fora but front page news on gaming press.

[Zekiran]

caveat Crunchy:

vac bans issued in error are not on accounts any longer because they are automatically removed.

the "stain" of a vac ban does not remain on those accounts.

Accounts are banned, not people - but the only reason an account ever gets banned is because a cheat was in play. Whether it was the owner of the account cheating, or someone else using it, or the rarer but present 'shared my phone number' with a cheater.

That is it. That's the sum total of 'why a vac shows up'. The incidence of those remarkably rare occasions of accidental vac is such a tiny portion of a percent of those accounts accurately banned, as to be meaningless to the overall numbers.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Zekiran：

caveat Crunchy:

vac bans issued in error are not on accounts any longer because they are automatically removed.

the "stain" of a vac ban does not remain on those accounts.

Accounts are banned, not people - but the only reason an account ever gets banned is because a cheat was in play. Whether it was the owner of the account cheating, or someone else using it, or the rarer but present 'shared my phone number' with a cheater.

That is it. That's the sum total of 'why a vac shows up'. The incidence of those remarkably rare occasions of accidental vac is such a tiny portion of a percent of those accounts accurately banned, as to be meaningless to the overall numbers.

Fair point and thanks for clarifying.

[Zekiran]

I mean that said: within the last year there were at least two threads in the vac section that did bear out - the system works, the bans were errors, and those accounts aren't banned now. So it's reassuring to me anyway, that while the system isn't perfect, it certainly works wonders.

>_> that's coming from someone who does point and laugh in the vac section. :)

[endrsgm]

its not a fair point. its based on a belief that everyone with a vac is guilty because the vac says they are guilty and everyone that says they are falsely accused is lying.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Zekiran：

I mean that said: within the last year there were at least two threads in the vac section that did bear out - the system works, the bans were errors, and those accounts aren't banned now. So it's reassuring to me anyway, that while the system isn't perfect, it certainly works wonders.

>_> that's coming from someone who does point and laugh in the vac section. :)

Don't worry I got it.

I was just pointing out that the evidence is indeed right here in front of our faces from both perspectives.

[happy]

Oh, i also just remember
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/938307758566132506/088A8AB32C556485881C913974C5E57023B06999/

I still have this image from when eram was still a Moderator. There was a dude who was posting me in the tf2 forums, linking to my profile saying im cheating in tf2. Because of the ban i had in another game, eram basically said what you see in the image, when i then told him that naming&shaming isnt allowed, and its his job to enforce those rules, he deleted that comment and blocked me, not taking any action against the person talking ♥♥♥♥ about me. When my friend asked about this situation, he deleted the entire conversation on his profile and blocked him aswell. A Day later Sillicon Vampire was kind enough to actually do something unlike like 3 other Moderators, one of them being eram.