Epic exclusive

[RocknRolla]

It seems like steam is slowly turning into a platform that only sells indie or outdated games.
Imo Valve needs to step up their game because this will hurt them on the longterm.
It started with a couple of games, but the list of epic exclusives keeps growing and growing.
I personally refuse to buy games from Epic because I believe that what they are doing is destroying the market. Based on everything steam has to offer to the community , a 33% cut is more than reasonable if you ask me...

What is your opinion?

[Crazy Tiger]

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

Which loads of publishers are that then? And don't count the timed exclusives ones, cause they still are on Steam and only go exclusive for the bag of money.

Making your game a timed exclusive is steering away from steam imo.

So no loads of publishers then.

[Start_Running]

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Really? We must be looking at different parts of Steam then since I see lots of new,, upcoming, high end games coming out on it.


It actually hasn't Most of those exclusives are timed, so after 6-months to a year, they stop being exclusive.

As you can see I said " it's slowly turning into ..." I didn't claim that it was already like that.
Epic exclusive or not , you can't deny that loads of publishers are steering away from steam.

Slowly turning into what? Steam has always had a high number of small, mid tier studios, indie and otherwise. Always. Because in case you didn't notice.

- There aren't that many AAA studios.
- Those studios don't release that many games in a year.

[Bee🐝]

Steam fine. Epic is still lacking quite a bit of "quality of life" things to actually be the "killer app".

Here's just a tiny example: It's really difficult to get quick support for games that are Epic exclusives. You better hope there's an active Reddit sub or the devs have a proper modded forum or there's an active discord otherwise you're kinda screwed in the support department.

Steam games, however, especially new ones, have the benefit of active communities that provide support; you don't have to wait on the dev for troubleshooting advice or workarounds. Heck, it's pretty common for console gamers to look for game advice in the Steam discussion sections. It happened during both the NMS and Cyberpunk dramas - the system just works. Users like the (active) accessibility of certain "functions" Steam provides and that's as important as the games.

Anyway, I'd guess most gamers use a combo of Steam, Epic, GOG, Humble Bundle, Greenman Gaming and whatever is in the Gamestop/Game/Best Buy bargain bin.

[Radene]

Bee eredeti hozzászólása:

Steam fine. Epic is still lacking quite a bit of "quality of life" things to actually be the "killer app".

Here's a conspiracy theory for people:

Epic isn't actually trying to "kill Steam". They are just in for their own slice of the pie. Inconceivable, I know.

[Brian9824]

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

Which loads of publishers are that then? And don't count the timed exclusives ones, cause they still are on Steam and only go exclusive for the bag of money.

Making your game a timed exclusive is steering away from steam imo.

Not really, they are just pocketing money from Epic and then still releasing on Steam. Also many publishers like Uplay, bethesda, etc try to sell on their own store to avoid paying ANYONE a commission.

That isn't anyone steering away from Steam, quite the opposite as is shown by EA RETURNING to steam

[Bee🐝]

Radene eredeti hozzászólása:

Bee eredeti hozzászólása:

Steam fine. Epic is still lacking quite a bit of "quality of life" things to actually be the "killer app".

Here's a conspiracy theory for people:

Epic isn't actually trying to "kill Steam". They are just in for their own slice of the pie. Inconceivable, I know.

I kinda said that...hence the quotes and the last line...

Bee eredeti hozzászólása:

Anyway, I'd guess most gamers use a combo of Steam, Epic, GOG, Humble Bundle, Greenman Gaming and whatever is in the Gamestop/Game/Best Buy bargain bin.

Shocking I know!

[Seraphita]

Radene eredeti hozzászólása:

Bee eredeti hozzászólása:

Steam fine. Epic is still lacking quite a bit of "quality of life" things to actually be the "killer app".

Here's a conspiracy theory for people:

Epic isn't actually trying to "kill Steam". They are just in for their own slice of the pie. Inconceivable, I know.

Using dirty tactics and all that. No wonder Epic is regarded as trash. Look at every other stores going for their own money, they usually not do scummy bs like Epic does. To hell with epic, it is simply not worth trusting them for anything. Even for an exclusive, I won't bend.

[Nx Machina]

@ RocknRoola

The one thing you miss. Exclusives on Epic are released on Steam for half price and have benefited from patching, bug fixes etc.

Why buy now when you can buy later.

[Radene]

Seraphina eredeti hozzászólása:

Radene eredeti hozzászólása:

Here's a conspiracy theory for people:

Epic isn't actually trying to "kill Steam". They are just in for their own slice of the pie. Inconceivable, I know.

Using dirty tactics and all that. No wonder Epic is regarded as trash. Look at every other stores going for their own money, they usually not do scummy bs like Epic does. To hell with epic, it is simply not worth trusting them for anything. Even for an exclusive, I won't bend.

Epic seems to be doing just fine, though. Oh I'm sure it's going to "crash and burn" because of "its unsustainable business model", and that's going to happen "any minute now".

Just like the Rapture is always coming, this time for real.

[Start_Running]

Radene eredeti hozzászólása:

Seraphina eredeti hozzászólása:

Using dirty tactics and all that. No wonder Epic is regarded as trash. Look at every other stores going for their own money, they usually not do scummy bs like Epic does. To hell with epic, it is simply not worth trusting them for anything. Even for an exclusive, I won't bend.

Epic seems to be doing just fine, though. Oh I'm sure it's going to "crash and burn" because of "its unsustainable business model", and that's going to happen "any minute now".

Just like the Rapture is always coming, this time for real.

Well we can see how well it worked when EA tried it. Didn't quite work out did it?
Heck they even did the free game give away thing. But they eventually stopped.

[Radene]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Radene eredeti hozzászólása:

Epic seems to be doing just fine, though. Oh I'm sure it's going to "crash and burn" because of "its unsustainable business model", and that's going to happen "any minute now".

Just like the Rapture is always coming, this time for real.

Well we can see how well it worked when EA tried it. Didn't quite work out did it?
Heck they even did the free game give away thing. But they eventually stopped.

EA doesn't seem to be doing badly, either.

[Brian9824]

Radene eredeti hozzászólása:

Seraphina eredeti hozzászólása:

Using dirty tactics and all that. No wonder Epic is regarded as trash. Look at every other stores going for their own money, they usually not do scummy bs like Epic does. To hell with epic, it is simply not worth trusting them for anything. Even for an exclusive, I won't bend.

Epic seems to be doing just fine, though. Oh I'm sure it's going to "crash and burn" because of "its unsustainable business model", and that's going to happen "any minute now".

Just like the Rapture is always coming, this time for real.

Eh Epic confirmed a while back they were operating at a loss due to having to pay for exclusives. So far their sales numbers haven't really improved so no they really aren't doing good at all with the store.

They have been tapping into Fortnite money to keep the store alive, and Fortnite itself is making them far less money now then it was a year or two ago as well. So I wouldn't consider that doing fine.

The only reason the store isn't out of business is they are keeping it afloat.

[nullable]

RocknRolla eredeti hozzászólása:

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

Which loads of publishers are that then? And don't count the timed exclusives ones, cause they still are on Steam and only go exclusive for the bag of money.

Making your game a timed exclusive is steering away from steam imo.

Heaven forbid the status quo ever change...

Valve has done pretty well for themselves in how the treat publishers. Everyone who's spinning their tires that it's not 2011 anymore needs to relax. There's plenty of games on Steam, and there's plenty of AAA games being released on Steam. Steam will do just fine without a virtual monopoly on releases.

If you need to play a game on Epic that badly, go make an Epic account and buy it. It's not a crime. Pitching a fit that a game isn't on Steam doesn't mean Valve has some sort of problem it needs to address. No matter what Valve does, the industry will still evolve, and publishers will try different things from time to time. Desperately trying to prevent change is futile and counter-productive.

[cinedine]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Radene eredeti hozzászólása:

Epic seems to be doing just fine, though. Oh I'm sure it's going to "crash and burn" because of "its unsustainable business model", and that's going to happen "any minute now".

Just like the Rapture is always coming, this time for real.

Well we can see how well it worked when EA tried it. Didn't quite work out did it?
Heck they even did the free game give away thing. But they eventually stopped.

Except business was soaring for EA. There never was a need to "come back to Steam". Steam simply was an untapped market. And you can't have this is you goal is to make all the moneys.

[Nx Machina]

Epic - Fornite money.

EA -Fifa FUT money.

Remove both and you have a clearer idea of how each are doing.