BigTough 2021 年 3 月 18 日 上午 7:31
Steam vs Other Platform (Promos/Ads)
Just want to say that anytime now, another platform developer- whether it's PC or console is going to make us suddenly realize hard and fast just how sick and tired we actually are of Steam and the lack of giving back to it's community and the absolute refusal to acknowledge the pleas of it's community when it comes to UI, free games, more in-depth updates for existing features that have been untouched for a decade or longer, and giving us more freedom. Of course they aren't obligated to do this, but I'm seeing it happen in small corners here and there out there with other companies and I'm fairly certain a team out there somewhere is going to get the idea from seeing the same promos and ads that I'm seeing.

Steam. Valve. Gaben. You are no longer invincible from competition. DO something innovative that will make this community love you as we once did, or someone else is seriously going to make everyone resent you by streamlining something really really great that they have to offer us all instead. Assume all you want on my intention with this message, it doesn't matter to me tbh, I'm the consumer, I'm always going to be here, just perhaps not here.

I don't know, I just really feel this eventually coming.
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Obsidian 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 9:34 
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Microsoft could also bring their Xbox pass to Steam if they wanted

Yeah, but that doesn't make much financial sense for MS, though, to pay Steam 30% to add its already well established platform that growing by the millions each month (GP is already at 18M+ strong) just for the sake of being on Steam.

If anything, MS would just purchase Steam and be done with it rather than pay Steam for the privilege of its on service.
最后由 Obsidian 编辑于; 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 9:35
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 9:35 
引用自 Obsidian
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Microsoft could also bring their Xbox pass to Steam if they wanted

Yeah, but that doesn't make much financial sense for MS, though, to pay Steam 30% to add its already well established platform that growing by the millions each month (GP is already at 18M+ strong) nust for the sake of being on Steam.

If anything, MS would just purchase Steam and be done with it rather than pay Steam for the privilege of its on service.

EA did it on multiple platforms.

:qr:
crunchyfrog 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 9:38 
引用自 Obsidian
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Microsoft could also bring their Xbox pass to Steam if they wanted

Yeah, but that doesn't make much financial sense for MS, though, to pay Steam 30% to add its already well established platform that growing by the millions each month (GP is already at 18M+ strong) just for the sake of being on Steam.

If anything, MS would just purchase Steam and be done with it rather than pay Steam for the privilege of its on service.


Nah quite the reverse.

While I don't think they'd do this (or yet maybe), they wouldn't need to buy it, in fact that'd be WAY too big an investment for the needs.

Far easier and more prudent to simply pay for the slot as EA did. You don't go around wasting money in business - why would you crack a walnut with a sledgehammer?
Start_Running 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 9:45 
引用自 crunchyfrog
引用自 Obsidian

Yeah, but that doesn't make much financial sense for MS, though, to pay Steam 30% to add its already well established platform that growing by the millions each month (GP is already at 18M+ strong) just for the sake of being on Steam.

If anything, MS would just purchase Steam and be done with it rather than pay Steam for the privilege of its on service.


Nah quite the reverse.

While I don't think they'd do this (or yet maybe), they wouldn't need to buy it, in fact that'd be WAY too big an investment for the needs.

Far easier and more prudent to simply pay for the slot as EA did. You don't go around wasting money in business - why would you crack a walnut with a sledgehammer?


ANd this is one of the things people don't really understand about business. It's not as hollywood or fiction presents it. Its mostly based around boring, predictable, pragmatism.

And the reason why trade and commerce general work and have worked for thouusands of years is the simple truth that cooperation is oft-times cheaper than conflict. Cooperation aso leads to beneficial entanglement wherein your interests become so entwined that you can count on the other party look out for your best interests because it is in their bestt interest.
Obsidian 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 9:49 
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
引用自 Obsidian

Yeah, but that doesn't make much financial sense for MS, though, to pay Steam 30% to add its already well established platform that growing by the millions each month (GP is already at 18M+ strong) nust for the sake of being on Steam.

If anything, MS would just purchase Steam and be done with it rather than pay Steam for the privilege of its on service.

EA did it on multiple platforms.

:qr:
EA is not trying to crush its rival either or have the money to do so.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 9:51 
引用自 Obsidian
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce

EA did it on multiple platforms.

:qr:
EA is not trying to crush its rival either or have the money to do so.

MS isnt trying to crush anything either.

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crunchyfrog 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 9:53 
引用自 Obsidian
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce

EA did it on multiple platforms.

:qr:
EA is not trying to crush its rival either or have the money to do so.

No business ever really tries to crush it's rival. If they do, then that kind of psycopathic behaviour doesn't last and usually tokens it's demise.

It seems to be an all too common and silly idea that businesses do this - it's an all or onothing mentality that just does not exist.
Start_Running 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 9:59 
引用自 crunchyfrog
引用自 Obsidian
EA is not trying to crush its rival either or have the money to do so.

No business ever really tries to crush it's rival. If they do, then that kind of psycopathic behaviour doesn't last and usually tokens it's demise.

It seems to be an all too common and silly idea that businesses do this - it's an all or onothing mentality that just does not exist.
Crushing is a valid strategy at the small scale. Esepcially when you're competing for a share of an already small niche.. But video games are no longer a small niche so crushing is no longer the focus for the larger players.

Or to put it another way. Pragmatism.

You can spend thousands to attract new customer , or spend millions to take your competitor's customers..
crunchyfrog 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 10:01 
引用自 Start_Running
引用自 crunchyfrog

No business ever really tries to crush it's rival. If they do, then that kind of psycopathic behaviour doesn't last and usually tokens it's demise.

It seems to be an all too common and silly idea that businesses do this - it's an all or onothing mentality that just does not exist.
Crushing is a valid strategy at the small scale. Esepcially when you're competing for a share of an already small niche.. But video games are no longer a small niche so crushing is no longer the focus for the larger players.

Or to put it another way. Pragmatism.

You can spend thousands to attract new customer , or spend millions to take your competitor's customers..


You're right I should have elborated on that a bit better (I swear you're my filter a lot of the time ;) )

It's fair to say that on the smaller scale, yeah they will concentrate on crushing one aspect, but absolutely not on the large scale.

Not least of which despite the inevitable costs, large scale things have a nasty habit of not bearing out because the variable become greater or more.
Competizione 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 10:01 
You know, if you hate Steam so much, put your money where your mouth is and delete your account. Then again, where else would you seek attention? Because it's obvious you're not getting any irl.

Grow up
Nx Machina 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 10:02 
引用自 Obsidian
EA is not trying to crush its rival either or have the money to do so.

Valve is not trying to crush rivals when as stated earlier by myself on this thread Gaben welcomes competition.

It is for those others to give users a product and platform which outweighs another with features which are attractive to users. None have succeed in doing so on PC. Only GOG is worthy of consideration.

Origin, Uplay, Battlenet are not good platforms they are merely game launchers.

As for Epic they resort to bribery with free games and then claim their user base is growing when in fact without those free games it would still be in obscurity.
最后由 Nx Machina 编辑于; 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 10:03
crunchyfrog 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 10:05 
引用自 Nx Machina
引用自 Obsidian
EA is not trying to crush its rival either or have the money to do so.

Valve is not trying to crush rivals when as stated earlier by myself on this thread Gaben welcomes competition.

It is for those others to give users a product and platform which outweighs another with features which are attractive to users.None have succeed in doing so on PC. Only GOG is worthy of consideration.

Origin, Uplay, Battlenet are not good platforms they are merely game launchers.

As for Epic they resort to bribery with free games and then claim their user base is growing when in fact without those free games it would still be in obscurity.


I think people seem to misunderstand some very fundamental things.

You're right in that GOG is probably about the best or nearest contender in some ways. At least why EA, Epic and the rest are never going to touch Steam is because of the one thing they're not willing to tackle - consumers' focus.

They're all entirely corporate and greedy. That's not to say Valve aren't - they're still a business. It's just that they don't view EVERYTHING through a purely profitary lens.
Obsidian 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 10:06 
引用自 crunchyfrog
引用自 Obsidian
EA is not trying to crush its rival either or have the money to do so.

No business ever really tries to crush it's rival. If they do, then that kind of psycopathic behaviour doesn't last and usually tokens it's demise.

It seems to be an all too common and silly idea that businesses do this - it's an all or onothing mentality that just does not exist.
Canon printers vs Kodak printers says hello

BlackBerry phones vs iPhones says hello

Sony walkman vs iPod says hello

Sony Vaio vs MacBook Air/Pro says hello

On and on and...
crunchyfrog 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 10:08 
引用自 Obsidian
引用自 crunchyfrog

No business ever really tries to crush it's rival. If they do, then that kind of psycopathic behaviour doesn't last and usually tokens it's demise.

It seems to be an all too common and silly idea that businesses do this - it's an all or onothing mentality that just does not exist.
Canon printers vs Kodak printers says hello

BlackBerry phones vs iPhones says hello

Sony walkman vs iPod says hello

Sony Vaio vs MacBook Air/Pro says hello

On and on and...

Yes and what happened to most of those companies and/or platforms?

Dead - that's the point.
Nx Machina 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 10:15 
引用自 Obsidian

Canon printers vs Kodak printers says hello

BlackBerry phones vs iPhones says hello

Sony walkman vs iPod says hello

Sony Vaio vs MacBook Air/Pro says hello

On and on and...

All those companies failed to innovate nor move with the times hence why those products failed but more importantly why bring physical products into a discussion about digital games when they have no relevance.

Valve's PC rivals need to Google the definition of innovation to compete in a digital space where there is plently of room for the right product to grow, thrive and compete.
最后由 Nx Machina 编辑于; 2021 年 3 月 19 日 上午 11:00
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