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People without complaints don't usually go to express their lack of complaints in the same volume than people with complaints do.
I worked for a time at a big brand tech service and at first it gave me the impression it was a terrible brand as everything I saw every day was broken products. It took me a moment to realise people who didn't have issues with the products would never cross the door of the tech service, they'll be at their home enjoying the products.
Consider consoles are a closed market. Out of retailers and the official store developers can't really go elsewhere to spice their sales. Any sale they want to make has to be through those channels.
And retail discounts don't really count as those are not in control of the developer and obey different business rules.
Steam works in an open market. Devs can (now, it didn't use to be that way in its beginnings) go multiple venues to selll their games, which allow them to not be so agressive with discounts in order to get discoverability.
Steam has LOTS of things they could improve upon. It's the fact the complaint from OP comes as nebulous (besides the 'free games' which is the only point he decided to name and highlight) what makes it come off as more of a rant.
OP reads like a patient telling the doctor he 'has a pain, somewhere, sometimes'
Yup, I agree here. There certainly is room for REALISTIC improvement, while I also agree that the OP is basically ranting.
On the other hand, that serves as a fantastic example of how camp thinking/tribalism is toxic. In this particular case, there would be "Steam suxxx0rz" and the "Steam's perfect" camps, both of which are wrong by the merit of wearing extremist blinds.
I gotta admit, I have my trouble telling tribalism apart from substantial arguments, when someone clearly falls into tribalism, but buries one or two good points beneath piles of tribal crap. In such cases, I tend to miss those arguments because I stop digging through the crap halfway.
To my credit, I see that area of improvment instead of falling into camps (i.e. "I'm perfect->everyone disagreeing can ♥♥♥♥ off") myself.
There's always going to be couple people getting upset, and mad over the silliest things, when comes to "Oh because X giving me free stuff I demand everyone else to give me free stuff now, I demanding it as a right, blah, blah, blah." Bud, no one need to cater you at all, the world doesn't revolves around you, or anyone specifically, never have, never will, just as you said they're not obligated to giving you free stuff, that's their choice, not everyone else, if Origin, battle.net, or etc doesnt want to give you free stuff, does that make them bad? NO! If Gog doesn't want to give you free stuff, that also doesn't make them bad, like geez, no one has to cater to people, all these stores are a corporation, none of them are your friend, their goal is to get you to spend money on them, may it be Epic, GoG, Steam, or etc, doesn't matter, people use the store they want, because that what they want to use.
No one obligated to give back anything, console didn't really give anything back really, rather take things away in some cases.
Steam have been giving back to community many ways, support to mass linux community which you clearly ignored for whatever reason which they mostly praise Steam because it's literally the ONLY CLIENT that willing to make large effort for the Linux community at all. We have controller support built into the client FYI it goes beyond than just Xinput support, which IDK why GoG still never done controller support at the very least xinput for their client 2.0 as people been asking for it, yet haven't, none of the other clients have it either, a 3rd party library manager has controller xinput support "Playnite", while using Steam client it's not needing an extra software to go out of your way to download, and install just to use a controller, you can just use out of the box that simple, we have forums, workshop, a never ending upload space of screenshots, and artwork uploads hosting service; which btw whom else does this? No one, they just allow screenshots on local system, nothing else really, which Steam give you local, and free online storage for those things, we got better search features on both the store, and library, we can organize the library better in the new library we had almost 2 years than the old one, GoG client 2.0 is also very good, but Playnite goes even further, and basically the best one really if want the best game librrary manager. Steam allow people to communicate, and forum their own groups, sub forum groups, hold events, and so much more for the community, which FYI no one else doing this really. There's a lot more under the hood, you just ignoring, as you're only covering your eye, putting in your ear plugs with the way your OP is displaying to everyone.
Epic isn't better than GoG, nor Steam, or anyone, the same vice versa, this is just people personal opinion what they think is better, not is better, if you only want the core basic ass things, they all match, and none of them win, but if you wanted the most features, and community support, Steam literally the leading game store for that, literally if you take your blind cover off, and take your ear plugs out you see for yourself over the history of Steam.
Never has been, there no reason to do what other stores does, same with others, none of them need to copy the others to meet anyone standards what they think is "competition".
Like I seen people get mad because Epic cancel a game giveaway, think for a moment, does that sound silly? People getting mad not getting something they were never been promised, nor were they obligated to giving you as it's their choice. So like I'm saying people get mad over the silliest things for no reason, and need to step back, and reevaluate what they're ranting about, and look what others are doing in comparison, which by far, none of the stores are anywhere near Steam level of features, and community support if you stop to think about it.
Steam doesn't set the prices, that's a fact. If you want to go full dumb. Look at Epic games, Kindgom hearts that you get get whole collection on sale for $30, or $100 full price tag on PS4, compare that to Epic store PC version that asking for $300... THREE HUNDRED DOLLAR, 3x the price.... WHY! Then we got Ubisoft throwing a small hypocritical temper tantrum, where they're happy to pay 30%, or more on console, but when come to PC it's a problem, and still charging you same price, as well trying to stuff their games with microtransactions, and cut DLC from release. Yea that some grade A logic alright. We got Take-Two that trying to convince people we need to pay more for the games... Let that sit for a moment, higher ups in the company asking for more pay every so often, pocketing money they made from sales, and yet we need to pay them more... Yea that some grade A logic alright, they haven't been giving a legit reason to be doing so, they just want you to pay more. So yes your whole rant got thrown out the window....
Any yet Steam never set the game prices on behalf of anyone.
Any games, that offer trading, or marketplace, is in the same boat what you're proclaiming right now. Including the fact there account selling, account trading which is agasint ToS, yet people do it anyways.
The market place is not something anyone expect, but game Devs do get money from the marketplace for items sold, that something you forgot that was one of the ideas behind it in the 1st place.
Heck we have games compaines that been doing Microtranscations in-game, lootboxes, and etc... Ubisoft, Steam, EA, Epic, and etc, all them do not have clean hands from this.
Yea same with Epic fanboys, GoG fanboys, Sony fanboys, blah, blah, blah. Sorry but there's going to be fanboys no matter what store/platform wanting their "insert store/platform" to be top for whatever various reasons.
Some people are a joke that does act entitle, "I won't buy from X, Y, Z unless it give me free games" which dumb as they just want free things really nothing else.
Doesn't benfits the consumers really especially when it comes to publishers where most of the money actually goes, that only fatten higher ups, and ceo pockets, but hey if that what you want to support more, by all means support bad practices that been on the console for years, that coming to PC.
Free giveaways happens across any store on PC really, but if gonna say because they all suck because not good as what YOU think, because its on "insert store name" then that just you holding a bias against "insert store name" for no vaild reason. Free giveaway happens on Steam, GoG, and Epic, and yet we got people getting mad because giveaway happen on Steam, or GoG, or Epic, instead of X Y Z.
Also trading cards, emotes, and etc are just things any of them can do, as well it's their choice, and seem like it bothers you a lot if a "service / platform" that just gives extra goodies that are not games bothers you a lot, as if you're expecting free stuff that should meet your standard, yet you forget they don't need to meet your standards, nor have to give you what you want, they just do what they want on their on service. If GoG does what Steam does for their client for emotes, stickers, then what? Either way they don't have to give you games if they don't want to, it's not an obligation.
But at one point steam became like all the others. With the halloween library update.
I could fix it to a degree with a skin, thanks to some people in the forum (one of the things that steam has).
Also they nearly ruined the chat at one point. But i think they learnt that settings are required. Same for the blinky energy waste avatar things. You can disable them.
Steam feels to me as if at every other day, they could take the wrong turn. They did it several times already.
And they did it to become like the others. Its a bad advice. Its like an antivirus product that wants to be everything everyone else does, in one thing.
Its fine, but let us disable the bloat. Or its annoyingly bad.
Mine's a joke... but... i still see this as the only one properly finished platform.
I don't care about free games, i have a job.
Strawmanning anyone who disagrees with a particular request for change as being in the fake '"Steam's perfect" camp' is a good example of toxicity.
Well, this thread has gone from 'the OP is too vague and seems entitled' to 'everyone who posts a lot is automatically toxic'. I'm done watching it, and hopefully I have the sense not to return to these general forums at all.
"If you don't agree with me (us), we'll make this topic toxic" or "gang up on you with our friends and report a fascism report on you" etc.?!
I mean, whatever happened to *respectfully to disagree* and look away and/or ignore?
Entitlement at its finest, right?!
But anyways, people are free to share their opinions, and give constructive criticism, or etc... If you hate seeing people posting their thoughts, then maybe stay off the internet, best to stay in a safe place bubble, just my two cents.
Internet always been chaos, you see people being respectful, or not, and sometimes when the same respectful people give their constructive criticism to people they disagree, even if the people they disagree with were clearly in the wrong, those that they disagree with will just either ignore the open constructive criticism, ignore logic, or even flat out ignore facts, and answers.
Entitlement is a plague of human race, where people will act entitlemant to things they were never entitle to in the 1st place, demanding free things that was not a right to begin wtih, nor was to be a right. There people that expecting Epic to keep giving free games forever as a right, yet they don't understand it's just away to get people to use their store, they stop giving free stuff at some point, and when see it happen, going to see people complain about it, just like how people are trying to demand Steam need to give them free stuff, so yea what a joke. Steam, GoG, Origin, or etc don't need to do anything what Epic does, as it's not obligation to begin with.
Yea, I kind of figure, which few people are just going to try to piggy back of this discussion to try to flame, or push some kind of agenda.
I've gone months without checking Epic Games for free games, I just forget sometimes. People do that. I'm not looking for free games just for the hell of it. I'm willing to contribute here. I'm just saying that Steam could even use multiple subscription services for genres, publishers, and classics like Ubi+, gamepass or Access but in it's on way, which kind of currently suck(gamepass actually looks promising), unless you haven't played any Ubi Games in which case then that sub could actually be good for you. It could also do something like PSnow where we play classics any time we want on a sub. I think steam has the potential to crush all these services with a few good service offers of their own, and I would definitely pay for it, which is why I'm saying I probably won't if someone else does it first. Yes, steam does have more features than any other PC platform atm, but I don't care, the ones I do care about are terrible, sometimes annoying and never receive any attention in updates(don't get me started on the web browser).
They could have a PS+, not for online play obviously but for a taste of 1-2 free games a month whether it's permanent, or only while the sub is active, or on a time based event. I get that would suck for some people under certain circumstances at times, but lets face it, these things already exist, they aren't leaving, in fact, they're evolving. I'll still be buying games, so will everyone else. Owning the game is always more preferable BUT the competitition does has some pretty enticing services for how we game moving on. Hate it or love it, these are successful and proven on many levels, not all, but many.
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriptions/ea
Played the new Starwars Jedi game, had quite bit of fun, and kind of pleased only having to spend nothing really, and enjoy a good game. But the game engine rendering need work that my only issue I have with it.
It's up to other games publishers to bring their service to Steam if they want, Ubisoft can do this, but it's their choice for now you can only get Uplay+ on their Uplay client.
Microsoft could also bring their Xbox pass to Steam if they wanted, but it's only on their windows store, for PC, as well EA play part of the Xbox pass, which EA has not add their game on the Windows store for Xbox Pass PC side as of yet, only news they said it was coming, and that was months ago.
It was added yesterday to the PC via the Xbox app.
https://www.ea.com/ea-play/news/ea-desktop-open-beta
I use all of them, and regularly bang on about this. Simply because I'm a cheap arse. The more platforms you have, the more of a marketplace you have to shop around. And one thing I do have lots of is time.
So I shop around.
And largely they're all the same. It stands to reason - the IP owners sets the prices. If they set the prices at such a disparity on one platform, then you'd get all sorts of ♥♥♥♥. The other platform holders won't like it and may start giving them less than preferential deals. Even the company themselves will realise that's a dumb idea too as you're perhaps gaining a few more sales at the expense of ALL the others.
So yeah, it just doesn't work like that.
I've already played a few.