Zangato Nov 9, 2020 @ 10:29pm
Ram question ?
If you have 16gb ram and windows with steam on using 5gb then you have 11gb left for games and more and more games requires 16gm ram. So if some games requires 12gb ram you are screwed basically. So is 32gb ram would be norm as of 2021?
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Zekiran Nov 9, 2020 @ 10:31pm 
I know of no games that REQUIRE 16 gigs of active ram to run. I know of only like 2 or 3 high-end rendering programs that use that much.

Are you sure you're not looking at the SIZE requirements for games, because... most games will absolutely run with 4 to 6 gigs of available ram.
rawWwRrr Nov 9, 2020 @ 10:35pm 
Ram is cached to the page file when not needed. While it does affect performance, it's not exactly a finite bucket.
Edifier Nov 9, 2020 @ 10:49pm 
Originally posted by Zangato:
If you have 16gb ram and windows with steam on using 5gb then you have 11gb left for games and more and more games requires 16gm ram. So if some games requires 12gb ram you are screwed basically. So is 32gb ram would be norm as of 2021?

Can you show a picture of Steam using 5 GB of RAM? It should be around 250 MB to maybe 500 MB at most. Anything higher and something is wrong.
Because that is absolutely ridiculous.

Also currently 16 GB RAM is more than enough for any game on the market.
Crazy Tiger Nov 9, 2020 @ 10:53pm 
The requirements on the store page list how much ram should be installed, not how much ram gets used, OP.

A game listing, for example, 8 gb of ram does not use 8 gb. It means your computer should have 8 gb so you can ensure it works, even with windows and other stuff in the background also using ram.

Also, if windows and steam are using 5 gb, you are also running other stuff. Or a very bloated windows.
Zangato Nov 9, 2020 @ 11:36pm 
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
The requirements on the store page list how much ram should be installed, not how much ram gets used, OP.

A game listing, for example, 8 gb of ram does not use 8 gb. It means your computer should have 8 gb so you can ensure it works, even with windows and other stuff in the background also using ram.

Also, if windows and steam are using 5 gb, you are also running other stuff. Or a very bloated windows.
I meant with steam opened its 5gb ram use, while steam is closed its 4gb ram in use. Also if games is not using more then 8 ram why list recommended 16gb while they could list recommended 12 gb?
Ogami Nov 9, 2020 @ 11:41pm 
They recommend what the WHOLE system should have, you will always have a bunch of background programs running that take RAM.
Also the recommendation is usually with a fair bit of wiggle room.

So, lets say, a game that recommends 8GB in your system may only use 3 GB or so during gameplay by itself with all settings at max but combined with your OS and such it may be 6-7 overall.
Also some RAM is left free so new files can be loaded and switched into the RAM, if the RAM runs completely full your whole system will basically grind to a hold so no game will ever use ALL your RAM if not really needed.
Last edited by Ogami; Nov 9, 2020 @ 11:41pm
crunchyfrog Nov 10, 2020 @ 12:47am 
Yeah, people get WAYY too hung up on specs. 16GB is absolutely not needed for normal usage.

I've got an MSI laptop, bought it this year (altough it's a new old stock year old model). I have about 1100 steam games. I bought an extra 8 GB RAM as I found one going cheap. It made no difference to the games.

I only got it for two reasons - a couple of racing games with Targa Fiorio and other masssive tracks, and my various bits of daft music production.

So, yeah, absolutely no need for it at all.

The only time you will notice that you need it is when you start playing a game and it suffers from hitching every few seconds, say. That's the sort of behaviour that means the system is having to use page file to bung memory contents into.



Anyway, you have to remember that developers and publishers deliberately don't try to push RAM usage or other specs up (unless it's an actual selling point, like graphical fidelity). They commonly develop a game and it then gets trimmed down, so that assets are culled to fit the average or most basic of requirements.

After all, you want you game to be playable by as many people as possible.

So, 8 GB is fine for the time being. But yeah, ALWAYS pay attention to spec requirements. They're there for a reason.

Last edited by crunchyfrog; Nov 10, 2020 @ 12:50am
ReBoot Nov 10, 2020 @ 12:51am 
Originally posted by Zangato:
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
The requirements on the store page list how much ram should be installed, not how much ram gets used, OP.

A game listing, for example, 8 gb of ram does not use 8 gb. It means your computer should have 8 gb so you can ensure it works, even with windows and other stuff in the background also using ram.

Also, if windows and steam are using 5 gb, you are also running other stuff. Or a very bloated windows.
I meant with steam opened its 5gb ram use, while steam is closed its 4gb ram in use. Also if games is not using more then 8 ram why list recommended 16gb while they could list recommended 12 gb?
12GB are hard to get by. 16 GB exist as single sticks or as pairs of 8 GB sticks. But 12 GB RAM? I guess, you could cobble that up with a 8 GB and 4 GB sticks, but that configuration would run counter to the way modern consumer systems manage RAM and hamper the performance.
What's the point in recommending 12 GB if 12 GB requires hoops to jump through and is determental?
Last edited by ReBoot; Nov 10, 2020 @ 12:51am
Start_Running Nov 10, 2020 @ 3:28am 
Originally posted by Zangato:
If you have 16gb ram and windows with steam on using 5gb then you have 11gb left for games and more and more games requires 16gm ram. So if some games requires 12gb ram you are screwed basically. So is 32gb ram would be norm as of 2021?
Thats not how OSes manage ram.
You have two types of syetm memory

Real Ram - Which is the memry on the actual ram chips.
Video Ram - Which is the MEmory on you Video card (if you have one) if you're using integrated this is the same as your Active System Ram.
Paged Memory - Which exist in a file on your PC.


Whenever you alt tab away from an item, Windows will generally shift most of it from Active RAm to paged memory.

In your case what happens is Steam may be using 5 Gigs but in reality its only using maybe half a gig when you its not in foreground on screen.

Also keep in mind that as otehr have said, no game actually needs 166 but many devs place it as an overshoot because they also assume you' have stuff running in the background like AV, variouus windows, etc.

On a sidenote. Steam should NOT be taking up 5 gigs for anyone.
Crazy Tiger Nov 10, 2020 @ 3:45am 
Originally posted by Zangato:
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
The requirements on the store page list how much ram should be installed, not how much ram gets used, OP.

A game listing, for example, 8 gb of ram does not use 8 gb. It means your computer should have 8 gb so you can ensure it works, even with windows and other stuff in the background also using ram.

Also, if windows and steam are using 5 gb, you are also running other stuff. Or a very bloated windows.
I meant with steam opened its 5gb ram use, while steam is closed its 4gb ram in use. Also if games is not using more then 8 ram why list recommended 16gb while they could list recommended 12 gb?
I know what you meant. Personally I consider 4GB a bit much for Windows, so you're also running other stuff (like Anti-Virus and such). 1GB for Steam is rather much, though, mine rarely goes above 500MB and usually is around 300-350 when it's idle.

And again, they list certain amounts to ensure that the game runs. Many games that have 8GB listed (my laptop has 8GB, therefore that amount as example), merely use 1-3GB of active RAM. However, your Windows and other programs (like anti-virus, browsers, GPU config programs, etc) also generally uses around 2-3GB of active RAM. So if you combine those, you have 3-6GB of RAM that's actually actively in use. So a computer that has 8GB of RAM, can run the game without issue regarding RAM and that's why developers then recommend 8GB of RAM in your computer. Would they recommend 4GB, you'd run into issues.

Game developers know that the game is not the only program running, they factor that in when they write the requirements.

Regarding the 12GB, You generally want to use equal RAM sticks, which amounts to 2x8GB = 16GB.
Last edited by Crazy Tiger; Nov 10, 2020 @ 3:47am
Overseer Nov 10, 2020 @ 6:40am 
Not this RAM ♥♥♥♥ again...
Allocated RAM is not used RAM. It's basically a bucket inside a larger bucket, and neither of them have to be full despite of their reported size.
Also default Win10 uses less than 3 GB of RAM and uses memory compression.

Don't ask us if you need more RAM. Check it yourself. If it takes ages to get your desktop back after you exit or Alt-Tab, then you have a case.
crunchyfrog Nov 10, 2020 @ 1:34pm 
Last suggestion I'll offer is in regard to the high memory usage of Steam.

While 5GB is ridiculously high, make sure you're not leaving processes open, as the memory usage will go up if you're chatting with several friends at once, or have browser windows within Steam open.

That's a common mistake.
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