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Part-Time Jesus 2020 年 12 月 22 日 上午 10:17
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Winter Sale is terrible
Very lame excuse for a “sale”

Pretty disappointed right now
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crunchyfrog 2020 年 12 月 30 日 下午 3:05 
引用自 🌈Cloud Boy🌈
I think, Last year Steam gave us $5 coupon because they felt threatened by the Epic stores generous giveaways. Now STEAM knows that EPIC is not a real threat anymore to steam. So they stopped it.
I seriously doubt that.

If you think they would just look at the face value and see this as a threat, then you know nothing of how companies work.

I guarantee you BEFORE Epic announced their intention to have a store, Valve knew about it, and would have already done feasability studies and so on.

In short, they would know long before whether they'd need to change or sweeten deals.
( ( < < <🤖> > > ) ) 2020 年 12 月 30 日 下午 4:03 
引用自 Tito Christmas
引用自 ragefifty50

you go find the evidence... its everywhere....
I've had to go through two pages of inane arguing because you couldn't even bother to provide a single example on a proof that's -as you mention yourself- 'everywhere' and instead you spent a dozen of posts with circular arguing, so lack of time to find those examples wasn't the issue...

Post #348 no need to apologise
crunchyfrog 2020 年 12 月 30 日 下午 4:10 
引用自 ragefifty50
引用自 Tito Christmas
I've had to go through two pages of inane arguing because you couldn't even bother to provide a single example on a proof that's -as you mention yourself- 'everywhere' and instead you spent a dozen of posts with circular arguing, so lack of time to find those examples wasn't the issue...

Post #348 no need to apologise
Post 348:

"I dont know of hundreds.... but out of all the sales i have seen....
this one is terrible from my experience..
the cards are old... you have to wait 2 days for a odd looking bird sticker...
no whacky game for us all to play.... old games with dodgey pricing
in amongst some games with good pricing and other games

not really a sale... more of pot luck keep your wits about you or you might get ripped off sale.."


Pray do explain where in ANY of that is any demonstrable evidence? I see nothing except subjective opinion.
最後修改者:crunchyfrog; 2020 年 12 月 30 日 下午 4:10
Oleg 2020 年 12 月 30 日 下午 6:40 
引用自 markushausner
Well this time Steam Winter Sale is a bit disappointing.
Reasons:
- only one card per day while clicking through the listings
- no mini games
- stickers only one per 2 days
- no rewards while playing your own games (e. g. like in the summer sales 2018)
- no additional badge when solving mini games (like the winter sales before)
- additional badges can only be collected when buying games
very sad because winter sale seemed to be a highlight during the last years.

What do other users think ?
Completely agree wiith this post, most of the poeple in this thread complained about the price level of games, the developper set that price level so there is nothing I can say or complain concerning that part. But I would rather point out the part that steam can influence and that is creating some incentve for buying the games which made it fun in previous years to buy them (same as the summer sale). I miss the steam sales that included some real effort from Valves side. I know that the summer sale 2019 was really criticized, but I really liked it. The thing is rather than trying to fix some stuff in the sales ( that sale was not perfect and had a lot of flaws) and fixing the issues it just ends up with having kind of monotonous sales with just the points in the point shop.
DLM 2020 年 12 月 30 日 下午 7:08 
引用自 CaptainRansom
the worst thing is > that some Dev increase the Price - and then offer a 70 % Sale or something like that ( i say only : look on Call of Duty Games - they want for Games from 2013 > 50-60 $ "normal Price" ) Lol

That's the problem with publishers nowadays. Not even a dozen years ago, a game would see its price drop 1 year or so after its release. Getting AAA titles for $10 or even $5 during a sale wasn't rare.

Today games keep the same price years after their release so while they proudly lure people with a nice 75% discount, it's still $20. $20 for a 5 year old game should be its base tag, not its price during a sale.
Chocola 2020 年 12 月 30 日 下午 7:26 
not much good sale
Vamperict 2020 年 12 月 30 日 下午 7:50 
oh my gosh!! this game is only 45% of!!?!?!??!?! it shouladdd be 9999999999999999999999% off!!!! grrrrr r >:(
Termix 2020 年 12 月 31 日 上午 3:24 
引用自 DLM
That's the problem with publishers nowadays. Not even a dozen years ago, a game would see its price drop 1 year or so after its release. Getting AAA titles for $10 or even $5 during a sale wasn't rare.

Today games keep the same price years after their release so while they proudly lure people with a nice 75% discount, it's still $20. $20 for a 5 year old game should be its base tag, not its price during a sale.

To be honest, you can sell games only once - unless you're a real fan of a product... I bought Beyond on PS3 (Steelbook), PS4 Beyond & Heavy Rain Collection, PC on EGS and now on Steam, but that's another story - so I personally understand that developers don't want to cut the price that much, especially if the game is critically acclaimed and cost millions of dollars to make.

At some point we should accept that some games are really worth 60$ (or 20-40 if they released months/years ago) - it's expensive to produce them and if a game can't break even, there'll never be a sequel.

We already saw a decline in big singleplayer experiences and if they release, there are often tons of paid DLCs and MTAs. Yes publishers and developers also do this to make more profit, but the past (super steep discounts, only huge numbers during 5-10$ sales) is also a reason for that.
最後修改者:Termix; 2020 年 12 月 31 日 上午 3:28
^7ja^1co 2020 年 12 月 31 日 上午 4:04 
Well I am not too happy but I have already played almost everything Steam had to offer me...I am slowly moving away from gaming and focusing on other things in my life. I will be coming back when new cool games are released (Graven).
RASMU 2020 年 12 月 31 日 上午 5:05 
引用自 taki
i can not get crards from Steam Discovery Queue and it's saying "You've completed your queue and have unlocked 9 event trading cards!" but i got only 3-4 ;D
I got the same problem, pretty annoying.:steamsad::steamthumbsdown:
Plake 2020 年 12 月 31 日 上午 5:10 
引用自 JJDrakken
Some my stuff on my wishlist is broken atm also. I was hoping for at least 20% of Grounded. Rest stuff on there meh, maybe games.
This is a perfect example of how delusional some people are and why their wishlist is not showing any discounts... :steamfacepalm:

For reference:
Grounded is currently in EarlyAcces and obviously SHOULD NOT get a discount, as it's EA price already is a discount, compared to the price it will have once released!
crunchyfrog 2020 年 12 月 31 日 上午 9:06 
引用自 Oleg
引用自 markushausner
Well this time Steam Winter Sale is a bit disappointing.
Reasons:
- only one card per day while clicking through the listings
- no mini games
- stickers only one per 2 days
- no rewards while playing your own games (e. g. like in the summer sales 2018)
- no additional badge when solving mini games (like the winter sales before)
- additional badges can only be collected when buying games
very sad because winter sale seemed to be a highlight during the last years.

What do other users think ?
Completely agree wiith this post, most of the poeple in this thread complained about the price level of games, the developper set that price level so there is nothing I can say or complain concerning that part. But I would rather point out the part that steam can influence and that is creating some incentve for buying the games which made it fun in previous years to buy them (same as the summer sale). I miss the steam sales that included some real effort from Valves side. I know that the summer sale 2019 was really criticized, but I really liked it. The thing is rather than trying to fix some stuff in the sales ( that sale was not perfect and had a lot of flaws) and fixing the issues it just ends up with having kind of monotonous sales with just the points in the point shop.

Valve CANNOT influence like you seem to think.

They can and do, recommend a certain price point, but this is mostly for new devs who are inexperienced.

If they suggested a price that was out of the bounds of what the publisher wanted, they'd simply go "nah" and continue, or worse still go elsewhere.

And why should a publisher bow down to someone when they're trying to create some sort of parity across many platforms? That would destroy their projections and probably create unnecessary bother.
FoFanner 2020 年 12 月 31 日 上午 9:26 
The Best Steam Sale Ever is Your First Steam Sale Ever.
Oleg 2020 年 12 月 31 日 上午 9:33 
引用自 crunchyfrog
引用自 Oleg
Completely agree wiith this post, most of the poeple in this thread complained about the price level of games, the developper set that price level so there is nothing I can say or complain concerning that part. But I would rather point out the part that steam can influence and that is creating some incentve for buying the games which made it fun in previous years to buy them (same as the summer sale). I miss the steam sales that included some real effort from Valves side. I know that the summer sale 2019 was really criticized, but I really liked it. The thing is rather than trying to fix some stuff in the sales ( that sale was not perfect and had a lot of flaws) and fixing the issues it just ends up with having kind of monotonous sales with just the points in the point shop.

Valve CANNOT influence like you seem to think.

They can and do, recommend a certain price point, but this is mostly for new devs who are inexperienced.

If they suggested a price that was out of the bounds of what the publisher wanted, they'd simply go "nah" and continue, or worse still go elsewhere.

And why should a publisher bow down to someone when they're trying to create some sort of parity across many platforms? That would destroy their projections and probably create unnecessary bother.
I just said it is not about the price but about the part that vavlve did not put any effort into the sale.
crunchyfrog 2020 年 12 月 31 日 上午 9:39 
引用自 Oleg
引用自 crunchyfrog

Valve CANNOT influence like you seem to think.

They can and do, recommend a certain price point, but this is mostly for new devs who are inexperienced.

If they suggested a price that was out of the bounds of what the publisher wanted, they'd simply go "nah" and continue, or worse still go elsewhere.

And why should a publisher bow down to someone when they're trying to create some sort of parity across many platforms? That would destroy their projections and probably create unnecessary bother.
I just said it is not about the price but about the part that vavlve did not put any effort into the sale.

Oh in that case, I apologise. I misunderstood.

But have they actually not put in appropriate effort?

You do have to take a step back and look at the big picture here. NO company worth thier salt tries to beat each sale or event year on year - that's a recipe for suicide.

But more than this - why go on an overblown example when many people in the world are out of work currently or locked down? That includes Valve staff too.

So in that regard alone, is it any wonder really?
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