Serendipity 2020 年 12 月 12 日 上午 6:41
Unfinished Games in Store
Is anyone else like me getting fed up with the number of games developers are churning out for sale that are not finished?

Going through my queue and browsing the store I have noticed there are more and more games coming out in episodes with months or longer in-between each one or even worse maybe never to be finished.
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引用自 susanmel
Is anyone else like me getting fed up with the number of games developers are churning out for sale that are not finished?

Going through my queue and browsing the store I have noticed there are more and more games coming out in episodes with months or longer in-between each one or even worse maybe never to be finished.


Same things with books in stores and e-books. There have been many that never finished, because the author passed away.

That is one reason I don't buy a game or book until the final one has been released.

And Early Access games until the game has been fully released.
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Roland Schultz 2020 年 12 月 12 日 下午 4:52 
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引用自 Roland Schultz
It's the new paradigm with an old message; "Buyer beware." I got refunded after trying 2 early access games this year...and have learned my lesson. I will never try an early access game again and have concluded for myself that it is a bad policy. What bugs me more though, is that whenever anybody complains about unfairness, abuse, vulgarity, scams, etc. in these forums there are more people who say, "ignore it and move on" than those who will condemn the wrong. Welcome to the decline of civilization.
See my Dec. 2 discussion "What do you think about 'early release' games?" under Steam Discussions for some insightful comments on this issue.

you are still complaining about Early Access Games while you also still ignore all the warning on Early Access Games..

Yep thats the decline of civilization..
Who is ignoring the warnings? I can read as well an anybody. But I see you cannot read. See "what bugs me more...?" I was intrigued by this idea that I might have some chance to give feedback to a creative process...and then realized they didn't care for any feedback from me. I tried EA twice and couldn't believe a developer would try to pass off such crap and saw that the same things I was telling them about had been told to them 2 years before. They wanted feedback? Really? I wasn't ripped off because I was refunded. I just think its a bad policy and is a trend toward letting companies take advantage of people. Companies always want more deregulation and will get away with anything they can get away with. But I guess you're ok with that. All you guys say is "I wouldn't get an EA game, but people who want them should get them." I guess you don't care about all those people who get excited over a new game and can't wait til it comes out and then can't get a refund because they fiddled with it beyond 2 hours.
I believe in certain standards. You don't. You folks are in favor of everything goes. I'm not. And that really seems to bug you. Why is that? Do you feel like I'm taking away your freedom? You don't believe that people should be protected from scams?
Fiona the Gamer 2020 年 12 月 12 日 下午 10:44 
Not to mention some Early Access games are left unfinished due to developers bounced on ( abandon ) the project and left many customers salty ( upset ).
Ganger 2020 年 12 月 13 日 上午 2:57 
I don't believe it's even a issue to be honest. As the person with the power to buy or not, don't touch games that are half-finish, asset flips, games released in episodes or early access titles.

Valve seems not to care about all these types of games on their store, why should we.
Ganger 2020 年 12 月 13 日 上午 3:02 
引用自 davidb11
Anyone who complains about Early Access games is literally being silly.
THere's too much of a warning about them to ever claim a scam.

This, many gamers don't read or understand what early access is and get angry when the game they bought doesn't work too well. I remember one of the first games to release on EA, ARM 3.

People complained to high heaven how this game was a scam, threatening to sue to the developers, threatening to sue valve and all that nonsense. Many even claimed not knowing it was a early access beta despite the store page warning of such.

Even now over on the cyberpunk forums, people claiming cyberpunk is a scam.
Crazy Tiger 2020 年 12 月 13 日 上午 3:09 
引用自 Roland Schultz
I guess you don't care about all those people who get excited over a new game and can't wait til it comes out and then can't get a refund because they fiddled with it beyond 2 hours.
Why should I? If other people can't control their urges, that's not my issue.

引用自 Roland Schultz
I believe in certain standards.
So do I. One of them being that people take responsibility for their own decisions. Early Access games are clearly marketed as unfinished games, there are reviews and a game hub full of information. When people consciously make the decision to purchase an unfinished game, I expect them to own up to that decision. I also expect them to manage their expectations. If it wasn't their cup of tea, they can simply refund the game if eligible, or keep it around.

I've purchased various Early Access games and all were good purchases. Heck, some of them were in their Early Access state a much more polished game than many games that released directly as "finished" (Look at Cyberpunk currently). I steer clear of the ones that look like a trainwreck, I have games on my wishlist that got out of Early Access years ago and still aren't up to par for me.

You focus too much on the label (early access) and too little on the content. I've always highlighted the Early Access period of games like Slay the Spire and Streets of Rogue. Both did regular game updates, but more importantly news updates. They communicated well with the players. You knew exactly where they were in the process and where they aimed to go.
You got burned twice, which is a shame, but it might simply be because you picked two bad actors. And now you want to condemn the whole program, even though that program has been around for nearly 10 years and produced many succesful games.

引用自 Roland Schultz
You folks are in favor of everything goes.
I'm not. there are various things in the industries, like lootboxes and certain types of microtransactions, that I severely dislike. Yet others do like it.

引用自 Roland Schultz
Do you feel like I'm taking away your freedom?
I believe in choice, even if they're things that I don't like. People who aren't me exist, why should they be limited in purchasing things they like simply because I don't?

引用自 Roland Schultz
You don't believe that people should be protected from scams?
People throw the word "scam" around so much, it has lost its meaning. There isn't an actual scam in Early Access games. You get what you purchase, an unfinished games. Anything beyond that, the "promises", is not part of the deal. People who purchase a game on promises are only fooling themselves, in a way they "scam" themselves.

There may be the sentiment that something feels like a scam, that doesn't make it one, though. Besides, game creators like Peter Molyneux have been doing the "I promise but fail to deliver" part for decades now, even longer than Early Access is around. It's inherent to a creative industry.
Ganger 2020 年 12 月 13 日 上午 3:13 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
引用自 Roland Schultz
I guess you don't care about all those people who get excited over a new game and can't wait til it comes out and then can't get a refund because they fiddled with it beyond 2 hours.
Why should I? If other people can't control their urges, that's not my issue.

I agree with Crazy Tiger on this one, what other people do with their money is not of my concern or problem. People on steam know steams 2 hour refund time, many choose to ignore this and then blame everyone else apart from themselves.
Serendipity 2020 年 12 月 13 日 上午 6:32 
引用自 Roland Schultz
It's the new paradigm with an old message; "Buyer beware." I got refunded after trying 2 early access games this year...and have learned my lesson. I will never try an early access game again and have concluded for myself that it is a bad policy. What bugs me more though, is that whenever anybody complains about unfairness, abuse, vulgarity, scams, etc. in these forums there are more people who say, "ignore it and move on" than those who will condemn the wrong. Welcome to the decline of civilization.
See my Dec. 2 discussion "What do you think about 'early release' games?" under Steam Discussions for some insightful comments on this issue.

Sorry could not find that post.
Gus the Crocodile 2020 年 12 月 13 日 上午 7:30 
Any game that gets a patch was by definition not finished.
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